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CDC & Glantz "... Making up scientific evidence." (Siegel)

Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by PoliticallyIncorrect, Sep 30, 2013.

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  1. PoliticallyIncorrect

    PoliticallyIncorrect Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2010
  2. xhuffer

    xhuffer Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 21, 2011
    As the old saying goes "Figures lie & liars figure."
  3. TyPie

    TyPie Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 13, 2013
    New Joisey (aka NJ)
    Unfortunately, there is a long history of using / hiring medical people with letters after their name, not as 'experts' per se, but as ADVOCATES for some product or cause under the guise of being an 'expert'. Nothing particularly new under the sun here.
    An advocate is a paid shill, just as professional athletes are paid shills for endorsing a particular brand of sneakers.

    It is critical to understand where the funding for a given 'expert' is coming from, and to understand that the 'expert' DOES need to continually justify their existence (or else, they, AND the funding go away). The time has come, though, for people operating under and publicizing medical or scientific credentials as part of their statements and opinions to be held to a much higher standard, under LAW, than athletes advocating for a pair of sneakers. Medicine and science are simply too important, with the health and lives of untold numbers of people at stake.

    There have been medical 'quacks' and snake-oil salesmen for as long as there have been ailments. But one operating under the umbrella of medicine or science should be held fully accountable for the information that they spew.
  4. wheezal

    wheezal Insane Halon ECF Veteran

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    Aug 27, 2013
    Austin, Tx
    Remember the days of "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on T.V"? Then the testimonial carried more weight because it came from a confirmed pretend doctor.

    Those were good days, at least the deception was upfront and the lie was easy to spot. Ahhh, memories.
  5. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2010
    Unfortunately ...

    Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations.
    Thomas Jefferson
  6. Uma

    Uma Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 4, 2010
    It looks like Glantz has spent 10 bucks of the FDA's $20million prize money he's receiving for fabrication. Can't wait to see what the Sci place that was awarded $40million comes up with. Campfire stories at best. And then there's the rest of that $273 million bucks dispersed to other fabricators and FDA regulation experts.

    Not one dime goes to real science. Am I surprised? Not in the least.
  7. Uma

    Uma Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 4, 2010
    Edited because it didn't make sence in written form.

    Instead, I will pose questions.
    1. When were cigarettes introduced in packages of 20, readily and easily available?
    2. When was the CANCER CELL KILLER plant outlawed, banned, censored?
    3. When did the FDA begin?
    4. When did big Pharma begin?
    5. When did the letters about who, SG, others brainwashing summary appear?
    6. When did cancer become an overwhelming, overpopulated disease?
    7. When was epidemiology born, as we know it today? By who?
  8. DrMA

    DrMA Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 26, 2013
    Seattle area
    That's exactly right. All the "stakeholders" in this game stand a lot to lose from reduced use of tobacco including BT, BP and their cronies at the FDA, not to mention all the ANTZ and the conceited, elitist academics who fabricate "science" for them. Last, but not least, state and local budgets are also concerned with diminishing tax revenue. I hope nobody has any illusion those in power are concerned with the public's well being...

    Basically nobody but us, the vaping community have any interest in seeing the electronic revolution continue, so it's up to us to keep on fighting and pushing good science like the Burstyn study to the top.
  9. WarHawk-AVG

    WarHawk-AVG Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 27, 2013
    Wonder if that guy at the CDC was on the global warming scientific committee...I mean...climate change
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