Changing the unchangeable, is It possible?

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I have had such great success with vaping I would like to hear how you think I can help someone else. Namely my father. He has been smoking analogs forever (to me) probably 40+ years. He has tried to quit a few times, gum, acupuncture, ect. Thus far nothing has worked. He isn't real techy (I need to fix the tv or cable every so often). I feel he would really be a prime candidate for an e cigarette. The eGo/eVod worked wonders for me but I am looking for an almost foolproof plan before talking to him. Would an MVP box be a good choice? Maybe even a ProVari? I have recently heard of these ejuices that are WTA, maybe... alkaloid something.. not sure what the letters were. Would this help? He smokes KOOLS can anyone give me any recommendations? Help? Please? You all are awesome thanks a ton
 

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I have had such great success with vaping I would like to hear how you think I can help someone else. Namely my father. He has been smoking analogs forever (to me) probably 40+ years. He has tried to quit a few times, gum, acupuncture, ect. Thus far nothing has worked. He isn't real techy (I need to fix the tv or cable every so often). I feel he would really be a prime candidate for an e cigarette. The eGo/eVod worked wonders for me but I am looking for an almost foolproof plan before talking to him. Would an MVP box be a good choice? Maybe even a ProVari? I have recently heard of these ejuices that are WTA, maybe... alkaloid something.. not sure what the letters were. Would this help? He smokes KOOLS can anyone give me any recommendations? Help? Please? You all are awesome thanks a ton

He isn't real techie so you want to buy him a VV/VW device (MVP, Provari)? Give him an eVod or an eGo and a carto tank or something simple to use, if he needs help you do it for him see if he likes that. Last thing you want to do is spend 50-200 dollars on a device he'll never understand.
 

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You want simple

Mechanical mod that can run an 18650, put 18500's in it with a kick/kick2/crown behind it...let him vape his face off...when it stops firing..he pulls out the battery and kick/kick2/crown, tosses in a fresh charged battery and kick/kick2/crown behind it, puts discharged battery in charger...and vapes his face off...

kick/kick2/crown (even clones!) is a set it and forget it APV module that turns a simple push button mechanical mod into a VW APV...without the menus, buttons, options, confusion, hassle...all he has to do is pop a fresh battery in with the kick/kick2/crown behind it and he ready to rock and roll

Heck a BOLT from fasttech or madvapes, and a $18.99 kick/kick2/crown or clone and a few very good 18500's from RDT vapor w/ nitecore charger...and viola...
 
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I have had such great success with vaping I would like to hear how you think I can help someone else. Namely my father. He has been smoking analogs forever (to me) probably 40+ years. He has tried to quit a few times, gum, acupuncture, ect. Thus far nothing has worked. He isn't real techy (I need to fix the tv or cable every so often). I feel he would really be a prime candidate for an e cigarette. The eGo/eVod worked wonders for me but I am looking for an almost foolproof plan before talking to him. Would an MVP box be a good choice? Maybe even a ProVari? I have recently heard of these ejuices that are WTA, maybe... alkaloid something.. not sure what the letters were. Would this help? He smokes KOOLS can anyone give me any recommendations? Help? Please? You all are awesome thanks a ton

IMHO, I think you're on the right path with starting with the eGo/Evod route. I just went this way with my father who's getting into his 80's and smoked way before I was even born (and I remember when dirt was invented!). They're simple: charge, top, fill and VAPE! Using a CE style clearo will probably be the easiest topper fro a non-techy to deal with; either disposable or with replaceable heads. PBusardo just put out a new vid on You Tube and TasteYourJuice.com for the Aspire clearo. If it is as good as he says it is, this would be a good choice.

The ProVari's, VV, vv/vw, and VW mods are great for people when they get the hang of vaping. I know there are a lot of people out there that will say go for the best (Provari, Reo, etc.) first. However, they can be/are daunting and require a steep initial learning curve for most people in the golden years. The goal is not to frustrate, because they will just continue to smoke. Lets face it, smoking is EASY and quitting is hard. People continue to smoke because the alternatives (withdraws, devices, replacement therapies, etc.) are just too difficult to deal with. It's the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) method that most people live by. But, if you can offer a solution that is just as relatively simple and effective, then the decision becomes, "Do I keep killing myself with these cancer sticks or try this simple device that could save my life?" Take him to the local B&M you like and let him try out the devices they offer. Let him get a feel for them and discuss what appeals to him. It might be a Provari, eGo, or anything in between. Even then, some people might stay with analogs; It's their choice.

Once you have figured out the device and topper, chose an e-liquid that emulates the Kools he is use to. There are many menthol tobacco flavored e-liquids out there. Have a different flavor he might like (favored food, drink, etc.) to try out on hand also. I suggest that you buy the first bottle(s) to get him started. If you father is computer savvy enough to order on line, try Mt. Baker Vapor or Tasty Vapor. Mt. Baker is cheaper, but both are great companies. If he isn't computer savvy enough, offer for him to "piggyback" his orders on yours. If all else fails, go back to the local B&M where he can "test drive" them and figure out what he wants. At least a local store gets him out of the house once in a while to purchase more. I find that most people have a hard time looking at the internet and trying to decide what might works for them (Heck, I even get this wrong sometimes!).

The absolute most important thing is to just talk with him. Find out if he even wants to try a PVD. Invite him over to the house and let him try yours. Discover what he likes/dislikes/looking for and try to tailor a system around him. Vaping is an extremely subjective and individual sport. So, set him up to win from the get go!
 
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K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple, Son...don't get him anything that risks frustration and maybe he'll like it. My old man smoked Kools for 30 years and I'd bum one once in a while. I tried a strong menthol yesterday that was really close to what my old man used to puff. The favors are out there, he just has to do a little sampling.
 

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You want simple

Mechanical mod that can run an 18650, put 18500's in it with a kick/kick2/crown behind it...let him vape his face off...when it stops firing..he pulls out the battery and kick/kick2/crown, tosses in a fresh charged battery and kick/kick2/crown behind it, puts discharged battery in charger...and vapes his face off...

kick/kick2/crown (even clones!) is a set it and forget it APV module that turns a simple push button mechanical mod into a VW APV...without the menus, buttons, options, confusion, hassle...all he has to do is pop a fresh battery in with the kick/kick2/crown behind it and he ready to rock and roll

Heck a BOLT from fasttech or madvapes, and a $18.99 kick/kick2/crown or clone and a few very good 18500's from RDT vapor w/ nitecore charger...and viola...

Really????? That sounds simple to you? How many senior people know or even want to know of ohms law, or how to use it for the kick? Yea, you can just set it to taste, but without experience, how would he even know what those tastes are? Not to mention that most seniors tend to start having eye and hand coordination/agility problems. You try to use a micro screwdriver, while your hands are shaking, to set a kick, much less try to place it into a device. The best advise here is to start slow and work your way up to these options if the person wants to. Providing a simple, effective, and easy to use device will lead to better initial success than providing a great but fancy device that confuses them and they will never use.
 

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@ H.Hodges

Though I do agree with you on a good ego + clearo system I have seen people report that for some people new to vaping the form factor matters. In those cases a box mod like a MVP worked because it fit in a shirt pocket like a pack of smokes.

Just a thought :)

As long as the VV and other options on the MVP appeal to him, sure, absolutely! It's a "plug and play" device, just like an eGo, so he wouldn't have to mess with battery/charge options/hassles. But, in my experience, most older senior's don't want to learn something new or techy, they just want something that works! However, your point is just as valid as mine and much appreciated! :thumb:
 

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Never underestimate the knowledge and/or understanding of the "older" bunch...:) Some of us could explain Ohm's Law to a bunch of young whippersnappers without batting an eyelash.

The important thing is to motivate your dad into trying vaping as a viable alternative to smoking, and that is not going to be by disrespecting his intelligence and tastes! A good eGo, along with good quality clearos, would be a typical starting kit. A range of 18 mg liquids, not just menthol or tobacco, so he can decide what he likes.

It took me less than a month (I'm over 60 and with nearly 45 years of smoking in my life) to decide I wanted to try an iTaste, and from there, an MVP...but first I had to decide it was a viable choice...which it was :vapor:


The thread "older folks and vaping" has a lot of members with pretty good advice.
 

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Never underestimate the knowledge and/or understanding of the "older" bunch...:) Some of us could explain Ohm's Law to a bunch of young whippersnappers without batting an eyelash.

The important thing is to motivate your dad into trying vaping as a viable alternative to smoking, and that is not going to be by disrespecting his intelligence and tastes! A good eGo, along with good quality clearos, would be a typical starting kit. A range of 18 mg liquids, not just menthol or tobacco, so he can decide what he likes.

It took me less than a month (I'm over 60 and with nearly 45 years of smoking in my life) to decide I wanted to try an iTaste, and from there, an MVP...but first I had to decide it was a viable choice...which it was :vapor:


The thread "older folks and vaping" has a lot of members with pretty good advice.

Hey Mags, absolutely no disrespect to the experienced out there; as you ARE one of the "Queens of the Threads", and have my esteemed reverence! I'm no spring chicken myself! The OP specifically described his father as being non-techy. Just playing to the audience and trying to offer the best advise for the situation he presented!
 

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Really????? That sounds simple to you? How many senior people know or even want to know of ohms law, or how to use it for the kick? Yea, you can just set it to taste, but without experience, how would he even know what those tastes are? Not to mention that most seniors tend to start having eye and hand coordination/agility problems. You try to use a micro screwdriver, while your hands are shaking, to set a kick, much less try to place it into a device. The best advise here is to start slow and work your way up to these options if the person wants to. Providing a simple, effective, and easy to use device will lead to better initial success than providing a great but fancy device that confuses them and they will never use.
Well considering a eGo is unregulated...head resistances change from coil to coil, batteries voltage drops from 4.2vdc to 3.6vdc, wouldn't you think that turning the kick to 7 watts and just plopping it in wouldn't be easy and the vape is the same from first button push to the last one when it no longer fires because of built in overdischarge protection...considering the normal heads on eGo run I dunno 2~Ω's..right around 6-8 watts nominal?

Heck...his son would set it to 7 watts, then tell him...ok when the battery dies, just unscrew here, take the battery out and put it on the charger with this side here because if it's goes on backwards it could be bad, get the fresh battery, then put this thing in with the shiny metal post down and the new battery behind it...and screw it back shut...would he know the difference?

Keep it simple...tell him this goes here...that goes there...then put it in your mouth and push the button....done

I was never trying to tell him to show his father how to adjust it...once he sets it...done (aka the set it and forget it thing) plus with it being internal his father doesn't accidentally change settings or whatnot
 
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ego twist, 5 pack boge cartos, dekang menthol. and your in like flynt! and if it doesn't take,, it didn't cost ya much. good luck to your pops I hope it works out ,and vapelite sells everything really cheap $15 twist ,$5 carts,$ 2.99 10ml dk menthol $23 dollars you got him started.. good luck to you and your pops.(I tried to get my dad to quit ,and he did but it was too late he has empheseyema at 50yrs old)damn cigarettes they tell ya on the package that they will kill ya,, yet we still buy em? Thank god 4 ecigs
 

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Personally I think the most trouble free set up is an evod with an ego twist/spinner. He might not be tech savvy enough for a twist but I don't think regular egos work for most regular smokers (that could just be me though) because of the low voltage. You can leave his set to the lowest setting & if he isn't happy with it that low you can increase the voltage for him to something he likes. After that, once it runs out of power it's just a simple matter of plugging it in & screwing on a new one.

I use ego twists with evods & leave my twist set to 4v all the time & almost never change any of them except when I've built a coil that needs something different. But all my evod heads like to be at 4v.

Anyway, good luck & I hope he feels good about at least trying it out.
 

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Well considering a eGo is unregulated...head resistances change from coil to coil, batteries voltage drops from 4.2vdc to 3.6vdc, wouldn't you think that turning the kick to 7 watts and just plopping it in wouldn't be easy and the vape is the same from first button push to the last one when it no longer fires because of built in overdischarge protection...considering the normal heads on eGo run I dunno 2~Ω's..right around 6-8 watts nominal?

Heck...his son would set it to 7 watts, then tell him...ok when the battery dies, just unscrew here, take the battery out and put it on the charger, get the fresh battery, then put this thing in and the new battery behind it...and screw it back shut...would he know the difference?

Keep it simple...tell him this goes here...that goes there...then put it in your mouth and push the button....done

I was never trying to tell him to show his father how to adjust it...once he sets it...done (aka the set it and forget it thing) plus with it being internal his father doesn't accidentally change settings or whatnot

I do respect your opinion WarHawk, but after just going through a similar situation with my 84 year old father, I'll have to respectfully disagree. My father was an airline pilot for 40 years; I think he might understand some techie stuff sine it enveloped most of his life. However, even his eyes glazed over when I started explaining APV's. The most important thing is to get people off analogs, which ever way works best for them.

By the way, eGo's do have a regulated version: eGo Twist.
 
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Ego is the way to go with a flavor you know he will like .
Tell him to just play with it ( he don't need to quit and let things go as they will )
Men like toys too lol
He will come to you for more info
So many friends and family have quit with out any push from me - just a free ego and a bit of juice and they vape away lol
 

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Whatever you get him, make sure it is something YOU understand completely. If he has any problems, you will be the one that will have to figure out what is going on.

I wouldn't spend the money on a Provari at first, unless you want it if he didn't take to vaping ;)

My personal opinion? Some kind of PV that you can switch a battery out. I don't know what a good cheaper PV would be. Older people get that concept of rechargeable batteries :laugh: Set him up with a couple of good batteries and the correct charger for those batteries. The PV is the easy part, it's the delivery system that gives the most trouble. Whatever you do get, it needs to be something that you have good knowledge with.
 

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If someone can operate a TV remote control, they can operate a reasonably well designed APV. A Spinner, Twist even a Vamo is as easy to operate as changing channels or adjusting the volume.

I have to program the remotes for my elderly mother and my elderly in-laws. But once I do, they do just fine. My mother smokes a pack of Doral Ultra Lights a day. She doesn't want to quit and is in reasonably good health for someone approaching 80. She will probably die as a smoker rather than from being a smoker. My in-laws both quit cold turkey two years ago.
 

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I'd suggest a couple of Spinners, so one can charge while he's using the other. And at least two Evods, so he can have different flavors going at the same time.

Learning curve on the Spinner is easy - start low, vape. Not enough? Turn it up a bit and vape. Repeat until happy. Of course, the same is true for any VV / VW, but you can get him two Spinners for the price of an MVP, with the bonus of a backup. The tube form may be more akin to smoking for him, although the "box of smokes in the shirt pocket" feel of the MVP also has merit.

Juice - both flavor and nic level - will be as (more?) important. Can't help with any menthol flavors, but you might also consider some that aren't tobacco at all. Many are surprised that way!

When I started vaping, at 64 and after nearly 50 years on cigs, 18 was too low, my next purchase was 24 and I was a happy vaper. Nic can be reduced later, it's important to get the physical side covered, along with the psych side! Not that you should start him at a high level, necessarily, but just something to keep in mind if he's not satisfied with the vape.
 
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