In just about any field there are folk who just want a simple bit of do-the-job kit and there are those who like to explore further. And how anyone spends their money is up to them, so no problem.
Cheap mode vs expensive thing, or why I do not need Provary (or DNA, if you will)
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I really hate these threads, they are pointless. They are usually started by someone who wants conformation about a choice they have already made. The results are about the same as a dog chasing its tail, they go round and round until they get tired then lay down and go back to sleep. Happy tail chasing, I'll be moving along now.
There is always the person that wants high-end piece after high-end piece and they will defend their reasoning until they are blue in the face. I have a good mix of both, and my everyday carry is the eVic. Not the Supreme, just the eVic. I love it. I have mechs, I have VV/VW, I have DNA30s, I even have an Ego with a sticker for stealth mode. They all have their perks. Another guy here in my office was a 2 pack a day smoker for many many years. Last summer he went and bought an Ego starter kit at lunch one day, and hasn't had a cigarette since then. Guess what he uses now... and Ego with an Evod on top of it. He never even stepped up to an Ego twist.
He loves it, it works for him. That is what matters, finding out what works for you to keep you off the smokes! Have fun and happy vaping!
I agree , I have spent much hours and money on stuff that's now in a drawer not being used . My go to pleasure vape is a 900 ego-c batt and a Boge Ce-5 clearo with a little chrome drip tip . It works , it vapes great at the right temp , it holds only 1.6 mils ( enough for me as I like to change the flavores frequently ) . I have bigger capacity clearos and they vape good but either it's just to much and I end up wasting juice or other things I just didn't like . I have thought about a vv ego , mods are not very interesting to me . Keeping it simple for me is the way and I'm happy with it . I plug in my phone at night so I see no differance in also recharging one of my egos at night to be ready for tomarrow . Enjoy what makes you happy is what I say .
In my defence and the defence of other low resistance vapors, a .9 coil is most definitely NOT excessive vaping as you so kindly put it.. many people perfer not to be LIMITED to a 1.1 or above coil. Especially those who make their own coils. You are most definitely mistaken if you see a .9 build as "excessive" vaping. I vape to not smoke, nor am I a cloud chaser, but some days I want and perfer to run a lower resistance coil with out the LIMITATIONS some devices as your said device has. I'm a person who simply enjoys a lower resistance coil. This in itself , does NOT in any way constitute me as you put it, a "excessive" vapor... you might care to expand your horizon a bit before you start labeling others. I simply pointed out a few LIMITATIONS your said device has as compared to the other said devices. And believe it or not, those limitations are bothersome to some people. We are all different in our needs and that's ok. But respectfully, I must say I would most certainly not call it excessive! !
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From a newbie standpoint:
I personally want a middle of the road unit for casual carry first and foremost. I agree that most of the time, you get a high % of the options that the more expensive stuff has for a lot less $. With that said; if I drop the stupid thing and have to buy another one, I wouldn't feel as bad. Of course, it would bother me a little, but it wouldn't be as bad as dropping a $100-$300 unit. Having most of the power and options would have a better chance at keeping me in the game. I wouldn't feel bad about "taking a $50-$60 chance" of not liking vaping in lieu of "analogs". So from a newbie standpoint of a person who wants to quit smoking; this type of thinking looks more promising. Now, the engineer in me, plans to vape on this "middle of the road" unit while planning on getting a higher end mod or even a build of my own in the near future. To me, units should be suggested in 3 classes:
Lower end = <$30 for kick around units, or people who are VERY unsure about vaping. Of course most of these are stepping stones to something better.
Middle of the road = $50-$75 for the more serious beginners, or just a better kick around upgrade
Higher end = $100+ for the more serious vapers and/or hobbyist and just pure vaping enjoyment.
*Of course, the dollar amounts and descriptions above are from a newbie standpoint, but that is what we are talking about here.....a newbie standpoint.
With the above statements in mind; I will quote what a friend of mine told me (the one who started me on the vaping/quitting analog quest). "Just do it! Buy something! Buy anything! It don't matter what it is. Whatever you can afford! Just do it! Stop slowly killing yourself! Vape now! You won't regret it!".
I personally want a middle of the road unit for casual carry first and foremost. I agree that most of the time, you get a high % of the options that the more expensive stuff has for a lot less $. With that said; if I drop the stupid thing and have to buy another one, I wouldn't feel as bad. Of course, it would bother me a little, but it wouldn't be as bad as dropping a $100-$300 unit. Having most of the power and options would have a better chance at keeping me in the game. I wouldn't feel bad about "taking a $50-$60 chance" of not liking vaping in lieu of "analogs". So from a newbie standpoint of a person who wants to quit smoking; this type of thinking looks more promising. Now, the engineer in me, plans to vape on this "middle of the road" unit while planning on getting a higher end mod or even a build of my own in the near future. To me, units should be suggested in 3 classes:
Lower end = <$30 for kick around units, or people who are VERY unsure about vaping. Of course most of these are stepping stones to something better.
Middle of the road = $50-$75 for the more serious beginners, or just a better kick around upgrade
Higher end = $100+ for the more serious vapers and/or hobbyist and just pure vaping enjoyment.
*Of course, the dollar amounts and descriptions above are from a newbie standpoint, but that is what we are talking about here.....a newbie standpoint.
With the above statements in mind; I will quote what a friend of mine told me (the one who started me on the vaping/quitting analog quest). "Just do it! Buy something! Buy anything! It don't matter what it is. Whatever you can afford! Just do it! Stop slowly killing yourself! Vape now! You won't regret it!".
It's all relative. Like you said, the Provari has better build quality and is much higher priced. Also, like others have stated, Vamo uses Pulse Width Modulation compared to a flat rate current. I am a big vamo user, and I haven't had any problems with the circuitry or the PWM. The rattlesnake I've only experienced when using very thin wire that heats and cools quickly, or if the wick is fairly dry. at 28 gauge or lower, I don't notice any rattlesnake issue at all. Even with the rattlesnake sound, it still provides a good vape.
As far as the build quality of the Vamo, there has only been two negative issues with it. One, is the rubber grommet insulating the center pin... it does wear out over time. Because of that, I had juice get into the circuitry. I did have to take it apart, fassion a new grommet myself, and put it back together (including soldiering). The only other second issue I've had, is that the 510 connector sits ell above the collar, so attys don't sit flush. That's a minor thing, but it is pretty bad on the Vamo V5.
Possible things to be aware of with the vamo, is that the 510 threads are brass, and thus soft. you have to be careful with the threading, and don't stress them. Second, there is vastly more support and devices for a Provari. There's little add on's you can get for the Vamo. And lastly, the plus and minus buttons are fairly close to the firing button. I have accidentally changed the voltage up a few times picking it up without being aware. The Provari uses one button, so in order to change the voltage, you'd have to go through a complex sequence of button pressing.
Between the two, I still think the Vamo is a better match for my tastes. It's price makes up for all the negative aspects of it. If the threads strip, you can simply buy another one. If I don't like the PWM, I use a mechanical. Two vamos + two mechanicals are still cheaper that one Provari.
Those are just my
I so agree ! Kinda doing the same started with a cheap twist then went spinniner vv thought thats what i was looking for then the mvp2, still looking
Hell, the Provari is on the low end of the price scale anymore, there are atomizers out there that cost more.
All depends on how you perceive "value". My eGo kit cost me $0.04/day and then went in the garbage. My Provari so far has cost me $0.06/day, but is still going strong. In the end the Provari will cost me less/day than the eGo.
My provari cost the same as three weeks worth of cigarettes, but has lasted me almost three years so far.
So all in all I would say a Provari is dirt cheap.
In the end however, price point is the last of my considerations. (well almost) Will it produce the vaping experience that I want is what matters.
All depends on how you perceive "value". My eGo kit cost me $0.04/day and then went in the garbage. My Provari so far has cost me $0.06/day, but is still going strong. In the end the Provari will cost me less/day than the eGo.
My provari cost the same as three weeks worth of cigarettes, but has lasted me almost three years so far.
So all in all I would say a Provari is dirt cheap.
In the end however, price point is the last of my considerations. (well almost) Will it produce the vaping experience that I want is what matters.
My next purchase will be a REO Grand, after I finish finding the juice that I am happy with, I have found about 10 quality organic juices I love , going to explore some more. Or start making my own. But I doubt I could make it as good as I want.
I still have my ego's vv,vision 2 spinner, vamo 3, and all the protanks. Getting along with them well, and they are tough, because I have dropped every one of them many times on my shop cement floor,still going strong. Today I dropped my vamo3,, with a areotank on top and the tank was cocked a lil, or really alot sideways! I simple pulled it back straight, still works great.
I still have my ego's vv,vision 2 spinner, vamo 3, and all the protanks. Getting along with them well, and they are tough, because I have dropped every one of them many times on my shop cement floor,still going strong. Today I dropped my vamo3,, with a areotank on top and the tank was cocked a lil, or really alot sideways! I simple pulled it back straight, still works great.
I say get the ProVari. I wasted a couple hundred dollars trying different vv batteries and cheap mods (Smoktech SID). I kept wanting better. I got my Provari and am happy. I found my setup. I actually showed a friend who wants to quit all my stuff and let him try it. He actually ordered a ProVari as his first e-cig because of the quality and consistency when he compared my stuff.
Frankly I wish someone had steered me toward a ProVari from the start. It would have saved me a lot of money.
Frankly I wish someone had steered me toward a ProVari from the start. It would have saved me a lot of money.
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Unless I'm mistaken JimzDogz, if your avatar is true then you don't have a tail to chase, non ?
Otherwise, you are correct, happy tail chasing, all.
Otherwise, you are correct, happy tail chasing, all.
I started with clearo tanks and a Vision Spinner. It was a good starter setup. I moved on to the Vamo and a carto tank setup. I ended up buying three Vamo V5s before I took the plunge and bought a ProVari. I wanted a mod that would last. I wanted something that gave a better vaping experience. Ans I truly feel like that is exactly what I got with the ProVari. It feels better in my hand. It gives me the exact hit I want every time. For me, it just works perfectly. It may not be for everyone, but it works for me. Sure, I could just keep replacing Vamos every three months, or I could spend a bit more and have a unit that was consistent and reliable. There is a huge deference in quality, IMHO. I am fortunate that I am able to afford to spend the money on it. But even at the $180 I spent for it, it's cheaper than the $200 a month I was spending on cigarettes. 
I bought my first Vamo after I had bought my first Provari. At first I wondered why I did that. (Granted, it was on sale ...)
Then I found that the Vamo, with its three button menu and rattlesnake effect, was actually quite nice for testing and dry burning my super-ohm builds on. Also nice to have a mod that I can afford to lose without beating myself up about it.
Then I found that the Vamo, with its three button menu and rattlesnake effect, was actually quite nice for testing and dry burning my super-ohm builds on. Also nice to have a mod that I can afford to lose without beating myself up about it.
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Back in the old days.....2009 when I first started vaping, started with Greensmokes....ick! Then went to egos, then to vv box mods, then to Provari. This was a natural progression as my vaping education and needs, were evolving, and these were all the new devices as they were developed. That being said, I would recommend a vv3 or mvp2 to someone with Aero or T3D tank at this time. Inexpensive devices that usually give a full vaping experience. For on the go I use vv3's. I still use my Provari's at home. I have 2 of them and they have performed seamlessly for 2 and 3 yrs respectively.
and if you happen to drop/loose your Provari, its an expensive loss... if you loose the vamo price ranged item, the loss isnt quite so disheartening....
I had a near dread experience on the bus the other day... (warning; the following story is not for the feint of heart)... 8-o I stepped out of the bus, and grabbed for my ProVari to have a vape... it was not there. I quickly searched all my other pockets, no PV. I sprinted back to the bus, which luckily was still there, waiting at a red light. Flailed my arms at the driver, who let me in. Wild-eyed I explained that I had lost something. He told me to be quick about it, so I leapt to the seat I'd been using, on my arms and knees, looked under the seat, looked under the next seat, scanned the whole floor, nothing ... peeked into the nearest trash bin, starting to panic!! ... then I found it neatly lying in the middle of the seat.
Dived out of the bus as the light turned green, clutching my PV with white knuckles. Then I chain vaped until my heart rate dropped below 850 bpm, thanked the universe, and went about my day. Now I don't leave the bus anymore without holding a firm grip around my PV.
If it had been my Vamo, I'm not sure if I would have been quick enough. Money saved?
Dived out of the bus as the light turned green, clutching my PV with white knuckles. Then I chain vaped until my heart rate dropped below 850 bpm, thanked the universe, and went about my day. Now I don't leave the bus anymore without holding a firm grip around my PV.
If it had been my Vamo, I'm not sure if I would have been quick enough. Money saved?
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