Cheap mode vs expensive thing, or why I do not need Provary (or DNA, if you will)

[Auxx]

I learned my lesson in the mountain bike world. Going cheap ends up costing more in the long run with broken parts and crappy rides. High end gear usually gives a better experience for a longer amount of time. It ends up costing less in the long run.

Well, I'm a mountain biker myself for more than five years now. And I disagree with you. Cheap components are crap, no questions, but high end components are crap too, because they made to withstand one race. Fox Talas for example. Easy to break, very hard to fix. And through the years they leaked, worn kashima down like a sandpaper and so on and on. High end super lightweight chains may cost a fortune, but they wear out after only 1000 km. Lol wut? And carbon frames became strong enough only in recent years, back in the late 90-s and eary 2000-s they were snapping like crackers.

One thing I learned is that middle end components are the best: they provide a lot better than low end components experience, yet they last a lot longer than high end stuff. No way I'm throwing away my hard earned cash at high end bling in vaping.

 

[realsis]

Besides what has already been explained, which I agree with about better quality, different delivery, better chip, ect. I'm going to speak from my own experience. I wish someone would have recommended a better device for me from the beginning and it would have saved me a lot of money searching for a better vape without the LIMITATIONS the lower end mods have. A example would be my husband used to use the vamo, it wouldn't run a coil lower than a 1.0. Which frus t e rated him to no end.also it could not be set in increments of 1. He and I both use the DNA 30 devices now. But not before going through about 10 other devices . Like ego, vamo, ego twist, spinner, spinner 2, mvp2, ect. We were searching for a bit more. We wanted more wattage, ability to vape and turn the watts up in increments of 1, we wanted to be able to run a .9 coil. We wanted something that would last a bit longer.if someone would have recommended a device from the start without the limitations we could have saved a lot of trouble. So i must respectfully disagree with your statement that the devices like vamo are the same. They most certainly are NOT. And they have limitations the other said devices do NOT have. So much more can be done with those "other" devices. I hope you understand now. I don't want to sound rude and sencerily hope I don't but know the devices and their limitations before you make a claim that they are the same. Because they are not the same. They don't have the limitations that the vamo has...that said, I'm not in any way putting the vamo down. I think if it makes you happy and your satisfied then that's all that matters. But if you insist on comparing it, I felt it was important to bring up the limitations it has compared to the other said devices.in the long run, use what makes you happy, but don't make claims that just are not true. This is very petty because what really matters is if your device makes you happy and performs the way you want it to. I do hope I've answered your question and explained it in a respectful way so you understand now the differences. I wish you the best.

 

[Alien Traveler]

And they have limitations the other said devices do NOT have.

The only limitation you really mentioned is that it is not a low resistance device, but for me low resistance is definite NO-NO. I strongly believe excessive vaping is not good for health.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Excessive vaping? What's that?

 

[Alien Traveler]

Expensive vs. not expensive is purely a function of how much dough you've got to spend.

No. It is a multivariable function. And amount of dough is only one of variables.

If you can afford it, why wouldn't you go with the higher quality experience?

Because there are other variables, like willingness to spend on other things, common sense, etc.

High end gear ... ends up costing less in the long run.

OK. Suppose we have two identical cars with one big difference: build quality, i.e. longevity. Cheaper one costs $30,000 and lasts for 10 years. Second car is $180,000 and will run for 120 years. Suppose I can afford both of them, but being a sane person I will never pay for riding for 110 years in outdated car.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Excessive vaping? What's that?

Excessive - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Alien Traveler]

Wow! I expected to be torn apart and instead got a lot of well-balanced answers. May be I was wrong in my original assumptions, maybe I was wrong but not by much, but anyway my respect for humanity was noticeably improved. Thanks a lot!

 

[GMayberry]

There is always the person that wants high-end piece after high-end piece and they will defend their reasoning until they are blue in the face. I have a good mix of both, and my everyday carry is the eVic. Not the Supreme, just the eVic. I love it. I have mechs, I have VV/VW, I have DNA30s, I even have an Ego with a sticker for stealth mode. They all have their perks. Another guy here in my office was a 2 pack a day smoker for many many years. Last summer he went and bought an Ego starter kit at lunch one day, and hasn't had a cigarette since then. Guess what he uses now... and Ego with an Evod on top of it. He never even stepped up to an Ego twist.

He loves it, it works for him. That is what matters, finding out what works for you to keep you off the smokes! Have fun and happy vaping!

 

[Asbestos4004]

Allen, I'm extremely relieved that you weren't trying to start a flame war. My initial reaction to your thread was obviously inaccurate. Thanks to you, I now realize that my expensive stuff was a waste of money. Also, thank you for clearing up the debate over the dangers of "excessive vaping". I walk away from this humbled, yet wiser. Hoping you have a wonderful day!

 

[Alien Traveler]

Allen, I'm extremely relieved that you weren't trying to start a flame war. My initial reaction to your thread was obviously inaccurate. Thanks to you, I now realize that my expensive stuff was a waste of money.

I apologize for not delivering my thought more clearly. For you your staff is definitely right. For me – not. I just do not see how more expensive battery holder can improve my vaping experience. You see, if I (with all my skepticism) will anyway buy provari, most probably I will see no difference with vamo and will have a bad case of buyer’s remorse. Do I need it?

Also, thank you for clearing up the debate over the dangers of "excessive vaping". I walk away from this humbled, yet wiser. Hoping you have a wonderful day!

You are very welcome. Have a wonderful weekend.

 

[djames6282]

Im perfectly fine in my infancy of vaping with a middle of the road product. I am currently using an Innokin SVD with a Nautilus tank. I get decent vape production, decent flavor, etc..
For me it was a great starting point and I will use my SVD until it dies. Certaintly I want to step it up now into RDAs, because I think building will be fun. Ive rebuilt a few Aspire BDCs already...so I think RDAs will be awesome...but if im vaping with a clearomizer/glassomizer (whatever you want to call it), I will stick with my SVD. It was reasonably priced, works well, VV/VW, and does exactly what it is supposed to do. I cant justify spending more for something similar. I said SIMILAR, not exact...so dont crucify me. Haha.
My opinion, middle of the road is fine. I have tried my buddies lower end devices and I cant say I was impressed. He finally decided to step it up to a VV/VW device too.

 

[porkchop_express]

One thing I learned is that middle end components are the best: they provide a lot better than low end components experience, yet they last a lot longer than high end stuff. No way I'm throwing away my hard earned cash at high end bling in vaping.

I think this is the magic zone right here. Mid tier components typically give %90 of top tier performance, for %50 of the price. This is true in pretty much any scene.

Even then, I wouldn't recommend an IPV or Cana to a beginner unless they want those specific features. I recommend the VV3 most of the time, or MVP2 if they dont mind the box shape.

 

[JimzDogz]

I would refute the claim that Provari is an expensive device. Actually when compared to other mods of similar quality and functionality it's actually very reasonably priced. But, I'm comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges like you have. Compare Provari to other USA, or European manufactured devices and you'll quickly realize that it is middle of the road in price. It's not as cheap as the Chinese clones and knock off, but everyone here has agreed they don't provide the reliability and consistency of a Provari. Compared to a Zen, Hana Modz, or Semovar Mod and you'll see a Provari is a great value.

 

[yzer]

Look here to read about about the strengths and weaknesses of various APVs. Looking at the first several pages of posts is an education and will dispel a lot of myths about some of the more popular APVs.

Variable Voltage APV Discussion

Many recommendations made by famous video reviewers are out of date and based upon old equipment. Nonetheless, new vapers follow these recommendations without question with lemming-like devotion.

 

[danfinger]

Well, I'm a mountain biker myself for more than five years now. And I disagree with you. Cheap components are crap, no questions, but high end components are crap too, because they made to withstand one race. Fox Talas for example. Easy to break, very hard to fix. And through the years they leaked, worn kashima down like a sandpaper and so on and on.

I've been mountain biking in SF Bay Area since 1987. Rode Mt. Tam on a coaster brake cruiser. My chris king headsets would beg to differ. My XTR anything would also give a hearty guffaw. I've had the same XTR derailleur on my 1991 Zaskar since it rolled out of the store. Decades of abuse and easily 20k miles on it. I've gone through dozens of ACS freewheels but do you know how many white industries freewheels I've had to replace? ZERO. In fact I've got one of those FW's on my polo bike that has been in action longer than your 'five years'!

High end super lightweight chains may cost a fortune, but they wear out after only 1000 km. Lol wut?
And carbon frames became strong enough only in recent years, back in the late 90-s and eary 2000-s they were snapping like crackers.

well, I'd say this is where the rule of 2 comes into play, "Light, strong or inexpensive. Pick 2."

One thing I learned is that middle end components are the best: they provide a lot better than low end components experience, yet they last a lot longer than high end stuff. No way I'm throwing away my hard earned cash at high end bling in vaping.

Well that's your choice, and using the OP's example, I wouldn't call the Provari 'bling' per se. It's high end certainly, but it is more of a king headset than a cane creek.

I dropped my Provari on concrete last night and didn't even blink. The thing is a tank, and that's why I paid more and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to someone else.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I have low end, middle end and high end. I like them all and I piffed everything I don't like. There's nothing wrong with any of it. If you like it and it works, awesome.
Just an observation, most who own provaris don't start a thread just to belittle cheaper equipment or to ridicule more expensive equipment. Price wise, its nowhere near the top of the heap. Performance and quality wise, its definitely up there. When people try to say its a waste, or outdated or limited....people stick up for it. I like my provaris, but I have stuff that I use way more. I don't really care what anyone else buys.

 

[Weizenheimer]

I would refute the claim that Provari is an expensive device. Actually when compared to other mods of similar quality and functionality it's actually very reasonably priced. But, I'm comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges like you have. Compare Provari to other USA, or European manufactured devices and you'll quickly realize that it is middle of the road in price. It's not as cheap as the Chinese clones and knock off, but everyone here has agreed they don't provide the reliability and consistency of a Provari. Compared to a Zen, Hana Modz, or Semovar Mod and you'll see a Provari is a great value.

Let me compare apples to Osage oranges and say that I would refute the claim that a Provari is an expensive device to anyone who has had a PAD+ cigarette habit.

 

[yzer]

Let me compare apples to Osage oranges and say that I would refute the claim that a Provari is an expensive device to anyone who has had a PAD+ cigarette habit.

I agree. And will add by extension that the two Sigelei Zmax V3s and the Sigelei Zmax V5 that I have been using for the last 15 months were not expensive and cost me a little less than one Provari.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Those zmaxs are pretty nice. Im thinking about buying one for a friend. V1,2or3?

 

[yzer]

Sigelei Zmax V1 is discontinued. V2 is solid tube. V3 is telescopic tube. V5 is identical to V3 but adds these features for less than $10 more: cell phone charger, puff counter, a few additional display options and an additional line of information on the display when fired. V2, and V3 were upgraded late in 2013 to include the removable top cap and one-piece stainless steel 510/eGo threading introduced with V5.