they are both simple metal tubes, not much to screw up. Any machine shop could make one pretty easy I would imagine. I have used real $200+ mods and my $16 one hits just as hard, if not harder and feels just as strong if not stronger. I dont think the expensive metal tube will out last my cheaper priced same material metal tube. If they feel the need to charge outrageous prices for a metal tube thats their right.
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When exactly was that, particularly for Germany? Please show me an example of "cheap and unusable knock off" product that was actually made in Germany.
All of that was covered under "building, manufacturing" that I said DOES create wealth.
Nope, because value on paper is not real wealth, it's only a claim-check.
Indeed; in the first world such jobs have been almost entirely replaced by automation, and that's beginning to happen in even in China.
But that's not what this thread is about. It'a about "Clones". A clone is, at a minimum, an exact copy of someone else's design.
Japan was known as the place where you got crap for forever. Until the mid to late 80's I would say based on what I've read/heard/seen when the companies from Japan that are famous now began putting out quality products. Germany's period was directly following the second World War. Kinda hard to put out quality goods when your country is in shambles. Examples? I'd have to google and I'm too lazy.
We can include everything the casino there brings to the table in building sure why not.
But trying to say that it's not real wealth because you can't see all of it right now is just... I live in Vegas. A city that would not exist if not for Casinos. The property value of our homes and our general wealth would drop to nearly nothing if they disappeared tomorrow.
If you want to get into the moral implications of copying something someone else created exactly and selling it as your own then we can do that. It's lazy and wrong. But the economic implications aren't nearly as bad as some would try and have everyone believe. That's all I was saying.
Love your avatar btw Rossum
This reminds me of when I was a tyke... everyone complained about 'Made in Japan'. People are still complaining about how unfair it is, trying to guilt-trip everyone, and not doing anything to actually improve the costs, quality, or legal issues.
If a business is being taken advantage of, they need to seek legal counsel. If a business has a 100% markup for an item, then they cater to a select few. I buy where and what I want, originals or clones, and I believe that there is no such thing as 'unfair' competition. You want a metal tube from a run of 500? Pay $400, it's your business. Just don't tell me that I can't buy the same metal tube, from the same low cost Chinese manufacturer, for $10 from a run of 20,000 - that's my business.
If a business is being taken advantage of, they need to seek legal counsel. If a business has a 100% markup for an item, then they cater to a select few. I buy where and what I want, originals or clones, and I believe that there is no such thing as 'unfair' competition. You want a metal tube from a run of 500? Pay $400, it's your business. Just don't tell me that I can't buy the same metal tube, from the same low cost Chinese manufacturer, for $10 from a run of 20,000 - that's my business.
That would be different than buying an iPhone (or really any other cell phone) how?
Phones & technology like this have improvements every year. So the buyer purchases the product knowing it's value will lower when the new version is released. And the longer the technology is out, the shorter the amount of time for the buyer to have the "latest version" of that product, thus there is also an understanding that paying less for less time having the new product makes sense.
OSHA's fines are in fact so low that the impact to many companies is laughable if they're ever cited for a violation up to and including worker deaths. I'll be first in line to criticize most any US govt agency but OSHA isn't exactly a major contributor to govt coffers.
Now you are lucky, aren't you?
You can afford to pay 20$ instead of 9$ for a Protank, and 100$ instead of 40$ for a Zmax, and still pay your bills?
Well, I can't and even if I could, why give profit to those who can't offer a reasonably priced article, but demand x2 or up to x4 the price if I buy it in a developing country (fast development, I must admit). I don't have "rich mug" written across my brow, and sorry, but I don't want it either!
And this stupid row is so often brought up, but people still don't understand that everyone will buy from who they want, at the price they can afford.
It's good, at whatever price from wherever it comes, if people vape, and stop smoking.
That is the idea, or have I lost the point, somewhere?
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Working in a supply warehouse for one of the largest supply companies in the world in its industry, I'll call your Bluff.
OSHA Fines each and every accident that requires of site medical attention, even if the fault of a careless employee, at $50,000 - Yes Fifty Thousand Dollars for EACH incident - even if it is a simple Stitch and Tetanus Shot due to lack of awareness.
Most of our associates agree - OSHA is costing us our ability to receive better benefits and increased wages by Legally stealing available funds.
Our company Preaches SAFETY almost Religiously several times a day in all departments and has a -0- Tolorance policy for recklessness or horseplay. We have Safety committees for each shift that hold monthly meetings to address any in house concerns Trained staff for any medical emergency and more.
All above and beyond OSHA Requirements.
Can't wait to hear how this turns out.
I've Deliberately purchased across the board to see how the clones work. From the KFL+ Black Edition to the Lowly Rocket Tank.
I have yet been able to find one - with all machining intact - that I could Not make work excellent.
Yes some have received defects - missing Juice channels, or screw holes not threaded - YOU SEND THOSE BACK.
2 things make a properly assembled KayFun style leak/flood period.
Wick improperly applied - to thin, to loose, to short, routed wrong
Air Leak in unit - sections not tight, bad/missing o-ring, crack(plastic tank, maybe)
Original can suffer Same issues
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Imagine (OK, it's SLIGHTLY off topic, but not a lot
) being a surgeon, or a doctor, you make a mistake, or even no mistake, but there's a glitch. A greedy lawyer gets hold of the case, ruins you. And you were doing your job. OK there's insurance, but it'll cost you a bomb if you eff up.Every where in America people seem to be obsessed with grabbing the most money possible, then spending it, just to be able to show off their new vroom vroom or APV or robe...
That's why America's in the caca, cos it's a completely, obsessively based consumer .
society, with no sense of humanity in it's spending.
It's got damn all to do with how other countries sell cheaper, it's the consumer grab it when you can system that does the damage.
PS Crxess, you WON'T hear how the original works, compared to the cheap clone in the bin. It would be too embarrassing
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I bought a Tobeco KFL+ to see if the "original" would be worth it looking into (my first RBA). After using it for a while with no issues, ventured to the dedicated KFL thread.....the original has issues I never experienced with my Tobeco. Got more KFL+'s from both e5cig and Focalecig, other than having to clean off some manufacturing oil, they also work flawlessly. The KFL+ from e5cig is currently $13 and some change, +shipping, which if you buy multiples, is no big deal. As far as quality, it's 1:1 compared to the Tobeco, IMO.
Good luck with that $110 KFL+, but honestly, it sounds like "user error".
Well, I don't think it was 'user error'. I installed fat cotton wicks, thin cotton wicks, long cotton wicks, short cotton wicks and a silica wick. Watched 10 different build videos. Filled it from the fill screw and from the top cap. Used 100% thick VG and thin PG. All O-rings were checked for damage. No cracks in the tank.
I think part of the problem with that Kayfun Lite clone was that it was machined with (4) four separate and very deep juice channels.
Here is a photo of the base (minus the wick) ...
BTW ... These are my photos ... not something I just pulled off the internet
Notice the highly machined quality threads on the base:
Well, I don't think it was 'user error'. I installed fat cotton wicks, thin cotton wicks, long cotton wicks, short cotton wicks and a silica wick. Watched 10 different build videos. Filled it from the fill screw and from the top cap. Used 100% thick VG and thin PG. All O-rings were checked for damage. No cracks in the tank.
I think part of the problem with that Kayfun Lite clone was that it was machined with (4) four separate and very deep juice channels.
Here is a photo of the base (minus the wick) ...
BTW ... These are my photos ... not something I just pulled off the internet
Notice the highly machined quality threads on the base:
I've never received any KFL+ that had such dismal threading on it, and they've all only had 2 juice channels. Wonder just what exactly that RBA is.......doing a google search.
And apologies for "User Error".........4 huge juice channels, I get it!
Well, the bottom line is ... I ain't buying anymore fake atomizers!
I don't care if there may be some good ones out there, I'm not taking any chances on possibly getting another POS!
I don't care if there may be some good ones out there, I'm not taking any chances on possibly getting another POS!
Well, I don't think it was 'user error'. I installed fat cotton wicks, thin cotton wicks, long cotton wicks, short cotton wicks and a silica wick. Watched 10 different build videos. Filled it from the fill screw and from the top cap. Used 100% thick VG and thin PG. All O-rings were checked for damage. No cracks in the tank.
I think part of the problem with that Kayfun Lite clone was that it was machined with (4) four separate and very deep juice channels.
Here is a photo of the base (minus the wick) ...
BTW ... These are my photos ... not something I just pulled off the internet
Notice the highly machined quality threads on the base:
I know that Design - Stupid Manufacturer was attempting to memic the Aqua in a KayFun style.
Only way to make it work - and it will - is to use slightly heavy wicking and Split wicks with enough length to fit/tuck into the channels.
Same concept as the Aqua.
Definitely not one of the better Tanks and Not a 1:1 clone by a long shot, but usable if the information is available for building.
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Well, I don't think it was 'user error'. I installed fat cotton wicks, thin cotton wicks, long cotton wicks, short cotton wicks and a silica wick. Watched 10 different build videos. Filled it from the fill screw and from the top cap. Used 100% thick VG and thin PG. All O-rings were checked for damage. No cracks in the tank.
I think part of the problem with that Kayfun Lite clone was that it was machined with (4) four separate and very deep juice channels.
Here is a photo of the base (minus the wick) ...
BTW ... These are my photos ... not something I just pulled off the internet
Notice the highly machined quality threads on the base:
That's not a KFL clone, incidently, it's a clone of a new thing similar, with 4 juice channels, which the KFL doesn't have.
At least the clone of a KFL I got today doesn't. It's vaping like a chimney, with no leaks, replacement joints + screwdriver for filling from the base (haven't tried that, yet
). No complaints and it cost me 22$ postage included. I'm happy with it, and THAT'S what counts for me. And that my bank is still letting me use my bank card.
So, that's where I am, although I'll write a more detailed description elsewhere, and later, when I have more time.
The device you have in photo is known as an Aqua, and, due to the 4 juice channels, double coil, and other difficulties in the setup, I was advised to get a KFL or Russian (I've got the KFL clone, and I'm waiting on the Russian...). It's true that it's well made, but 4 channels and 2 coils is quite a thing to get set up without leaks, and vaping well.
Good luck to you. Apparantly they're a super vape, once setup
I'll stay on my single coil devices, until maybe, I'm an expert coil maker of this style. But I'm not really into double coils. One coil's enough for me, thanks. I find doubles a bit too much for my delicate lungs...
Sorry, just saw crxss's post, where he already said that it's an Aqua clone...
Yes, I agree about split or double wicking, to go down the 4 channels. Don't they usually have 2 minus posts for a dual coil set up? Or is that in my dreams...yes, as the one I looked at was single coil, with 4 separate wicks, no double coil
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And now you know the difference between a clone and a knock-off
Best showcase of the the evolution in the industry ever. Is there an award for that?
Great share. Thanks. Wonder what he thinks about this video now?
That KFL+ is the yessmo version that twisted420 was talking about a month ago! Im pretty sure it's the KFL+ with 4 instead of two.
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