Chinese manufacturers setting up American vaping association

[zoiDman]

I recall that - thanks - I'll check it out later. Although, I think that Bill G, Siegel, Carl, et al truly believe that it's going to cost a mint for SE (if that is even an issue) or on new applications.

Hard to say what a PMTA would cost for an e-Cigarette? Or for an Flavored e-liquid?

Or what Hoops an Applicant(s) is going to have to Jump Through to be Approved?

 

[stormjib]

Honestly I'd prefer they spend money advertising vaping safely, as conspicuously as possible. I envision ads in magazines like reader's digest..'what no one is telling you about vaping and vaping products' kind of thing. Not that that is exclusive of lobbying, but I'd like to see public perception swayed a bit.

 

[SeniorBoy]

SEVIA USA at SeviaUSA appears to be a quasi spin off from the parent Shenzhen Electronic Vaporizer Industry Association (SEVIA) at http://sevia.org/English/ The latter's 8/2014 submission to the FDA's deeming at http://www.regulations.gov/contentS...mber=1&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf

So...contrary to my first thoughts of where the hell were you guys in 4/14 /lol I've modified my position and think the big 4 can actually help our cause.

HTH

 

[JoanJ]

I think this is a very good thing, indeed. They are a bit late to the 'party' but given all factors I don't think for one second that this will go unnoticed by TPTB.

Not sure if late to the party, biding their time for the political wind (bags) to change or who knows what. I don't believe they would jump into something without a lot of strategizing. I am not sure how all the political distractions will play into all of this either. Will truly be interesting to watch how this shakes out.

 

[WorksForMe]

For long time, people have been saying that if the deeming is finalized only BT will have the big bucks to file PMTAs with the FDA. Bill G.said once that the Chinese wouldn't do it. Maybe that's not true anymore.

 

[MyMagicMist]

For long time, people have been saying that if the deeming is finalized only BT will have the big bucks to file PMTAs with the FDA. Bill G.said once that the Chinese wouldn't do it. Maybe that's not true anymore.

The Chinese see a business opportunity. Vapers equate to money on the table. Not only that, vaping seems good socially, environmentally.

I am slightly concerned regarding batteries. That concern is warranted as batteries do have toxic elements. We cannot simply cover them in landfills.

I also know though, great strides are made to innovate reuse of batteries, or battery materials in safe manners. Will not speculate upon how because I can humbly admit ignorance on that. I am simply a dirt poor country boy homesteader.

That aside, I do know there are minds far brighter than mine working upon solutions. I have hope in human potentiality. If we humans can make a problem, we can solve it as well.

Is it wrong to gain a bit from helping socially? Not if it is done with a balanced and fair hand. The people in China who work for the vaping industries also need to live.

I keep coming back to something Mr. Putin has said. "We all need to consider others", of course, I am paraphrasing yet think I have the gist of what he said. This expression to me implies I have to think about how well the Pope's day went today, even being an Atheist.

We are all here together and need to begin acting like it, or we'll all be gone together. If that sounds akin to collectivism I apologize but truth is what it is, it is what is. There is no us or them anymore, never really had been, all there is, is us.

So, is it fair to let people in China live, eat, do well? I think so. They'll be working, at least some of them, to bring vapers new gear. They'll be opening up business and work in America hopefully, too.

I think all in all if the bigger players in the vaping industry have delayed, it has been strategic. It is always good to see where most of the pieces fit before you solve a puzzle. Then, the rest will fall into order as you begin working on a solution.

 

[MyMagicMist]

I fail to see how this will replenish millions of dollars in daily tobacco tax revenue for BG

IMO ... this will be ignored

Depends on which government though really. Maybe eventually we'll all grow up and realize we don't need any government. For now, I see this likely helping the Chinese government. Be difficult to decide risking being in ill favor of the Chinese government too.

 

[zoiDman]

For long time, people have been saying that if the deeming is finalized only BT will have the big bucks to file PMTAs with the FDA. Bill G.said once that the Chinese wouldn't do it. Maybe that's not true anymore.

I would be Very Surprised if someone like NJOY or Joyetech or a few of the other Major Players didn't have PMTA's in the work up stage right Now.

 

[Steamix]

SEVIA USA at SeviaUSA appears to be a quasi spin off from the parent Shenzhen Electronic Vaporizer Industry Association (SEVIA) at SHENZHEN Electronic Vaporizer Industry Association The latter's 8/2014 submission to the FDA's deeming at http://www.regulations.gov/contentS...mber=1&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf

So...contrary to my first thoughts of where the hell were you guys in 4/14 /lol I've modified my position and think the big 4 can actually help our cause.

HTH

A long and interesting read ... thanks

That might explain why they churning out new models at a fast clip. If only they just manage to sway the FDA on the grandfather date, they've got a lot of stuff past the jamb before the door slams shut.

Writing up that paper... they did lay some money on. Good to see that they *can* do better than the atrocious pidgin english often found on their websites ( machine translated ... google translator 'this site is in turkish, do you wish to translate into turkish ,....). Setting up shop stateside after that letter is some kind of message ... they aren't doing that just for saving on the postage for the next paper .

As it is now a multi million dollar industry of which the big players hold a major share they signallinh - we mean business too.

Strikes me as odd though, that joyetech doesn't seem to be on that 'team'....

 

[WorksForMe]

Hmmm....they have Dimitris Agrafiotis listed as Chairman of SEVIA USA. I wonder if Busardo has a title too.

Contact Us – SeviaUSA

 

[Mazinny]

Hmmm....they have Dimitris Agrafiotis listed as Chairman of SEVIA USA. I wonder if Busardo has a title too.

Contact Us – SeviaUSA

Doubt it. Busardo has never been too involved in the legislation aspect of things, that has always been Dimitris' thing. But up to now he ( Dimitris ) was more involved at the state level ; setting up the Tennessee Smoke Free Association, then helping vendors in other states start their own Smoke Free Associations. He was hired by Mountain Oak Vapors as their COO as well and represents them in FDA meetings and workshops etc ... Wearing a lot of hats it seems.

 

[DC2]

Hmmm....they have Dimitris Agrafiotis listed as Chairman of SEVIA USA.

Wow.

I can't let this go without comment.
Problem is, I really don't know what to say.

So I'll let that be my comment.

 

[WorksForMe]

Wow.

I can't let this go without comment.
Problem is, I really don't know what to say.

So I'll let that be my comment.

I think it's a great thing to see that Dimitris appears to be working with a well funded Chinese organization that was set up to help with advocasy and litigation in the US. As long as he's been in the game, hopefully he knows where Chinese money can best be used.