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kinabaloo

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I am sorry Kinabaloo I did not mean you to check it out, I was talking in general in case some one didn't know about it. English is my second language and I do these kind of mistakes. Cheers

My fault - I had written something different originally; but decided to censor myself. So I had to put something mundane in it's place.

Actually, not many people would know much about that history.
 

kinabaloo

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corporate media is far more trustworthy than a government run media. "corporate" is not a dirty word.

It's not really about 'corporate' or 'government'; the international news in the west is part propaganda, part destabilisation. It is obvious when you know how it works.
 

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corporate media is far more trustworthy than a government run media. "corporate" is not a dirty word.
Yes "corporate" isn't a dirty word, but our "corporate" media is dirty. Most of the media outlets owned by big private businesses, and they own in the same time other sectors like oil, cars, weapons, ... and maybe tobacco companies :confused:8-o
The "truth" is a product for this kind of media, if doesn't make money and help their companies then this product won't find its way to our TV screens, or they would mention it fast and when people mostly asleep, 3:00AM news:rolleyes:
Meanwhile ideally the government media should be for the sake of people and not for money or supporting who is in control of the government, and if it does then the problem is not anymore about trust in this media, it is about whole society. I believe that we live in a time where the government and big corporations are on one side and people "consumers" are on the other side, therefor when I see how some governments are dealing with the electric cigarettes I am not surprised ;).
 

leaford

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The stated logic seems innocuous - expose the immune system to the signature of a pathogen and it will build up anti-bodies to be prepared.

This oversimplifies the way the immune system works.

Of course it does, because your description of vaccination is itself an oversymplification. Using an oversimplified description of immunization to argue that immunization theory oversimplifies the way the immune system works is circular reasoning.

The fact is, the immunologist who actually study the immune system, study the vaccination process, create the vaccines, test them, and monitor the results, have a MUCH deeper and broader understanding of bothe the immune system and vaccines than either you or I, and do not oversimplify it.

And the act of vaccination bypasses most of the normal defensives to put foreign dna, mercury and other other gunk right into the bloodstream.
OK then, name one vaccine that is directly injected into the bloodstream. Just one. There aren't any, vaccines are injected into the MUSCLE.

Foreign dna? You mean foreign DNA like all those virii and bacteria that we breath in, eat, or get injected with whenever we get scratched or cut? Foreign DNA like the food we eat? Foreign DNA like the insulin diabetics take? Foreign DNA like the shark cartilidge pills naturopaths think is so wonderful?

Just what is so frightening to you about foreign DNA? Me, I LOOOOOVES foreign DNA, especially inch-thick foreign DNA chared on the outside, pink on the inside. MMMMMMM-mmmmmm.

Mercury? You do know mercury is the most common element in the earth's crust, don't you? That you're breathing in mercury right now? We vape mercury in our e-cigs. Your morning wheaties contained mercury. Breast milk contains mercury. We all ingest more mercury every day than is contained in the thimerasol in any vaccine. And virtually no vaccines in the US contain thimerasol anyway, not since 1992. Only multi-dose flu shots.

I don't think there is any good evidence that vaccines work. The infectious diseases that plagued people in centuries past were largely all in major decline before vaccines were introduced; the result of improved hygiene and clean drinking water.
NO, they weren't. This is a common LIE told by anti-vaxxers. They will point you to statistics of death rates, and say, see, going down. Death rates were going down as we learned how to keep people alive when they were sick. But INFECTION rates were NOT going down.

FOr example, measles deaths were declining for decades before the vaccine was introduced, but infection rates, and resulting cases of measles-caused blindness, deafness, and mental ......ation, were steady right up until the vaccine was introduced. After the vaccine, infection rates PLUMMETED. Not declined, PLUMMETED. In the 50's there were millions of measles cases a year, and 20,000 or so deaths. Last year there were under 300 measles infections. Not deaths. Infections.

And worldwide, there were once an average of almost a million deaths a year up until about a decade ago, when the UN began a huge vaccination puch. Now, there are only around 300,000. One third what it was only a few short years ago. AND a matching decline in blindness, deafness, and brain damage, of course.

That's not cleaner water, measles isn't spread that way. It's not sanitation, or hospital care. No big worldwide changes have happened in the last few years to account for it that way. It's vaccinations. They work. And there is tons of evidence if you only open your mind and educate yourself.
 

leaford

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Oh, Nuck, you innocent you... All anti-science world-views are conspiracies at their heart. Anti-vaxxers believe in a big pharma/FDA conspiracy. Creationists believe in a scientific conspiracy to cover up evidence of creation. Homeopaths believe in a conspiracy of science and medicine against them. The stupid doesn't seem to work without it.
 
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