Chips vs Mechs... fight!

[UncleChuck]

My 20w regulated mod is smaller than a Nemesis with a kick in 18500 and 18650 mode. Same size as a Nemesis in 18350.

So regulated mods don't have to be large.

To be fair, you are only taking one dimension (overall height, I'm assuming) into consideration, and as your example of a mechanical you use a device with a kick which makes it longer, and kind of makes it a regulated vs regulated comparison for the vast majority of people.

A more fair comparison would be a Nemesis in 18500 mode with no kick to pretty much any APV/regulated mod out there, and the Nemesis is smaller in every single dimension, except maybe thickness on some of the smaller/lower power APVs. Additionally that Nemesis is capable of over 50 watts, regardless of the battery's charge level, and staying within an AW IMR's safety rating. Compared to 50W box mods, the 18500 nemesis is definitely smaller in every single dimension, and still more powerful.

I'm not trying to say APVs are bad because of this, but in a fair comparison they lack power and/or are larger when compared to mechs. Whether those things are important is the question, because they are definitely true.

 

[Soundhunter]

My 20w regulated mod is smaller than a Nemesis with a kick in 18500 and 18650 mode. Same size as a Nemesis in 18350.

So regulated mods don't have to be large.

Check out those ohms i posted again.. forgetting the size argument.. I am vaping at between 29 and 44 watts.. What is a 20w regulated device going to do for me?


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[EuroChris]

To be fair, you are only taking one dimension (overall height, I'm assuming) into consideration, and as your example of a mechanical you use a device with a kick which makes it longer, and kind of makes it a regulated vs regulated comparison for the vast majority of people.

A more fair comparison would be a Nemesis in 18500 mode with no kick to pretty much any APV/regulated mod out there, and the Nemesis is smaller in every single dimension, except maybe thickness on some of the smaller/lower power APVs. Additionally that Nemesis is capable of over 50 watts, regardless of the battery's charge level, and staying within an AW IMR's safety rating. Compared to 50W box mods, the 18500 nemesis is definitely smaller in every single dimension, and still more powerful.

I'm not trying to say APVs are bad because of this, but in a fair comparison they lack power and/or are larger when compared to mechs. Whether those things are important is the question, because they are definitely true.

I was of course comparing two 22mm tube mods. Remove the kick, and I assume the regulated device will be 3-4mm larger.

I get the power argument. If you want power and small size, you can't beat a mech mod

Check out those ohms i posted again.. forgetting the size argument.. I am vaping at between 29 and 44 watts.. What is a 20w regulated device going to do for me?


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I get the power limitations when you are using a dripper. I was thinking more about what you said at the top of your post regarding size.

 

[KenD]

I was of course comparing two 22mm tube mods. Remove the kick, and I assume the regulated device will be 3-4mm larger.

Sorry if you've already answered the question, but what regulated tube mod are you talking about? What battery does it use?

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[EuroChris]

Sorry if you've already answered the question, but what regulated tube mod are you talking about? What battery does it use?

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Pipeline Pro with extended end cap.
There are three sizes of the mod, 18650 18350 and 18500. With the extended end cap, you only add 3.6 mm.

 

[DoPeWAFFL3]

Unregulated vaping is the vaping for me.

 

[Roxxette]

Check out those ohms i posted again.. forgetting the size argument.. I am vaping at between 29 and 44 watts.. What is a 20w regulated device going to do for me?

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How long do you think you are really vaping at 29/44 watts ? specially when you only get full power at optimum conditions (clean contacts etc) and of course taking into consideration voltage drop, resistance of the atomizer itself (not the coil) even resistance of the battery.

I love mechs because the looks but regulated is the way to go imo and they just going to get better, smaller and more powerful

 

[David1975]

I can adjust the wattage according to my builds. If these chip mods had great battery life I would purchase one. As for now I'm content with my mechs. I feel safer without electronics believe it or not.

I can agree COMPLETELY! I like the chip MOD's, I do have a few of them. I guess I started Mech's after my chip went bad while I was away from home.... IT SUCKS. Here I am with an unbreakable MOD (the Elvt), spare battery, back up atty, extra juice, and no way to make it work. I'll tell ya, when your holding a working battery and atty in your hands and realize 1 tiny piece in this $100 MOD is the only thing keeping you from vaping, and that's all that's keeping you from smoking..... puts things in perspective, fast That's when I was determined to avoid that situation again. Now I have a K100, with kick 2, and back up atty+battery. I feel safer knowing that if I'm using the kick and it dies, I've got a telescopic mod and I can still run without it, and with any 1800 battery I may have on me.

 

[KenD]

Pipeline Pro with extended end cap.
There are three sizes of the mod, 18650 18350 and 18500. With the extended end cap, you only add 3.6 mm.

Oh, that's an interesting mod. Will definitely need to take a closer look at that one, though I really do need more than 20w.

At 111 mm in 18650 mode it is taller than a stingray (about 9 cm), a stingray x (86 mm) etc, and more so with the mechs on hybrid mode, but it is really not much of a difference.

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[EuroChris]

Oh, that's an interesting mod. Will definitely need to take a closer look at that one, though I really do need more than 20w.

At 111 mm in 18650 mode it is taller than a stingray (about 9 cm), a stingray x (86 mm) etc, and more so with the mechs on hybrid mode, but it is really not much of a difference.

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Yeah, but the 18500 with the extended end cap(which makes it 18650) is 98.8mm. The extended end cap is hollow, which saves some space.

 

[ukeman]

I spend 98% of my vape time right at my desk at my home/den/office and the only devices i take on the road (car/truck to town etc) are my sub ohms fitted Reo Grands; they are the ultimate for taking along imo.

My 2 Raptor boxes are big in comparison, but not an issue on my desk top.
The Emech is actually heavier although much narrower (2x 18650 as well).

I have a few tube devices here too... but after a couple years chasing high end mech tubes, I am fed up with constant fixing and adjusting, and maintenance of the switch and contacts; not to mention batt changes for sub ohms.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Interesting read! I've just got my first mech after vaping regulated for 6 months (egos before that).

At first I was scared of mechs. I wasn't confidant in my coils and was worried about over discharging the battery. I also wanted a consistent Vape, and the forms at the time read like mechs performance would seriously diminish overtime. I wasn't down for that.

My hana clone with a dripper is nice and pocketable, but still larger than I want to carry when going out for a few hours or so. Also doesn't look good in dress pants lol
I have a "lightsaber" apv that I keep my Kayfun on loaded with my all day Vape. I use the hana clone when at my desk or around the house and on car trips (pass through mode for the win!)
I got a 4nine clone with the CLT atts which looks slick and vapes well! Got it today and have been vaping on it with better performance than I get from my regulated devices (imo). I'll probably slap the Kayfun on it while on the go since my dripper are built at .7 and my Kayfun is 1.2 or 1.4 which should give me more Vape time and less hassle with the dripping, time will tell though.

I like the regulated mods for the features (check voltage/battery whenever/wherever) but it will be interesting to see how the dinky 4nine fits into my routine. That little thing hits like a train!

Bottom line, both.
Innovation could lead to me no longer using the mech, but that would have to be one tiny ... screen to compete with the form factor of the 4nine!

 

[roflwaffles]

Once high wattage dual 18650 regulated devices flood the market, there will be little reason to have a mech as a primary mod aside from aesthetics.

Everyone should have a mech anyway though for a backup.

 

[nicetucu]

See which works after it's dropped on the floor. A few times.

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I have a low end vamo v3 that has been dropped about 10 times and I'm really surprised the thing is still working 13 months now. Bad thing is I think the button is not as good though....still works fine

 

[ukeman]

totally agree. but make mine double 18650's... and make mine at least 50w. its gonna happen.
btw I just saw an interesting 30w "flask" with 2 18650s (22mm wide) coming out

Once high wattage dual 18650 regulated devices flood the market, there will be little reason to have a mech as a primary mod aside from aesthetics.

Everyone should have a mech anyway though for a backup.

Yeah... I find it super overkill that they are STILL pumping out "new" mech tubes all the freeking time... I mean there are only so many ways to make a pos contact and switch for a tube.
I can't even count the number of mech tube models out there now and see new ones coming out almost every day, and I've spent thousands on them.

 

[tayone415]

With these chips like the DNA series, the Naos Raptor, and the OKR-T10, is there any reason other than aesthetics to bother with a mechanical? It seems to me (and I confess, I do not have a mech, I decided to go with a DNA 30 for my first major mod), that these chipped mods have mechanicals licked when it comes to function. But I am still extremely new to the wonderful world of vaping and I would like to hear others thoughts.

So, which wins the battle, Chipped Mods, or Mech Mods?

Most regulated devices, can't handle certain builds like a mech mod can, and while many people are satisfied with 100 watts, there are many who are not. A nice mechanical mod is more reliable than a regulated device and isn't as easily broken compared to a regulated device and can be dropped usually without doing much damage besides cosmetics. Mechanical mods are usually smaller than regulated mods and are more aesthetically pleasing. High wattage regulated devices mostly come in the form of a box, and not everyone wants to use a box mod. Once a regulated device is dropped enough times or hard enough or is shorted by a bad build, the device becomes useless, I have a regulated device that barely works, but all my mechs works.

I don't think there is a battle, since not everyone wants a mech some people just want a simple regulated device and feel 30 watts is already overkill and some don't want a mod of either kind.

 

[tayone415]

make mine double 18650's... and make mine at least 50w. its gonna happen.

It has already happened with the GI and GI2 and if it's already out the Sigeli 100 watt box mod

 

[Cullin Kin]

It has already happened with the GI and GI2 and if it's already out the Sigeli 100 watt box mod

Apparently the GI2 can pump out 168 Watts with the lowest resistance build it can handle (0.12Ω I think?). That's just insanity.

I love both mechs and regulated. In my opinion, the both give off a different kind of vapor that isn't really comparable. Nothing like the clouds and flavor of a mech and Plume Veil at 0.24Ω, and there's also nothing like a regulated with a 0.8Ω build on a Magma at 23.5 Watts. Delicious. Two different animals.

 

[tayone415]

Apparently the GI2 can pump out 168 Watts with the lowest resistance build it can handle (1.2Ω I think?). That's just insanity.

I love both mechs and regulated. In my opinion, the both give off a different kind of vapor that isn't really comparable. Nothing like the clouds and flavor of a mech and Plume Veil at 0.24Ω, and there's also nothing like a regulated with a 0.8Ω build on a Magma at 23.5 Watts. Delicious. Two different animals.

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100 watts with a 0.01 ohm minimum resistance, but I'll stick with my mechs

 

[ukeman]

It has already happened with the GI and GI2 and if it's already out the Sigeli 100 watt box mod

not quite yet... he said when high wattage devices "flood the market" ... I wouldn't say the extremely limited G12 has flooded the market.
Higher wattage devices are only trickling out today... not sure why, but that trickle will turn into a flood soon.

I've got 2 Raptor boxes... which I was lucky to get without having to build my own.

There's also the mass produced Dovpo E mech with is only a 30w, but carries 2 18650's for under $100 which is corny but works pretty good.

Sigeli etc, they're coming!