Yeah I didn't see the word flood so I didn't mean the GI2 or any high powered regulated device flooded the market.
2 18650s for 30 watts is
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Chips vs Mechs... fight!
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2 18650s for 30 watts is
I hear you but imo the regulated high watt chips can do both... with ease.
The best thing about these (besides high watts) is that the power is smooth and regulated to pump out the same consistent power flow with each click of the button.
I don't think too many folks with 100w, 120w etc actually use them at max watt settings... I don't even use mine much above 35 - 40w but its the ability to do whatever you want.
(and with double 18650's your sub ohms vaping won't have you changing single 18650 batts all day).
A super low resistance coil on a tube (or a single 18650 30w ) will drain an 18650 in no time.
There are dual and triple 18650 mechanical box mods on the market. I think a good amount of people buy high watt mods to max it out, maybe people who want to chase clouds but don't want to build so low or are scarred of a mechanical mod.
I don't know why else someone would be a device putting out 100+ watts???
Can a 100+ watt device even consistently keep up with chain vaping while the watts are maxed out???
like i said I don't max it out, and most vapers I've read in forums don't, but you're right, some do...
including the guy that built one of mine... Rapture on Calivaper forum. He goes for it, like .20 or even .1X ohms... and he looks for RDA's that have lots of air so I imagine they are capable of max wattage.
A .15 ohms at ie. 3.7v is 91w right off the batt... I've never gone below .29 ohms myself.
he looks for RDA setups that will take the most power without burning the wick.
I guess he would have to fire in short bursts too.
I am talking about the big watt chips... mine is a Naos Raptor chip box and my Dreambox is Raptor too.
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I just prefer mechanicals. I have quite a few (authentic and clones) and that's pretty much all I use. My Provari, although a fantastic device, is only very rarely used. My SVD is only used to check battery strength. So I have no interest whatsoever in all the new vv and vw devices coming out. But to each their own.
You're missing the point, a provari or svd can't fight with a mech but newer vv devices that can push 50+ watts can easily, especially once you account for the voltage drop which is a non issue on vv (power wise at least).
I went from a CLK to a ZMAX and in the same week that I bought the ZMAX I bought a cheap Neme clone, and I can honestly say that there is no comparison between regulated and unregulated mods. At this point I have a Hana 30 and a black/copper Stingray. I like the Hana because of the flexibility, especially early in the mornings when I'm getting ready for work. But when I leave for work, I take a mechanical. I will always prefer mechanicals. My wife is the opposite, she took the ZMAX when I quit using it and has since tried a couple mechanicals and for her shes happier with a cheap Caterpillar RDA and the ability to turn it up or down to her likings.
After going through several VV/VW devices,
From eVics and Z maxes to VTRs and Hanna 30s
I have several that no longer function properly.
All 36 of my mechs perform as well as the day I bought them
They also cost a fraction of the price.
VV devices have a lifespan that will end before yours.
A well made mechanical mod will outlive your children.
From eVics and Z maxes to VTRs and Hanna 30s
I have several that no longer function properly.
All 36 of my mechs perform as well as the day I bought them
They also cost a fraction of the price.
VV devices have a lifespan that will end before yours.
A well made mechanical mod will outlive your children.
I have to disagree with that, even accounting for and testing for voltage drop, there are still many people who vape over 50+ watts. The only regulated device that might compete is something with a raptor chip, but the minimum ohms can't go as low as a mech obviously so a mech could still push over 150 watts. For performance, one day a regulated device might perform just as good if not better, but not everyone wants to carry a box mod or a larger mod, and there's more that can go wrong with a regulated device, and there are many people who are not attracted to the looks of regulated devices and with the high price tag high wattage devices come with. So I don't think they can compete for many mech users. Plus I can drop my mech and not have to worry if I cracked my screen or if it's stilling going to work. Can't say that about a regulated device I owned that the screen cracked and has so many issues, and discharges batteries ruining them without using the mod.
For a regulated device and chain vaping, I don't know if it could consistently keep up with a low resistance coil on a mech pushing out the same amount of watts.
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Right now what regulated mods do is basically the same as what mech mods do, just with different envelopes. I suspect that may not always be the case, and some technology will come along that can only be done with electronics. There is a LOT of room for innovation on the electronics side.
Raptor chips are pretty cheap; like <$20 retail; and once the market gets going, these high watt chip mods will not be expensive.
Other chips are coming out in high watt form right now ie. Sigelei under $100 and double 18650s which is the kicker; tubes have only one.
Tubes need constant maintenance. I've got a drawer full of mech tubes that the contacts and switches were giving me fits.
I think those the love mechs and have been around a while know how to maintain them... like the word "mech" it helps to be a "mechanic" or good with stuff like that.
But any time your talking high watts above 30, you're talking changing batts a lot too.
I just don't think a high watt vape is practical or complete with just a one 18650 capacity.
I have to plead ignorance to how durable or long lasting a high watt chip is but I can say that the Dreambox is solid aluminum, so is the Sig but a thinner profile there; like the Hana box; nice.
I've had my 2 Raptors for a couple months at least and its like a whole new experience after vaping sub ohms on tubes for 3 yrs. Just point and shoot.
Other chips are coming out in high watt form right now ie. Sigelei under $100 and double 18650s which is the kicker; tubes have only one.
Tubes need constant maintenance. I've got a drawer full of mech tubes that the contacts and switches were giving me fits.
I think those the love mechs and have been around a while know how to maintain them... like the word "mech" it helps to be a "mechanic" or good with stuff like that.
But any time your talking high watts above 30, you're talking changing batts a lot too.
I just don't think a high watt vape is practical or complete with just a one 18650 capacity.
I have to plead ignorance to how durable or long lasting a high watt chip is but I can say that the Dreambox is solid aluminum, so is the Sig but a thinner profile there; like the Hana box; nice.
I've had my 2 Raptors for a couple months at least and its like a whole new experience after vaping sub ohms on tubes for 3 yrs. Just point and shoot.
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For mechanical mods there are mods that hold 2-3 batteries, there are mech box mods holding 2 or 3 batteries, there are at least 2 I've seen that is designed to stack 2 18650s or 2 26650s. So there is something else out there, but not everyone wants a box mod still whether it's a mech or regulated device.
Is a high watt vape practical? No, but there are many people who do it everyday all day, and carrying extra batteries and switching batteries becomes second nature.
the real difference? is more about tanks vs rda's. not many folks actually can tolerate 50+ watts steam.. that's freaking HOT without a super airy draw.. and tanks in general.. cant be that airy. ( I haven tried all the tanks yet.. maybe fogger or orchid or something similar is that airy )
but in general.. the main set of folks seeking massive power.. dont even understand whats actually working here. it isnt about super low resistance, or super high watts. NO. its about WORK.. HEAT. power to convert liquid to steam.
as Uke has said on this thread a few times, your basic mech is a metal tube. the primary differences? the engraving or the finish. that's it. yet even some on this thread have mentioned having hundreds! more power to em, we can all be obsessive as we choose, but there is very little actual difference in the vast majority. with in the shootists world.. there are ball and musket types... and semi auto types.. and a infinite spectrum in between.
the hunt for more power is primarily driven by younger vapors that are currently chasing phat clouds. cool. they get to do that if they want.
me, I want flavor and portability to get nic delivered enjoyably, frequently, on the go. dripping is a pita anywhere but sitting at my desk. So REO's are awesome for this. Also, R91/KF/ ( new erlkonigin is ordered ) etc on a nice small Evolve product.. Im sporting a VS rDNA 30. the ZNA is a tube form factor, small DNA. I never go above 25, even with my tobh or Atomic rda's on it. why? because thee isnt any joy in burning my throat.
but in general.. the main set of folks seeking massive power.. dont even understand whats actually working here. it isnt about super low resistance, or super high watts. NO. its about WORK.. HEAT. power to convert liquid to steam.
as Uke has said on this thread a few times, your basic mech is a metal tube. the primary differences? the engraving or the finish. that's it. yet even some on this thread have mentioned having hundreds! more power to em, we can all be obsessive as we choose, but there is very little actual difference in the vast majority. with in the shootists world.. there are ball and musket types... and semi auto types.. and a infinite spectrum in between.
the hunt for more power is primarily driven by younger vapors that are currently chasing phat clouds. cool. they get to do that if they want.
me, I want flavor and portability to get nic delivered enjoyably, frequently, on the go. dripping is a pita anywhere but sitting at my desk. So REO's are awesome for this. Also, R91/KF/ ( new erlkonigin is ordered ) etc on a nice small Evolve product.. Im sporting a VS rDNA 30. the ZNA is a tube form factor, small DNA. I never go above 25, even with my tobh or Atomic rda's on it. why? because thee isnt any joy in burning my throat.
If this thread is about tanks that are non-rebuildable (I'm not sure what this thread is really about anymore) and the resistance is 1.6 ohms and up then a regulated device will perform better than a mech with VV or VW. For dripping, while many are satisfied with a regulated device at 30 watts or 50 watts and like you said not everyone can handle a hot vape, but not everyone is satisfied at the power. I know about power to create heat to vaporize liquid and why builds are done with lower ohms to get that much power on a mech. I only 7 mechs, but I have some that are built different than most mods out there and definitely out performs all of the ones I have ATM.
You can good flavor with low resistance. There are people who like the hot vape, it's more satisfying to me to feel the heat and a lung full of vapor, compared to a cooler or warm vape with little vapor. For me using a VV/VW mod with a cool to slightly warm vape with little vapor was never really satisfying for me, it wasn't until I switched to mechs and low resistance builds I felt satisfied and wasn't tempted to go back to smoking.
Everyone has a his or her own preference, mine is mechs yours might be regulated. At this point of vaping their is no battle between the two, there's a place for both types within the vaping community. My biggest issue with regulated devices was not getting a consistent hit while chain vaping at higher settings. I would have to wait a few minutes at times. That might be fixed with the newer devices, but I prefer to have a more reliable device, one of the reasons I left regulated mods.
I use both. I like the mecs with .8ohm coils just because of the simplicity. I also find I prefer the vape from the linear power delivery from a battery. But I'm also lazy and use the APVs so I can swap from tank to tank and adjust accordingly. The other thing is while I don't find the vape as nice off a PWM chipped device it is consistent throughout the battery life, which can't be said about a mech.
Short answer - by the pool its a sub ohm mech - drop it in the pool, who cares.
Short answer - by the pool its a sub ohm mech - drop it in the pool, who cares.
I agree and w/ maraud about different types of power supply in the high watt boxes. the super deluxe Vicious Ant 120w has PWM and its not as smooth and clean as the Raptor.
Tayonne the Raptor seems to have zero problems with chain vaping at any wattage.
and yes there's a divide between
1. tanks at around .8 to 1.+ ohm vapes (which i agree are great)
2. Mid sub ohms RDA around .5 to .7 or .8
3. Under .4 ohms
They all are different and need the right atty, the right setup, and power range.
High watts boxes are not necessary but I like the luxury of a wide range. In my case I'm mostly in the .4 to .5 range and that takes a lot of batt capacity (not as much as super low ohms).
Tayonne the Raptor seems to have zero problems with chain vaping at any wattage.
and yes there's a divide between
1. tanks at around .8 to 1.+ ohm vapes (which i agree are great)
2. Mid sub ohms RDA around .5 to .7 or .8
3. Under .4 ohms
They all are different and need the right atty, the right setup, and power range.
High watts boxes are not necessary but I like the luxury of a wide range. In my case I'm mostly in the .4 to .5 range and that takes a lot of batt capacity (not as much as super low ohms).
lol tayone. the thread is about regulated vs mech.. its a old thread that was recently re-awoken, btw
no, my sub-argument about rda vs tanks specifically excludes non-rebuildables. this isnt about Nautilus's!
so, pbasaurdo's video with Brandon and John@Evolve suggested.. the next iteration will be manageable HEAT. which is what watts, or work at a coil, translates to. I think vapor production is the combo of heat and air, i think flavor profiles are about heat and air, and maybe chimney/ re condensation of heated vapor before delivery..
mechs are legacy, becasue until recently, no regulated device could generate the heat.. that the mech does. thats what drove sub ohming. volts are stable. ohms law
P (watts ) = v*v/r
with the intro of engineering, and evolve and others, new ways to manage aspects to attain heat, plus safety!
I use both. I enjoy my mechs, I enjoy my regulated devices. I am excited that new approaches are coming!
"some of us tried to hold onto our old ideas, but the result was nil, until we let go absolutely"
I celebrate whats next! while still enjoying the use of known quantities.. mechanical.
no, my sub-argument about rda vs tanks specifically excludes non-rebuildables. this isnt about Nautilus's!
so, pbasaurdo's video with Brandon and John@Evolve suggested.. the next iteration will be manageable HEAT. which is what watts, or work at a coil, translates to. I think vapor production is the combo of heat and air, i think flavor profiles are about heat and air, and maybe chimney/ re condensation of heated vapor before delivery..
mechs are legacy, becasue until recently, no regulated device could generate the heat.. that the mech does. thats what drove sub ohming. volts are stable. ohms law
P (watts ) = v*v/r
with the intro of engineering, and evolve and others, new ways to manage aspects to attain heat, plus safety!
I use both. I enjoy my mechs, I enjoy my regulated devices. I am excited that new approaches are coming!
"some of us tried to hold onto our old ideas, but the result was nil, until we let go absolutely"
I celebrate whats next! while still enjoying the use of known quantities.. mechanical.
Vapor is heat and airflow like you said but also surface area. As far as rebuildable tanks, IMO tanks (Genesis Style) can't handle anything below .4 ohms and be able to wick fast enough, so for the argument of tanks a regulated device pushing 50+ watts could be powered higher with a regulated device. But, for RDAs, I don't think a regulated device is going to compete at lower sub ohms for power.
I'm not sure how many people would agree or disagree, but one thing I prefer about using a mechanical mod over a regulated device is that my wattage and performance is based off how I build my coils, and it's more fun and a challenge IMO, compared to building a simple coil and cranking the watts up to 100+ watts, I think that takes the fun out of building. I also love the simplicity of mechs and the smaller size over regulated devices, like many people. There are other people including myself that don't like the look of an LCD screen.
I don't see mechs ever being extinct, even with the progress that regulated devices have made. If one day, high powered regulated devices could offer a smaller foot print like a mech and have the same reliability, and better aesthetics and a more reasonable price tag then there can be a real battle IMO.
Well if the Raptor chip can do that, it's a great improvement. I hear many people say that their vape is consistent from the time they have a fully charged battery until their device wouldn't allow a vape, but in my experience, I noticed that after a certain percentage the vape wasn't nearly as strong and I could say it sucked.
For you it may not be necessary, but it is nice to have options like you said. In California the speed limit is 65 mph, but I would never buy a car that maxed out at 65.
As far as you listing the different ohms, I don't get the point you were trying to make about it???
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