Cig like draw and nic salt questions

[Grego25]

Question is the 2nd paragraph.
I've tried a few different devices over the past 3 years and always go back to cigs. I think it's a combination of any juice I've tried over 3mg tasting nasty to me and not being able to keep them in my pocket. I've been looking at pods the last couple days after they've worked for a couple friends. My research brought nic salts to my attention. The combination of these two seem like it might work out.
I see people talking about a tight or loose mtl draw but not really how they compare to a cig draw. Any thoughts on this?
Coming from a little less than a pack a day habit what's a good nic level? I am thinking 24 to 35.
I like the idea of keeping it simple and draw activated over something with a button. Are there any drawbacks?
Thanks all

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[SonnyCooL]

for me i prefer button/push to vape, cause draw activate might cause auto fire n all sort firing issue (my pass experience)

 

[Grego25]

I honestly thought it would be less likely to auto fire than a button

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[SonnyCooL]

I honestly thought it would be less likely to auto fire than a button

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button is accidentally press not fail.
Draw activate is function fail and no fix.

 

[tdman77]

The GeekVape Flint is a very nice MTL system. I would recommend 35mg or higher if you are just coming off cigs. The higher mg will give you the nicotine rush you feel when smoking. When I first started vaping I was given bad advice and went with lower nic mg and was never satisfied with the vape and went back to cigs for that nic rush. With the new nic-salts you can get that nic rush without the nasty throat hit. But honestly I would recommend a VW mod with a MTL tank for some just coming off cigs. Just stay with the higher mg until you can kick the cig habit.

 

[bombastinator]

Question is the 2nd paragraph.
I've tried a few different devices over the past 3 years and always go back to cigs. I think it's a combination of any juice I've tried over 3mg tasting nasty to me and not being able to keep them in my pocket.

That would definitely do it.

I've been looking at pods the last couple days after they've worked for a couple friends. My research brought nic salts to my attention. The combination of these two seem like it might work out.

Might being the operative word. I personally would try to find out if you have the same flavor problems with salts before dropping cash on a device. So far as I can personally tell there’s no flavor difference. YMMV though of course.
One thing worth knowing is there are several kinds of salts. JUUL did the only research on their version and patented it. Many acids can be mixed with nicotine though to form a salt, and they’re all just called “salts”.

I see people talking about a tight or loose mtl draw but not really how they compare to a cig draw. Any thoughts on this?

Tight. Very tight.

Coming from a little less than a pack a day habit what's a good nic level? I am thinking 24 to 35.

Sounds about right. It’s hard to really predict though. Different pods have wildly different amounts of vapor production.

I like the idea of keeping it simple and draw activated over something with a button. Are there any drawbacks?

Not so much anymore. When ecigs first came out they were all automatics. The problem was the manufacturers also believed that their vacuum switches couldn’t be affected by juice.
They were wrong.
The early automatics were so unreliable that automatics almost disappeared. They’re much better now though. The biggest drawback is the thing won’t fire until you inhale. This reduces control. A coil that doesn’t come to heat basically instantly won’t work well. As a result automatics generally have tiny little microcoils with tiny little vapor production. This means stronger juice is needed and the coils themselves are prone to failure. It also means the wick is often silica, and there are possible safety issues with silica. It’s why the vape industry moved to cotton some years ago.
IMHO the biggest advantage of an automatic switch is you can hold the thing in your mouth and vape hands free. This can be a big deal. Manufacturers are still a bit slow on this one and a lot of automatics come in weird shapes you can’t hold with your lips.

 

[United States]

I'd say it depends on the cigarettes you smoke.
Full strength, light or ultralight.

Full strength would necessitate a higher amount of nicotine and lots of production to mimic the throat hit. A Juul type device is good with it's strong nicotine and thinner juice via 50% polyglycol.

Light would necessitate a milder juice, perhaps 12-18ml of nic in a 60-70% VG juice. An Innokin EQ does well there. (Has a fire button).

Ultralight could use a 6-9ml juice at 60-80% vg using a Rennova Zero

Contrary to popular belief, pods do not require the high doses of nicotine at all times. And draw activated has gotten pretty good so long as no juice seeps from the tank and causes electrical contact issues. If it happens you just wipe off the contacts and you are good to go.

Fire buttons require timing for a draw versus pushing/releasing the button and if you don't consistently time it you get weak or strong hits instead of same amount from a draw activated.

Best regards.

 

[stols001]

I'd say 100% nic salts.

For you? If you have tried over and over and over? I might recommend the Juul for a while then transitioning to something else once you have quit.

Ecigs don't draw like cigarettes, period. In my humble opinion and I have tried the Berserker and that is like the tightest draw around practically.

The good news is, I think it's lack of nicotine causing your problems more than the draw. After awhile, you just develop a preference. I started with a fairly tight draw and it has loosened a bit although I am still in the MTL camp.

The act of inhaling and getting a reward from it is what makes ecigs work (IMHO) not EXACTLY the draw, although I'm still never going to blow gigantic clouds, etc. But I don't think it's really JUST the draw, at all. IDK.

Anna

 

[charlie1465]

Welcome and good to here that you've chosen to live

Imo a pod will be best for you to start like the juul which seems to have the reputation for a cig like draw. Another good choice would be the Vladdin RE as its refillable where as the juul isn't.

And as others have said definitely start with 36mg/ml salt nic or higher. I wish that had been around when i first gave up When I first started vaping I had to have something that was like a cig so my vaping journey was (at first) all about chasing tobacco flavours and throat hit. Actually it's a pretty impossible thing to get right. Flavours like torque 56 and tribecca were the best I could find...the company was Halo. Don't know if you can get these 2 flavours in salt nic though.

I guess you're in the USA? If European you can't get salts above 20mg/ml unless you mix and make them yourself which I do.

I wish you good luck

 

[Zazie]

Welcome and good to here that you've chosen to live

Flavours like torque 56 and tribecca were the best I could find...the company was Halo. Don't know if you can get these 2 flavours in salt nic though.

You can. I'd also recommend Freedom Juice from Halo. It tastes very like a cheap cigarette. Prime 15 is pretty good, too. For me, Torque had more of a brown tobacco taste (i.e., like Player's or even Gauloises). Tribeca, though my favorite of Halo's tobaccos, is quite sweet and butterscotchy.

 

[tdman77]

I found the coffee flavor vapes gave me more of that burnt taste like a cig when I first started. I find most tobacco flavors taste like chewing tobacco. Keep trying you have everything to gain.

 

[Grego25]

Thanks for all the responses. A local shop has the eq for a pretty good deal and I like to support local business if the cost difference is reasonable. I'm also going to talk to my sitter when I pick up the kids. She recently quit with one and her son works at another local shop so I assume he got her set up with something decent.

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[drysprocket]

I love draw activation, and think it's ideal for someone just coming from cigs. Sadly, most of the best stuff uses a fire button. I'd suggest getting a solid fire button one as well. If a friend of mine was quitting, I'd probably get them one of each, both with tight draws. They draw fire ones are usually cheap enough just to try out.

I just find that draw fire to give that extra cig-lip pucker sensation that mimics better than button fire. But in short, I'd say the answer is both.

 

[Grego25]

That pucker sensation is exactly what I was thinking about the draw activated ones plus like you said they're cheap.
As far as mtl tanks I've had a kayfun lite v2 clone that I really liked and a joyetech aio that I didn't. It's almost like the aio was airy and restricted at the same time but didn't produce a thick enough cloud if I remember right. My toptank mini was the same way but a little looser. The kayfun clone was smooth and had a nice thick cloud. Just a pain to carry around, refill a little screwdriver to refill and not the easiest to wick right.

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[Vicman]

The EQ is an awesome system with a tight draw. It is button activated but is real simple and reliable. Very little spit back from juice and is one of the easiest to fill.

If that doesn't work, I would recommend the Ronova Zero. It's draw is not as tight as the EQ but it hits many of your other wants. It is small pod system which is draw activated, and has 3 power levels which helps dial in the vape to what is satisfying to you. The form factor is something that doesn't get enough credit as this thing sits between the pointer and middle finger just like a cigar would. It helps with that hand to mouth thing most smokers struggle with. I have many pod systems in my daily rotation but always have a Zero with me. Right now I have one with 35mg nic salts. The others have regular freebase nic juice at 18mg.

 

[Grego25]

So I was asking the people I mentioned before and got to try a suorin ishare with 35 I believe was a nic salt juice. That thing was awesome and I could feel the nicotine from a couple quick puffs. They had a smok novo laying around and told me to take it and see how I like it. It has a 18 regular nic juice that I didn't care for but they had another bottle of a different flavor same nic. I am running a half refill to flush the coil then maybe look for a nic salt 35.

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[Grego25]

Update I'm down to about 5 cigs a day. I tried to set a realistic goal of using the pod at work for a few weeks and then reevaluate. Been using it most of the time at home too. Honestly I think I could completely quit right now but just don't want to push it too much and regress. People seem to have bad opinions about smok products and maybe the novo isn't the best choice out there but it's working and that's what counts. I appreciate all the help

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[bombastinator]

Update I'm down to about 5 cigs a day. I tried to set a realistic goal of using the pod at work for a few weeks and then reevaluate. Been using it most of the time at home too. Honestly I think I could completely quit right now but just don't want to push it too much and regress. People seem to have bad opinions about smok products and maybe the novo isn't the best choice out there but it's working and that's what counts. I appreciate all the help

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In all fairness SMOK’s reputation was earned primarily with replacable battery mods. It’s attys are considered largely solid, and I haven’t seen the same complaints with its pod systems.

 

[SonnyCooL]

Update I'm down to about 5 cigs a day. I tried to set a realistic goal of using the pod at work for a few weeks and then reevaluate. Been using it most of the time at home too. Honestly I think I could completely quit right now but just don't want to push it too much and regress. People seem to have bad opinions about smok products and maybe the novo isn't the best choice out there but it's working and that's what counts. I appreciate all the help

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i would rather stop completely (analog) than reducing ....... i find this way is better than hybrid.

 

[bombastinator]

i would rather stop completely (analog) than reducing ....... i find this way is better than hybrid.

The impression I get is it does work better, generally. Everyone is different though, so YMMV