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Makes sense. Counterfitters fake whatever sells well, and smok has by far the biggest sales network. Might help to explain some of smok’s terrible reliability reputation. I’ve always found that one a bit inexplicable. I mean I do know quality control is the manufacturing section with the least efficiency increases and consequently becomes a larger and larger percentage of manufacturing cost, but it’s just as important as it’s always been. smok damages it’s brand badly by making unreliable equipment.
no smok mods straight for smok still mess up tbh the clones ar probably better made
I’ve actually seen that happen. I got a counterfeit EHpro (which by definition was a clone of something else) squonk top a few years ago and it was actually I understand the best version of all three.
i hear ya i never used to do clones but now they are sometimes made better than the true,, cloners even listen to reviewers and take out the flaws in a couple of attys iv had i cant remember what ones now i give a lot of stuff away if i find something better...but they were $20 max for a clone $60+ for the orig, the clones even had better machining crazy stuff mate
The irony is at that point the clone maker might do better by actually advertising its product as BEING a clone rather than the origional.i hear ya i never used to do clones but now they are sometimes made better than the true,, cloners even listen to reviewers and take out the flaws in a couple of attys iv had i cant remember what ones now i give a lot of stuff away if i find something better...but they were $20 max for a clone $60+ for the orig, the clones even had better machining crazy stuff mate
Supposing for example that this clone nord in question is actually better vaping and better made than the origional nord: stop calling your product something worse than it is. Call it a nord improved by (whoever it is that made it better) fricken sign the thing even.
if u have serious problem with SMOK, you should avoid any smok THREAD, hatred damage might be worst than analog ....
I have irritation problems with SMOK. It’s extremely common here. They make mods with a lot of features for less money than other companies. The cost historically has been serious reliability issues. They could change at any time. It is possible, for example that the nord, being newer than other previous SMOK products, will not have the reliability issues that seem to so badly dog many earlier SMOK products. The alien and the priv in particular seem to both have way way more complaints than they should. A fairly large percentage of new member posts seem to start with some variant of “my SMOK mod broke, can anyone help?” It has been mentioned that part of this may be that SMOK simply sells more devices than anyone else by a large margin due to massive retailer advantage. Something like a third of vape shops I have visited sell ONLY SMOK devices. What I also see though is that generally this happens when the retailer is new to vaping products. I also notice that these same retailers fairly rapidly STOP selling SMOK products over the course of a year or so. I also see basically nearly every other poster here either complaining about or flat out ridiculing SMOK.
Your argument seems to be that calling out a major retailer on what from every angle I have been able to see looks like extremely bad product reliability will for some reason damage vaping in general.
I ask you which is worse? Doing so or not doing so? SMOK is what most new vapers buy, because it’s for all intents and purposes all they are allowed to buy. The market share gradient is that high, at least as far as I can tell.
Product quality or no product quality most new vape shops seem to start out as SMOK only outlets. I do not know why this is so. It probably has something to do with the way SMOK markets to new vape store owners. I am not a vape store owner (though I suspect there are a few around here) I have no information. From what I have personally seen though, these same shops fairly quickly stop being SMOK only shops and often wind up carrying few or no SMOK products at all. I asked once why a given shop no longer carried SMOK product and was told it was simply too expensive to do. It’s a very small sample. It does dovetail with things I have heard about on this site though.
If these new vapers have their first vape product disintegrate on them in mere weeks or months, as many SMOK users seem to report, do they blame SMOK or do they blame vaping in general?
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