Cloud-Chasers are Evil People

[CookieMonster225]

I agree there are those that feel they are elitist and above the rest of us. I say it's best to teach people so they don't hurt themselves. I also strongly agree that it's all about situational awareness. At home I blow huge clouds with my dripper and fill my entire house if I want to. Key word being my house. In bars, outdoors, and in my truck I use my Caravela/ RSST at .8ohms. Then at work or in large crowds ect, I use my Provari and kayfun or Aero tank. It's all about what you let people see, don't come off as a jackass blowing clouds in a restaurant. And as a rule of thumb, don't vape where you can't smoke.

 

[Skarletkisses]

Don't let this thread hurt your heart... It was meant to have a conversation about some controversialish topic within our community. I think that only good can arise from challenging our points of view from inside the vaping community.

Let's have a vape Skarletkisses!

Haha you're on sweety.

 

[Vermonster13]

Let's ban cars. A lot of clueless drivers get hurt and hurt others every year. Far more than any "possible" vaping incidents ever will.(I say possible since most anti-sub-ohm statements are conjecture on what could happen not what is actually happening).

Folks are nervous and cloud chasing is an easy target as are most minorities. With vapers being such a minority being a reason why we are such a political target.

 

[soysos]

I did observe... And I did not witness negative reactions. That's my whole point.

I tend to get better reactions in public using my .5 ohm cloud chaser than with a 1.5 ohm stealth vape. in my experience the less it looks like a cigarette the more positive the reaction.

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[rurwin]

The only time Ive ever had an issue when I was vaping was at an amusement park and I was vaping in a crowd waiting for the trolley to take us to our cars. I failed to see a 5 year old nearby whos parent picked him up and cradled him protectively in his arms like he was trying to shield him from a blow.

That reminds me of when I'm taking our dog for a walk off the lead in the local park. Quite often someone with a dinky little toy dog will pick them up. Whether that's because they don't trust mine or they don't trust theirs I have no idea.

With ever-increasing watt limits on regulated mods, sub-ohm and cloud-chasing may very well get divorced before long. A DNA 30 can hit the same power as a 0.6 ohm coil on a mech. The Taifun Eye can give a half-second boost at the start of a puff to heat the coil faster. I give it another year before sub-ohm is retro.

 

[Blackboar]

It all comes down to timing. I love vaping my sub-ohm set ups, I love the flavor it gives me, the warm vape, and the amount of vapor. But where you use that set up is important. When I smoked, I really enjoyed a nice cigar every once in a while. But I smoked that cigar at a cigar lounge/bar, at home, or a friend's house. If I went to the local Starbucks, I just smoked a cigarette. Why? Because it's less offensive to the people around me.

If everyone took the time to think about where they are blowing their clouds, and where they shouldn't, then cloud chasing would not have such a stigma.

The other thing that stereotypes sub-ohmers is the ones that feel it should become an adrenaline sport. Sub-ohming is not and never will be in the X-games. It's not a contest of how close you can get to blowing yourself up. It's about finding a vape that you favor.

 

[Weizenheimer]

This one time at ECF, we vaporized a horse

 

[Spencer87]

I think it appears bad. I mean, let's say vapers had No cloud, they can't tell us where we can use it as much. People worry, what's in the cloud when they see it. I hate that they even regulate these now. They should allow them on airplanes

 

[seahawkin]

Lets see. I am in the 'harm reduction whatever works for you camp'. My problem comes from overwhelming folks just looking to quit or shaming others that are doing just fine with ego type set ups to get the best newest thing. Heck if it can save my life and I have fun with it woot, but some folks don't like RBAs or some such.

 

[Vaslovik]

I guess we are going to belabor the cloud chasing issue further. I don't know, it's not something I've seen at all where I live. Perhaps it's a regional thing, or a fad in certain other locales, but as common as vaping is here I've never yet seen anyone blowing big clouds in public other than guys working in vape stores. To me it's just a non-issue. I know full well certain non-vapers will readily make an issue of anyone vaping at all, because to them it *looks* enough like smoking that they feel they can be nasty to the vapers, and they really do need someone to be nasty to. My best guess, they are miserable people leading empty lives and filled with internalized self-loathing that they desperately need to externalize on someone.

 

[Vaslovik]

I think it appears bad. I mean, let's say vapers had No cloud, they can't tell us where we can use it as much. People worry, what's in the cloud when they see it. I hate that they even regulate these now. They should allow them on airplanes

I think if someone invented glasses that let you see other people's breath as they exhale lots of people would buy them, and then start getting nasty with anyone who breathed into their personal airspace. A wave of indignation would sweep through society, and some would lobby for new laws protecting their personal breathing space from others. Why should they have to inhale the air that was just in your lungs! What an outrage! Yeah.... same thing.

 

[treehead]

My opinion about cloud chasing somewhat changed. I believe that if it is done safely, and as long as you don't vape where you are not suppose to (another touchy subject), there is really no problem with it.
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I'm a sub-ohm'ing, cloud chasing monster, but only because I hate vaping, and I'm currently trying to melt my face off just to give the FDA another reason, so far my plan has yet to succeed, all of my .01 coils keep popping before my battery explodes (which I always keep next to my face). I've also been experimenting with using 35mg juice as my daily lotion all-over, gives me a good buzz! I'm thinking about building a 24ga paralle micro coil around .02 ohms, and switching to 18350's just so there's a better chance of detonation. So far my mod has gotten really hot, but no dice, I'll be a sacrificial example soon, of why nobody should vape!

~Just playin , I'm sure there's the odd teenager with an IQ around 70 or below that likes to "build low coils" without checking anything, or knowing the math. But I'd say 99.9% of us lower ohming "cloud chasers" are very safe, in fact since you have to know your way around ohms law, physics, battery chemistry, and other factors that play into not only safe, but effective cloud chasing (there's incentive to make bigger clouds, as well as being safe, so even the idiot has to learn at some point ) I'd say most cloud chasers are some of the safest vapers out there.

-Heck I remember when I had my aspire nautilus, and I didn't know anything about batteries, I was pushing my poor spinner at the max 6 volts, and it was getting quite warm. I didn't even realize how dangerous that was, simply because I THOUGHT I was in safe territory.

Awesome post brother, and for the record, I agree, anybody who cloud chases near others in public is a total tool. I think that's one of the quickest ways for it to get banned, having legions of vapers roaming the restaurants and libraries and fogging up the place, that's not cool. And all it takes is one hometown favorite restaurant on the news to say "Those darn kids won't stop blowing vapor, they have the law on their side, so there's nothing we can do!".
-Be safe
-Do math
-Be ladies and gentleman
-If you hurt yourself don't tell anybody, it's your fault. Say your ipod blew up lol. (Just kidding don't blow anything up in the first place, it's nearly impossible.)
-Make the biggest vape you've ever had. With big vapor comes big flavor.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I have no issues with cloud chasers. The only vapers I have issues with are likely to be the same type of person I'd have an issue with no matter what group they belong in. Every group has them. I'm talking about the you know whats. The type of person who thinks they know what's best for everyone else. The type who have no consideration for anyone around them It doesn't matter what device they're using, or how large the cloud they're blowing is. If they're doing it where they know they shouldn't, after being asked not to... Well, that's an issue. Regardless of whether or not vapor is harmful to bystanders (I firmly believe it is not), I fail to see the benefit behind vaping where and when you've been asked not to.

That said, I think the issue of "vapers blowing huge clouds everywhere!!!" is being a bit exaggerated on these forums. I have yet to encounter a vaper in the wild who was blowing massive clouds in enclosed areas. Sure, there are those here who encourage this type of behavior to "fight the man", and sure, I've disagreed with them, but I haven't seen it in real life. This is only one person's anecdotal evidence of course, but I commute from Staten Island to Midtown Manhattan Monday through Friday on public transportation, and I've never, ever, encountered this in the last 2 years that I've been making that commute. Aside from the council meeting in NYC where they were in the process of banning e-cigarettes to smoking areas, but there was a point to that.

 

[Vaslovik]

That said, I think the issue of "vapers blowing huge clouds everywhere!!!" is being a bit exaggerated on these forums. I have yet to encounter a vaper in the wild who was blowing massive clouds in enclosed areas. Sure, there are those here who encourage this type of behavior to "fight the man", and sure, I've disagreed with them, but I haven't seen it in real life.

Same here, I've never once seen it, and I think it's a straw-man issue from the start. It was good for a couple of lively threads, but I can't see the point of grinding on about it.

 

[HauntedMyst]

I think that the antz are antz no matter what you are doing.

I think it's cuz it burns when they pee. Makes them cranky.

 

[Chelonian]

Same here, I've never once seen it, and I think it's a straw-man issue from the start. It was good for a couple of lively threads, but I can't see the point of grinding on about it.

I agree with the not grinding on it.

Rest assured, however, there are folks out there like that. I personally, have only run across one, but my wife, who is a bartender, sees them about once a month.

 

[soysos]

I don't understand this issue with trying to be discrete in public places. Be respectful but be open about what your doing. The more we behave like this is shameful the more people will shame us for doing it. I've also been known to sit at the bar with my 40 watt lung buster and have yet to have an issue. My all day rig is 0.5 ohms, I've used it in malls, coffee shops, fast food restaurants, movie theater lobby, never had a problem there either. In a full service restaurant I'll either use it in the bathroom or go outside, and I draw the line at the theater itself. Just be mindful of the people around you and don't blow in their faces, if anyone asks you to put it away do so, and if there is a posted sign follow it.

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[B1sh0p]

I've changed my perspective on "cloud chasers"....somewhat.

To become a cloud chaser, one had to be a sub-ohm vaper, and generally this also meant an ultra-low sub-ohm vaper. So in my way of thinking, cloud chasing was synonomous with sub-ohming. My beef was with those vapers who were either ignorant of the potential battery safety issues of sub-ohm vaping (using batteries not equipped to do sub-ohms safely), or those who know better yet rationalized their reckless behavior by saying they had been vaping at their battery's limits and they hadn't blown up their face yet, so that meant what they were doing was ok.

I've recently adopted a more leanient attitude towards cloud chasers and sub-ohm vaping, as has PBusardo recently. Not that long ago he stated, "Sometimes, just because you can (subohm/chase clouds), doesn't mean you should." Over time, he has changed his perspective. PBusardo: Some Thoughts on Sub-Ohm Safety

Our resident battery authority, forum manager Rolygate has some interesting thoughts on the current batteries available for sub-ohm vaping. Modern battery technology has come a long way in just the last year or two. Sub-Ohm Advisory

So, if everyone who is sub-ohming uses a 30 amp battery, perhaps all the fear-mongering we used to do is not really necessary. I believe if one does sub-ohms responsibly they can be considered reasonably safe. I have recently joined the fold myself - I'm currently vaping a 0.5 ohm dual coil powered by a 30 amp battery.

As others have pointed out, there's a time and a place for cloud chasing. At home or in a vape shop is one thing. In a public restaurant, grocery store, or movie theater is another.

So you're saying I won?

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I don't understand this issue with trying to be discrete in public places. Be respectful but be open about what your doing. The more we behave like this is shameful the more people will shame us for doing it. I've also been known to sit at the bar with my 40 watt lung buster and have yet to have an issue. My all day rig is 0.5 ohms, I've used it in malls, coffee shops, fast food restaurants, movie theater lobby, never had a problem there either. In a full service restaurant I'll either use it in the bathroom or go outside, and I draw the line at the theater itself. Just be mindful of the people around you and don't blow in their faces, if anyone asks you to put it away do so, and if there is a posted sign follow it.

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Not so much discreet as respectful. What I'm saying is, why be rude if you don't have to be? If someone asks that you stop in an indoor space, or if you specifically know its prohibited to vape in that space then it's just plain rude to do it. Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Say there's this woman, or man spraying copious amounts of perfume, cologne, etc... You're trying to eat a meal, or you're in a meeting with this person, or whatever in an enclosed space. You ask that they stop. They just continue, all while telling you of the health benefits of the perfume, air freshner, etc. Would you consider that to be rude? There IS a smell to vapor. There IS a haze around the area for a moment. It may not linger as long, or smell as bad as cigarettes, but if the person just continues after being asked not to it's just rude.

Please understand I don't believe that the same LAWS should be applied to vaping as they are applied to smoking. However, if a business owner does not want to allow people to vape on their property, that should be up to them. Same goes for the employer. If they do not wish to have vapor in the office, then employees should not vape in the office. That doesn't mean I agree with any anti nicotine policy some employers and insurance companies are coming up with to lower insurance rates. What someone does at home is their business. When on someone else's property, in someone else's space, that someone else should be respected. On my property and in my space, I expect to be respected as well. As for public land - outdoors to me is fair game. Inside a government building however, seems as inappropriate to me as it would be inappropriate to vape during a meeting.

 

[Orobas]

Have you ever known one of those people, then try to make a competition out of every little thing that you do ever in your life? One of those people who want to race you to the car, one of those people that want to cajole you into a drinking contest, one of those people who was always spamming you for player versus player duels in your favorite video game. Everybody has known one of those people, and if you haven't, you probably are that person. Inevitably you will be picked on or made fun of if you lose, or if you eventually declined to play altogether. This is the sort of stuff that the overly aggressive sub ohm vapers remind me of. I don't appreciate the condescension. Vaping is not a competition. I am no less legit just because I am perfectly happy vaping two ohms at 6 watts. We are all in this together. And whatever works for you is the best set up you could possibly have.

I feel the same way about this as I do about the "just get a provari" people. It has nothing to do with my opinion on the device, or the method, and everything to do with the attitude of the vocal fanboys. But, I also have a healthy dose of stubborn, pigheaded contrariness.