Cloud-Chasers are Evil People

[Marc411]

Out of curiosity, did you heard comments about cloud chasing specifically or general vaping?

I think that the antz are antz no matter what you are doing.

Does it really matter?

I've had the same conversations with people as crxess and that in itself is part of the problem. Now some of those folks are not truly educated on how we have improved our quality of life by walking away from cigs but I don't really think they care! They have their own agenda, we just need not to put ammo in their guns (sorry Baditude, nice avatar though)

 

[bussdriver]

When I see vapers (or so they say) argue against cloud chasing, or in general enjoying their vape, start to attack other vapers for their vaping style, I can only say that I begin to not care. I vape 1.8 ohm on a mechanical, or sometimes I vape 0.35 ohm. I don't blow huge clouds in Wallyworld, but I occasionally enjoy the cloud. But, when we begin to attack one another and say that people like me are destroying it for everyone else, I have to take exception.

Regulations against us? Well, I guess we deserve it and we must take it on the chin. We must have asked for it. we deserve it, and I must say that regulation and legislation against us is well deserved. Hope you like it. Makes me really not care about the impending regulations and pretty much stops me in my tracks.

 

[crxess]

Out of curiosity, did you heard comments about cloud chasing specifically or general vaping?

I think that the antz are antz no matter what you are doing.

you mean like - < Some of those things put out so much smoke >
or -< He looks like he just inhaled a whole cigarette >

Yea, ANTZ are ANTZ and that will never change, but surprisingly they do not mess with me.
Unfortunately they are the loudest of our opponents and use any example possible to make their point.

Just so the readers understand - I am sitting at my laptop at home enjoying my Omega Quad Coil and yes it generates great clouds. I have never felt the need to take it out in public. I have plenty of other satisfying gear for that.
I even make my own 70/30 e-liquid for work. Excellent flavor and no real need for a cloud to know I got my hit.

Construction site - I can relate
In my position - a worker stopping to speak to another employee can be dismissed for stealing company time.

Life is NOT so cut and dry as some of the posters here would like to believe.

 

[havok333]

Similar to Baditude, I used keep my wattage rather low (10-12 watts) too. When I built first subohm coil it was 0.6 and the vapor way to warm for my liking. A week or so later tried again and figured out to position the coil correctly and it was a world of difference. I subohm all the time now EXCEPT when at work or away from the house.

Don't vape at all in any place that hasn't given express consent, so no stealth vaping in stores, theaters, etc. At friends' homes they don't mind and I usually take the mech/dripper.

Supervisors and coworkers at the office don't mind my vaping and probably like that I don't take CIG breaks all the time any more. I was taking the drippers to work or a while until one day was with a couple vaping coworkers drinking coffee just outside my office. We were horsing around and blowing clouds when the building fire alarm went off! Building evacuated all 500 staff as usual when we have fire drills all three of us really were concerned that our vapor clouds tripped the alarm. The detection was came from the sensor just outside my office as it turned out. Heard later in the week that our brand new fire alarm system was found to have problems that had been corrected and no alarms have been tripped yet. That was 3 weeks ago. Been vaping since with my old non-cloud setup of Provari and AGA-T2 about 11 watts just in case. I think the new alarm system was set so sensitive that the vapor had to have set it off. Too big a coincidence. Was even asked if anyone had sprayed aerosol of any type just before the alarm!

I confess all this just to illustrate that our vaping can cause unintended consequences. Would have never thought a fire alarm could possible go off from vapor but am pretty sure it did in his case. Luckily no flak from my managers, who knew us guys were vaping that day all in one area. I'm just glad we didn't make the news that day, and I can see where that easily could have happened.

My guess is that building management toned down the sensitivity thinking someone sprayed air freshener.

Food for thought guys.

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[SpyderBite]

I try to vape inconspicuously in public places. Not because I'm worried that people will complain. But more so because I get a little tired of the curiosity. I love spreading the word but explaining it to a dozen different people when I just sat down for one beer. :/

 

[Chelonian]

In my area, vaping is surprisingly prevalent.

My wife works in the service industry, and she vapes. The only times she has seen problems with vaping, it's a in your face, it's not illegal, I do what I want type that is blowing clouds where families are eating. Vaping is not banned where she works, as a matter of fact, people are welcome to vape.

I work in robotics. When I go onto a client's floor, there are often smokers. Smokers vape. You look down the line, I will notice several vapers. There will be one blowing truly impressive clouds, drawing attention to an activity, that strictly speaking, he is not being paid to do.

So it's not cloud chasing - it's common sense. It just seems, in my experience, that when there is a problem with vaping, huge clouds are involved.

 

[Myrany]

I do not think cloud chaser are evil. I do think cloud chasers who have not done their homework to do it safely are foolish.

I do not think vaping in public is evil be it cloud chasing or more subdued clouds. I do think there are right and wrong times and places to do either one. For example taking any kind of a puff of vape in a daycare center is probably not a good idea. Walking through a parking lot to get to your car? Have at it.

 

[nebulas]

Out of curiosity, did you heard comments about cloud chasing specifically or general vaping?

I think that the antz are antz no matter what you are doing.

People who don't vape aren't talking about cloud chasers and sub ohm builds. Most likely because they don't know about it. Why would they know about building coils and all the intricate details us vapers pay attention to so that we can squeeze that last drop of satisfaction into our vaping experience.

When they see a cloud chaser, they only see a vaper. That cloud chaser is representing all of us, from their point of view. When someone blows a huge cloud in a public crowd, they don't think "why do they build coils to blow such big clouds". To them, its not about the build but that is just how ecigs work.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against cloud chasers. Chase away. I am all for people doing what they want. I am just trying to look at things from the other perspective is all.

 

[Skarletkisses]

It is fascinating to me to see the harsh drop off point here. Coming in as a beginner I was welcomed into a culture dill of information and nurturing energy, people desperate to share their experiences and their passion. To follow this feed hurts my heart. Where did it go? Opposition is met with anger and control and resentment? Come on....

 

[nebulas]

It is fascinating to me to see the harsh drop off point here. Coming in as a beginner I was welcomed into a culture dill of information and nurturing energy, people desperate to share their experiences and their passion. To follow this feed hurts my heart. Where did it go? Opposition is met with anger and control and resentment? Come on....

I understand where you are coming from; although, I never picked up on any anger in this thread. We don't always see things from the same point of view. We learn from each other by expressing our points of view to one another. I change my mind on things I read from this forum all the time. A disagreement can be a wonderful thing. Thats how we grow.

 

[danca90]

I sub ohm at home for fun, but out and about is too much work.

 

[Skarletkisses]

I understand where you are coming from; although, I never picked up on any anger in this thread. We don't always see things from the same point of view. We learn from each other by expressing our points of view to one another. I change my mind on things I read from this forum all the time. A disagreement can be a wonderful thing. Thats how we grow.

I totally appreciate it. It just seems an elusive community. I wasn't a caper two weeks ago and now I'm building. Two weeks ago if someone in a store even blew a puff of smoke I would have looked on incredulously and now I could be called a cloud chaser. I just hope to maintain an outsiders perspective. And that is not to say that tons of people on the forum aren't.

 

[nebulas]

I totally appreciate it. It just seems an elusive community. I wasn't a caper two weeks ago and now I'm building. Two weeks ago if someone in a store even blew a puff of smoke I would have looked on incredulously and now I could be called a cloud chaser. I just hope to maintain an outsiders perspective. And that is not to say that tons of people on the forum aren't.

You could call me a cloud chaser too.

But I don't do the sub ohm thing. I don't see the point. But like I said, I change my mind on things all the time, so who knows what I will be doing 6 months from now.

 

[Fisheeboy]

It is fascinating to me to see the harsh drop off point here. Coming in as a beginner I was welcomed into a culture dill of information and nurturing energy, people desperate to share their experiences and their passion. To follow this feed hurts my heart. Where did it go? Opposition is met with anger and control and resentment? Come on....

Don't fret too much over it. I felt the exact same way when I first became an active ECF member. We still love each other just as much as what you first believed. This is normal for ECF. Hang out for a few months and you'll really see some good jabs and snark snarkidy comments. I've learned to embrace the vast plethora of different personalities, preferences, and bull headedness that ECF has to offer.
Bringing it back OT. I Blow some monsters whether I'm puffing my mech at home or my Innokins at work and out and about. I do sub ohm at home because I prefer to keep my mechs at home and I have mixed my at home brews for ample flavor and ample fluffy goodness. But I make a pretty narly cloud while standing behind the cash register at work too. But never in a customers face or general direction. In fact usually not at all when a customer is in the proximity. Not in wallyworld, not in the supermarket. But any where were I feel like I have free domain I let em fly. Not once has my vaping been a problem in public. I do have to keep the window cracked a bit in the car cause I need to see where I'm going though.
But to say that cloud chasing is ruining it for other vapers is just silly in my opinion. And I've only seen that being said by some of the folks around here. I tend to think that as regulations begin to emerge we're gonna see a bigger influx of mech users and then clouds won't been viewed as a phenomena they will be viewed more as the norm. But what do I know? I'm just a fishee.

 

[Dolly Dagger]

It is obnoxious. When I vape in public I try to use a lower vg juice so as not to be noticed, or hold it in a long time so I don't blow a noticeable cloud. Or if I'm at a restaurant blow it towards the floor corner next to me, etc. no one wants to see clouds from smokers and most people will first assume it's smoke, it's just not polite in my opinion to make a spectacle of vaping. (Or make a spectacle of anything, loud obnoxious people are super annoying to me, but that's another subject.) Even with all that people still notice but it's only because I'm sometimes too selfish and careless to wait until I get outside. Cloud chasing is fun at home, outside, parties, etc. but if you want to vape in non smoking places be polite. that's my opinion.

 

[Skarletkisses]

Don't fret too much over it. I felt the exact same way when I first became an active ECF member. We still love each other just as much as what you first believed. This is normal for ECF. Hang out for a few months and you'll really see some good jabs and snark snarkidy comments. I've learned to embrace the vast plethora of different personalities, preferences, and bull headedness that ECF has to offer.
Bringing it back OT. I Blow some monsters whether I'm puffing my mech at home or my Innokins at work and out and about. I do sub ohm at home because I prefer to keep my mechs at home and I have mixed my at home brews for ample flavor and ample fluffy goodness. But I make a pretty narly cloud while standing behind the cash register at work too. But never in a customers face or general direction. In fact usually not at all when a customer is in the proximity. Not in wallyworld, not in the supermarket. But any where were I feel like I have free domain I let em fly. Not once has my vaping been a problem in public. I do have to keep the window cracked a bit in the car cause I need to see where I'm going though.
But to say that cloud chasing is ruining it for other vapers is just silly in my opinion. And I've only seen that being said by some of the folks around here. I tend to think that as regulations begin to emerge we're gonna see a bigger influx of mech users and then clouds won't been viewed as a phenomena they will be viewed more as the norm. But what do I know? I'm just a fishee.

Haha at the end of the day I guess we all have some troll like tendencies (this is the internet). I hope it's all in good fun.
I had never had a name put to it before...cloud chasers. My whole relationship with vaping came from hooka. It was t comparable to cigarets for me until I discovered variable air flow but the whole world opened up when I could experience a mech that hit like a well balanced and delicious cigaret but had the power of a hooka, something resonating and almost pride eliciting.

 

[Steam Turbine]

It is fascinating to me to see the harsh drop off point here. Coming in as a beginner I was welcomed into a culture dill of information and nurturing energy, people desperate to share their experiences and their passion. To follow this feed hurts my heart. Where did it go? Opposition is met with anger and control and resentment? Come on....

Don't let this thread hurt your heart... It was meant to have a conversation about some controversialish topic within our community. I think that only good can arise from challenging our points of view from inside the vaping community.

Let's have a vape Skarletkisses!

 

[zapped]

It is obnoxious. When I vape in public I try to use a lower vg juice so as not to be noticed, or hold it in a long time so I don't blow a noticeable cloud. Or if I'm at a restaurant blow it towards the floor corner next to me, etc. no one wants to see clouds from smokers and most people will first assume it's smoke, it's just not polite in my opinion to make a spectacle of vaping. (Or make a spectacle of anything, loud obnoxious people are super annoying to me, but that's another subject.) Even with all that people still notice but it's only because I'm sometimes too selfish and careless to wait until I get outside. Cloud chasing is fun at home, outside, parties, etc. but if you want to vape in non smoking places be polite. that's my opinion.

What you just described is actually kind of fun for me. Sometimes when Im out I make a game of stealth vaping to see if anyone notices.

Most of the time they dont. The few times Ive had someone comment about it its been positive as well.

The only time Ive ever had an issue when I was vaping was at an amusement park and I was vaping in a crowd waiting for the trolley to take us to our cars. I failed to see a 5 year old nearby whos parent picked him up and cradled him protectively in his arms like he was trying to shield him from a blow.

Never mind the cloying smell of perfume, unwashed bodies and car exhaust that pervaded the area as well.

I probably wouldnt have done that if I had seen the child in the first place but extreme reactions like this have thankfully been rare.

This was several years ago on a cigalike. I can only imagine his reaction if I was sub ohming and blowing massive clouds.

 

[Caffeine7]

This issue keeps coming up in different posts but the issue underneath it all is simply respect for others. It dosent matter if you are blowing fog banks of vape or puffing on an ego setup we need to be respectful of non vapers rights too. It is far better to be respectful and keep the positive aspects of vaping on the forefront instead of being a d-bag because it's harmless vapor. If you're in a crowd or area om with subohm clouds, by all means blow clouds. If you're in the supermarket, maybe hold off. Anyone can fart in a crowded elevator too but that dosent make it right

 

[TheJakeBailey]

It's interesting to me how after having been here for awhile, my opinions have changed. 6 months ago I was just venturing into the world of mechs and fumbling with my first rebuildables. I wouldn't have ventured anywhere near sub ohm territory. My main concern was getting better flavor, and any increased vapor was just a side effect. Since that time, I've gone a little lower and a little lower, but didn't really see much benefit. Then last week I picked up two RDA's that I actually REALLY like! (Tugboat and Stillare) Now I get it! I initially built them at about 1 ohm, and now they are about .8 This weekend i'm going to shoot for .5, and I think that will be my sweet spot. I enjoy the quick heating, shortl drags, and intense flavor. It's fun to have a little cloud action now and again too!

I don't hide a single thing about my vaping. I'm proud to have kicked cigarettes, and will tell anyone who wants to know about them. BUT, I don't vape in places I wouldn't have smoked before. movie theaters, restaurants where doing so is illegal, etc. Walking through a parking lot? Absolutely. Do I bring my drippers out with the other smokers? Hell yes. Outside at a bbq, definitely.

There is a large middle ground between being a cowering simp, and an uncouth Jackal. I find it to be this way with most things in life.