FDA Common misconceptions about FDA regulations ( I hope CASAA will address at some point in the next few weeks)
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Yep the 8 man is also amongst those on my ignore list....
Now I was just thinking and ( yes it hurts) got an urge for a bite to eat, so off I head for the fridge and as I open the door I spot a couple of hard boiled eggs I had done earlier and I think again yep those will do nicely, now I take them and continue to think that the GF just retired for the night and I don't want to make much noise so I continue to think, and I get this brilliant idea.....
I head back to the couch, eggs in hand with a napkin and I spread it out take 1 of 2 eggs in hand grab my mech and precede to crack open the egg, man it worked great..... Not much noise and job got done, so u can ask why would the FDA ban or severely hamper my new EGG opener?
Just to be clear most of this post is done in humor. I hope I at least got a smile....
Now I was just thinking and ( yes it hurts) got an urge for a bite to eat, so off I head for the fridge and as I open the door I spot a couple of hard boiled eggs I had done earlier and I think again yep those will do nicely, now I take them and continue to think that the GF just retired for the night and I don't want to make much noise so I continue to think, and I get this brilliant idea.....
I head back to the couch, eggs in hand with a napkin and I spread it out take 1 of 2 eggs in hand grab my mech and precede to crack open the egg, man it worked great..... Not much noise and job got done, so u can ask why would the FDA ban or severely hamper my new EGG opener?
Just to be clear most of this post is done in humor. I hope I at least got a smile....
I thought so too. I wished some of our media would do this with some real data based views from non-biased scientists. I know that's like pulling teeth though. Maybe Fox will eventually. It seems they're the only media source I see with an ally.
I really hope that the tide will eventually turn and reason will prevail. We so desperately need to win that media war. It's a shame that only Fox is speaking in favor of vaping and agianst those idiotic regulations. Gutfeld and co. did another segment last night on Red Eye. CNN is still searching for the missing plane... 
Everybody else, including another anti piece in NYT, is still fuming (no pun intended) against us, quoting Prue and antifreeze....
God help us.
Everybody else, including another anti piece in NYT, is still fuming (no pun intended) against us, quoting Prue and antifreeze.... God help us.
Your mech is not a "component or part" of a "covered egg product." It's an accessory, not to worry.
I really hope that the tide will eventually turn and reason will prevail. We so desperately need to win that media war. It's a shame that only Fox is speaking in favor of vaping and agianst those idiotic regulations. Gutfeld and co. did another segment last night on Red Eye. CNN is still searching for the missing plane...
God help us.
I don't think we are going to win this one in the media anytime soon. My (unscientific) view is that media coverage was very unfavorable towards - e.g. - gay activists during the 80s or OTHER_STUFF activists in the 90s (including junk science, and the same 'concerns, worries, unknowns and fears' to which we are subject).
I don't see the NRA model working for us - that takes single-issue voting, and lots of money, which we also don't have (not yet, anyway).
I don't know what the way forward is, but Roly's point about black markets continues to play on my mind. There's a lot to be said for it. We absolutely need to keep expanding the pool of vapers (preferably those who aren't dual users, and/or BT-cigalike consumers).
And while I don't like the idea of us depending on what Tennessee Williams did not cite as "the incompetance of strangers"
... there's a lot to be said for the idea that the FDA's CTP really is quite ineffective in many ways, not just in the arenas oft-cited by vapers (i.e. their inability/unwillingness to look at science in an objective manner). We are not dealing with the Stasi here, despite what some may believe. Mind you, that doesn't mean that I have kind words for their intentions.
Single issue voting isn't going to work with this. I'm not seeing any canidates step up for vapers on a national level anyway. There's gotta be ONE smoker in Congress that we can convert ... ? I think that should be a campaign goal.
Educating friends and family, converting smokers and encouraging them to do the same. That'll work, problem is that an issue needs a huge mass before congress or corporations realize it's there.
Educating friends and family, converting smokers and encouraging them to do the same. That'll work, problem is that an issue needs a huge mass before congress or corporations realize it's there.
And while I don't like the idea of us depending on what Tennessee Williams did not cite as "the incompetance of strangers"
This isn't your father's FDA anymore.....
Obama Food Safety Czar Defends Armed Raids
SWAT Team conducts food raid
FDA Police? The American Police State
The FDA may be a group of incompetents, but their actions speak louder than words....
Excellent video. Thanks for posting it. And you are right about Fox News being the only national media outlet providing mostly positive commentary on vaping.
After seeing this report and many other similar ones and then reading the lies from people like Stan Glantz and the FDA deeming regs, it makes one feel like we are in some strange alternate universe within a very bad horror movie. Unfortunately, our reality is not a movie.
We just need a premium cigar shaped PV that can provide a premium cigar flavor....smoke filled back-room deals done with vapor instead of smoke might work....
Where does that claim come from? As soon as the FDA starts taking applications for SE or new products, it can start rejecting them. Then what? What if an application is denied on the last day of the 24 month period? Do they still get to keep selling if they do not have new application in before the deadline? If their application is denied, do they have to stop selling immediately? What if the FDA doesn't accept anything before the deadline for other companies to use as a predicate?
There is so much left up in the air that it is impossible to claim to know what the FDA will do or how this will play out.
Regarding flavors, where is the scientific evidence proving that cherry flavoring from FlavorArt is chemically the same and poses no risks different from cherry flavor from Loranne's or tobacco/menthol flavoring from some artificial flavoring company in China (which is likely to be the actual pre-2007 predicate for flavorings?) Do we have ANY scientific proof that ANY of the flavorings are not a health risk for INHALATION, not digestion?
The idea that the FDA would expect a company to submit an application detailing there is no health impact of changing their package of rolling papers from containing 32 papers to 50 papers (which the FDA did require), but the FDA would not care if there is a health difference between inhaling the chemicals found in an artificial tobacco flavoring vs. the chemicals in artificial cherry flavor (especially since there are no long-term studies of inhaling ANY of the artificial flavoring as used in e-cigs) is quite naive.
Regarding people waiting to say what CASAA "tells them to say," CASAA isn't expecting people to just write what we tell them. CASAA just wants to help people write coherent and FACTUAL comments. We realize that 200,000 "copy and paste" comments aren't going to help. But 200,000 comments ranting about "a right to vape" or "the FDA shouldn't do this
and should ;" or wasting their comment arguing "the FDA doesn't have the authority to regulate e-cigarettes" or "e-cigs aren't tobacco" or "I don't use an e-cig I use a PV" would be even worse.CASAA is going to provide an analysis of the facts as we understand them and a GUIDE for submitting comments, not "telling people what to say."
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Cliff Stearns, former Republican congressman from Florida vapes and sent Obama one as a gift back in 2009. According to Stearns, he later reported that Obama completely ignored his gift and didn't acknowledge it but that Congressman Boehner thanked him for the gift.
Sen. Lautenberg wants to snuff out electronic cigarettes | TheHill
It's clear that the political lines were drawn as far back as 2009, unfortunately. This should have been an invention that both political parties could embrace for the good of the country.
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