could use all the help i can get

[Swoop03]

Depending on how long you smoked and how many packs a day you smoked during that period, vaping just replaces the physical act and the nicotine only. You have to remember that tobacco leaf has many other natural alkaloids in it, as well as treated tobacco in a cigarette has a lot of chemicals and toxins as well. If you have just recently started vaping, don't knock yourself short if you have a cigarette while still in transition period, myself that transition was about 3 weeks myself dual using once I focused fully on moving to vaping.

1) Try to cut out old habitual signals, mine were after meals, getting into the car, being at work under stress, first awaking in the mornings.
2) Always try to vape first, if still not satisfied, then step outside and have 1/3 to 1/2 a cig
3) Try to reduce your daily stress as much as possible, can't cut it out entirely, your body chemistry is in detox, thus putting stress on your body, just a nudge of mental stress and your body/mind want a stress reliever, so try to stay positive and chipper
4) In my time vaping and visiting these forums, I've seen transition periods ranging from just a couple weeks to several months
5) Mouth to lung devices (pod mods /w nic salts, basic ego, JUULs, etc) nicotine levels (basic freebase noted as FB, nicotine salts noted as NS), for these low cloud producing devices, these are rough guestimates

1 1/2 pack and higher, and/or 10+ years use - Minimum 12mg/ml to 18mg/ml FB, 30mg/ml to 50mg/ml NS (for pod systems like the JUUL)
1 Pack a day, and/or 5 to 10 years smoking - 12mg/ml FB, 30mg/ml NS
1/2 pack a day, and/or under 5 years smoking - 6 to 9mg/ml FB, 24mg/ml NS

Direct to lung clouding systems
1 1/2 pack and higher, and/or 10+ smoking - Minimum 6mg/ml FB not to exceed 9 to 12mg/ml FB
1 pack a day, and/or 5 to 10 years smoking - 3 to 6mg/ml FB
1/2 pack a day, and/or under 5 years smoking - 1.5 to 3mg/ml FB

Give your body time to detox and heal, drink plenty of water and juices, reducing or stopping use of caffeine during your transition period (vaping can dehydrate you, adding caffeine into the mix adds more dehydration and amps you up to simulate more stress on your body), relax and try not to stress, if you have to have 1/3 to 1/2 a cig to relax after trying vaping first after dinner and such, don't knock yourself. You have to retrain your train of thought, not each smoke you do have is a loss, each smoke you did not have to have during the day is a win.

This basically how I did it. I replaced smoke with vape one routine at a time until I had to think about having a smoke. Then I just didn't buy anymore smokes. Not that I dont WANT to, I know if I do ill be back on the stinkies. As others said, it's the attitude and willpower. I think deep down a lot of us did not truly want to quit as I didn't either. It's the savings and health impact that really did it for me. The flavors and new gear helped too. I'm a sucker for new shiny stuff.

 

[hot.chillie35]

Ok, what nic strength are you using? Are you into menthol for the throat hit or is that the only flavour you taste or is it that you like vaping menthol because its kind of like you blues? Do you find dl vaping ok? Many long term smokers find it rough to dl when they start. When they have coughed all the smoking crap up they have an easier time with it, so generLly but NOT always i recommend a mtl setup.

Now, I have found that a big part of switching to vaping is having very clear in your mind that it is NOT smoking, many vapors will tell you that when they successfully switched or shortly thereafter they get away fro tobacco or menthol juice, or got into cloud chasing that looks and feels very different so they are as far away from cigs as possible.

Next, when someone is a long term smoker having a harsher time getting off i have them get a second device. I highly recommend a minifit. They are small and very stealthy cheap and simple to use and you can put a higher freebase or salt nic in any kind of pod device i know of. At any rate, get yourself a special sexond device, also a handy backup. Put a special juice in it at a higher strength like an 18 freebase, or 20 or 40 saltnic. Call this your cigarette2.0 or whatever.

Point is, you have your everyday juice and device and your new style cig. Put your blues in an inconvenient place, like your garden shed, your car trunk etc. Put a lighter with them but nowhere else. Get rid of your ashtrays. Dont allow yourself to smoke where you did before unless its your cig 2.0.

Vape your usual setup, and i really highly recommend finding a non menthol juice you like for everyday. And btw I get you dont care for fruit atm, but it is highly likely in a few months your tastes will change and you will find you like stuff then
That you may have bought and did not really love. To avoid olfactory fatigue it is important to like a few flavours that are very different. Like mentol, coffee and strawberry for example. Often mentol smokers will like a licorice or cinnamon type vape if you want to try some of those. For fruits try a lemonade of sorts as many folks reject super sweet flavours when transitioning. I have yet to meet someone who does not like dinner lady lemon tart if they like the pie. its fancy pants so reserve it for friday night or yuor cig 2.0. It tastes just like lemon merangue pie, so if you like that its well worth trying. I save mine in a 3 for dripping when im watching movies and chain vaping.

So just vape your regular stuff and if you feel you want or need a cigarete whip out your cig 2.0 with fancy higher nic juice for 10 minutes. If is first thing in the morning with your coffee and you know you are low on nic just go right to your cig 2.0. At any rate, you will know when you have low nic vs an emotional need for they old smoke. Just be honest with yourself and ask WHY you want a cigarette. Then vape on yuor vape 2.0 setup for 10 minutes. If you still then want a cigarette, go to the trouble of finding them, smoke standing up outside regardless of weather in a place you did not used to smoke and consciously smoke it as much or litle as you want. Dont be judgemental or hard on yourself just consciously feel it going in yuor mouth, your lungs. Smell it. Take your vape with you, many people find they vape and smoke together initially and the body will scream at them tha it prefers vaping. No matter what juice you use it will taste better then any cig on the planet!

At any rate the goal to use the second setup to satisfy both emotional and physical cravings. Next it is super important when quitting the cigs to vape as much and as often as you want. It should be fun and exciting and sparkly new. As you learn better technique and detox from smokes you will find you naturally vape less without trying within a month or two. I often check in on folks i have inroduced to vaping a few months on and they often say they dont even think of smoking anymore and often dont even vape till lunch when before they couldnt manage to wake up without cigarettes and coffee. Its just unexplanable in my mind how people who never thought they could did and they habit is now different. Its then very easy to sloooowly drop nic and get to low or no nic if that is your goal. But as a 20 year smoker, i think you will agree its most important to stop smoking and never go back to them...so arm yourself with lots of vape stuff and make sure if you relapse you relapse to a vape. I advise not trying to drop nic for at least 6 months ideally 12 unless you move from mtl to dl then you want to drop by about half because you get way more juice dl and wont be able to take high nic on your throat.

Hth

Thank you so much for all the advice. i smoke cigarettes direct lung the same way i vape. the moment i try to vape mouth to lung i cough uncontrollably. what could be my problem???

 

[hot.chillie35]

That's relatively common. The e-liquid and warm vapor can dry your mouth.

Try sucking on hard candy or chewing gum to encourage your saliva production.

thank you for the advice i will definitely try it

 

[hot.chillie35]

Don't forget the war face. Gotta have a 'tude, too.

I had my war face on today lol and it worked like a bomb. lol who wud have thought.

 

[hot.chillie35]

This basically how I did it. I replaced smoke with vape one routine at a time until I had to think about having a smoke. Then I just didn't buy anymore smokes. Not that I dont WANT to, I know if I do ill be back on the stinkies. As others said, it's the attitude and willpower. I think deep down a lot of us did not truly want to quit as I didn't either. It's the savings and health impact that really did it for me. The flavors and new gear helped too. I'm a sucker for new shiny stuff.

thank you. lol tell me bout it. i want o buy everything i see

 

[hot.chillie35]

When I started vaping I did not smoke anymore. I started with 24 mg juice in a pen vape. Nowadays we have all these pod units available. If you are not getting enough nicotine you might think about a pod unit that you can run higher nicotine in or nic salts. Use it when the cravings are strong. Don't buy any more cigarettes.

Hi. I using the twist cue, each pod is 18mg...doesn't do the trick for me....i still crave the ciggy...any other advice.

 

[Nikhforos]

Good info here. I'll suggest one more thing which I found that played a major factor for quitting.
Do not actually throw away your pack of cigarettes. That depends on you, but I'm that type of person who can say no to a chocolate if I know it's in the freezer, but I definitely will go buy one and eat if there is no chocolate around at all. Get it?

 

[Baditude]

I'll suggest one more thing which I found that played a major factor for quitting.
Do not actually throw away your pack of cigarettes. That depends on you, but I'm that type of person who can say no to a chocolate if I know it's in the freezer, but I definitely will go buy one and eat if there is no chocolate around at all. Get it?

Nope, I don't get it. I would be the opposite of yourself. If it wasn't within easy reach, I probably wouldn't leave the house to buy it if I had my vape. On the other hand if I knew the cigarettes were in the next room...

We're all different, and different methods will work for different people.

I do recall walking over a mile in the Blizzard of '78 to get cigarettes. My street was closed down by the police because I lived on a hill and there were unsafe hazzardouse driving conditions. Not all streets had been plowed and there were snow drifts several feet high on mine, so I was snowbound. It would have been a major bummer had the convenience store been closed.

 

[zoiDman]

Hi. I using the twist cue, each pod is 18mg...doesn't do the trick for me....i still crave the ciggy...any other advice.

Yeah... Use Two e-Cigarettes.

One e-Cigarette has your Normal Day-2-Day Nicotine Level in it. And the Other is your BGICOE e-Cigarette with Much Higher Nicotine in it.

You have to have 2 e-Cigarettes anyway. Because if the Thin Line between Smoking and Not Smoking is that e-Cigarette in your hand, what happens if the e-Cigarette in your hand Stops Working for some reason?

So you Might as well put that 2nd e-Cigarette to good use. And use it to Beat Back those last couple of Smokes with some Higher Nicotine.

And BTW, Welcome to the ECF.

 

[BrotherBob]

I have just joined the forum and I have become a vaper in an effort to stop smoking, it seems to be working as I have cut down quiet a bit. As much as i like vaping i am still unable to cut out the cigarette completely.

Welcome and glad you joined.
Were all different, just hang in there and keep searching for the perfect setup and juice. Since vaping is totally scalable, the choice you have can be overwhelming. The main thing to remember is, part of vaping is all about you the vaper, being in control and the freedom to fix/tailor any aspect of vaping you feel you need to improve upon.

 

[hot.chillie35]

Yeah... Use Two e-Cigarettes.

One e-Cigarette has your Normal Day-2-Day Nicotine Level in it. And the Other is your BGICOE e-Cigarette with Much Higher Nicotine in it.

You have to have 2 e-Cigarettes anyway. Because if the Thin Line between Smoking and Not Smoking is that e-Cigarette in your hand, what happens if the e-Cigarette in your hand Stops Working for some reason?

So you Might as well put that 2nd e-Cigarette to go use. And use it to Beat Back those last couple of Smokes with some Higher Nicotine.

And BTW, Welcome to the ECF.

Hi

Good advice, thank you for the warm welcome

 

[zoiDman]

Hi

Good advice, thank you for the warm welcome

Yep... It Worked for Me.

 

[Nikhforos]

Nope, I don't get it. I would be the opposite of yourself. If it wasn't within easy reach, I probably wouldn't leave the house to buy it if I had my vape. On the other hand if I knew the cigarettes were in the next room...

We're all different, and different methods will work for different people.

I do recall walking over a mile in the Blizzard of '78 to get cigarettes. My street was closed down by the police because I lived on a hill and there were unsafe hazzardouse driving conditions. Not all streets had been plowed and there were snow drifts several feet high on mine, so I was snowbound. It would have been a major bummer had the convenience store been closed.

That's why I said I'm one type of person, there are many and I get what you're saying.
But, you said you wouldn't leave the house to get a pack, yet walked over a mile? Choose one of two

 

[Baditude]

But, you said you wouldn't leave the house to get a pack, yet walked over a mile? Choose one of two

I walked a mile in a blizzard to get smokes when I was still a smoker. I don't believe I would do the same since I began vaping. That's the difference.

 

[Vapemesilly]

I believe that nicotine addiction is as much a mental thing as it is physical. If you are getting plenty of nicotine and you still crave smokes...where is the craving coming from? I think it's coming from deep in the brain telling you that you need to smoke when the truth is you are getting the nicotine you need from vaping. Your brain is messing with you because of a lifetime of smoking. Tell your brain to pound sand and reach for your vape. It took me about a month of nothing but vaping before I stopped thinking about cigarettes. Stick with it and will get better. Your not going to go crazy. You're getting the nicotine you crave.

 

[stols001]

I walked over a mile in a blizzard to get a bunch of beer with my roommate one time. I had this army coat where I could like, stash a case in all the pockets and that gets heavy so we had to stop and drink a lot along the way.

Cigarettes are different though, the moment I heard that the blizzard was coming I drove and got several cartons like, immediately. There was NO way I was going to be caught without cigarettes during a BLIZZARD, I mean that would have entailed stealing for my friends and enemies, and some of them were CLOVE cigarette smokers. Bluggh.

When I say cigarettes were my hardest thing I MEAN it. LOL.

Anna

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I used two Nic levels, also. The normal one and then a lower one. The lower one was for sitting and watching TV. If I have it in my hand, I tended to keep vaping.

Also, a trick is to put it out of your immediate line of sight and just let your body say when to vape.

Always have spares. Let there be no excuse for buying a pack of cigs or bumming one.

 

[JanTee]

Thank you so much for all the advice. i smoke cigarettes direct lung the same way i vape. the moment i try to vape mouth to lung i cough uncontrollably. what could be my problem???

Np it is not as common to find a dl smoker but if thats your style the stay with the dl vapes! There are pods and tanks that have dl or restricted dl u can use for higher or salt nic to be your cig 2.0. Tons of folks here and on youtube for recommendations!

Just remember every cig not smoked is a victory and not everyone picks up a vape and never again smokes! Keep experimenting, working on your mindset and asking questions. You will get there and its soooooooo worth it!

 

[JanTee]

Oh and change that thought from you NEED all the help you can get to you DESERVE all the help you can get. I believe ALL smokers who have desire to stop smoking deserve the best help and support available.