Dangers Of Building Very Low

[beckdg]

I always assumed people meant that there's no need to "try" to build a low ohm coil on a regulated mod, because you can just adjust the power up, not "build as low as you want." I'll admit I don't pay all that much attention to the regulated conversations though.

That's a lot different than "it doesn't matter on a regulated device".

Some go on to explain you can regulate a .00001 (something ridiculous) coil to 30 Watts if you want.

The first example (extremely common) doesn't set that limit that's understood in your statement. It's open for interpretation. And we know how varied that will be interpreted... and can assume the intent varies similarly, I'd think.

The second flys in the face of any self implemented safety or sense at all.

Both examples are represented in this very thread.

Everything electronic or mechanical item dies at some point.

All have DOA and early failure rates as well as mfr defect percentages as well.

Tapatyped

 

[Eskie]

Everything electronic or mechanical item dies at some point.

All have DOA and early failure rates as well as mfr defect percentages as well.

Tapatyped

Same is true for us human people too. And we don't come with a warranty or anything.

 

[Lessifer]

That's a lot different than "it doesn't matter on a regulated device".

Some go on to explain you can regulate a .00001 (something ridiculous) coil to 30 Watts if you want.

The first example (extremely common) doesn't set that limit that's understood in your statement. It's open for interpretation. And we know how varied that will be interpreted... and can assume the intent varies similarly, I'd think.

The second flys in the face of any self implemented safety or sense at all.

Both examples are represented in this very thread.

Everything electronic or mechanical item dies at some point.

All have DOA and early failure rates as well as mfr defect percentages as well.

Tapatyped

True, but don't regulated mods usually have a limit as to the resistances they will fire? Of course, that assumes everything in the mod is working properly. I use mechs, in part to eliminate the question of a chip failure.

 

[beckdg]

Same is true for us human people too. And we don't come with a warranty or anything.

But I was able to obtain a whole library of instruction books and videos when I had my kids.

And the whole world is chock full of professors with valuable info.

Screw up bad enough and one shows up at your door to inspect your work.

Tapatyped

 

[David Wolf]

True, but don't regulated mods usually have a limit as to the resistances they will fire? Of course, that assumes everything in the mod is working properly. I use mechs, in part to eliminate the question of a chip failure.

The regulated mods I've seen list an upper and lower resistances they will regulate, often with different values for TC control and power control. Even the mods you read about going up in flames while charging, etc. So the question becomes how much you trust a regulated mod for really low coil resistance builds at the low end. And I've read some say well my mod will fire even lower than that... good luck folks

 

[Eskie]

True, but don't regulated mods usually have a limit as to the resistances they will fire? Of course, that assumes everything in the mod is working properly. I use mechs, in part to eliminate the question of a chip failure.

That is correct. Build outside the specs for the board and get an Ohms too low, too high, whatever. But within those specs you can fine tune to the heat flux you have in mind. I'm also a TC vaper, so for me resistance really doesn't some into play much at all, again, within the specs of the board. As I use 316L, I get my best results between 0.25-0.5 ohm without challenging my TC board too much and adjust preheat and wattage to get me around the heat flux I have in mind that will provide me with a pleasant warm vape throughout the draw.

Having said that, there is no doubt a carefully thought out coil build matched to the battery of your choice will give you a very nice vape as well.

The mods I've seen list an upper and lower resistances they will regulate, often with different values for TC control and power control. Even the mods you read about going up in flames while charging, etc. So the question becomes how much you trust a regulated mod for really low coil resistance builds at the low end. And I've read some say well my mod will fire even lower than that... good luck folks

Some like to live dangerously. I prefer not to stand next to them.

 

[David Wolf]

crooked PCB surface mounts is where I draw the line. That's just dangerous.

Lmao. And the heat sink for those power transistors then becomes you

 

[Lessifer]

The regulated mods I've seen list an upper and lower resistances they will regulate, often with different values for TC control and power control. Even the mods you read about going up in flames while charging, etc. So the question becomes how much you trust a regulated mod for really low coil resistance builds at the low end. And I've read some say well my mod will fire even lower than that... good luck folks

I've seen reports of regulated mods auto firing when sitting on a counter, or bursting into flames while charging.

I trust my own math and winding abilities. I trust the metal bar that rests about 5mm above the top of my battery not to magically bend down and complete the circuit.

 

[Eskie]

I trust my own math and winding abilities. I trust the metal bar that rests about 5mm above the top of my battery not to magically bend down and complete the circuit.

 

[David Wolf]

I've seen reports of regulated mods auto firing when sitting on a counter, or bursting into flames while charging.

I trust my own math and winding abilities. I trust the metal bar that rests about 5mm above the top of my battery not to magically bend down and complete the circuit.

I put the odds of those trusting in dual battery regulated mods on very low resistances as just a little lower than with novices building mechanical mods with dual batteries and very low resistances for becoming news headlines.

 

[Eskie]

I put the odds of those trusting in dual battery regulated mods on very low resistances as just a little lower than with novices building mechanical mods with dual batteries and very low resistances for becoming news headlines.

Annnnd, we're back full circle to ask why would you ever need a 0.15 ohm build, regulated or unregulated?

 

[Darth Omerta]

Annnnd, we're back full circle to ask why would you ever need a 0.15 ohm build, regulated or unregulated?

Inexperience, immaturity, and a lack of understanding of ohms law, watts law, the mod(either regulated or mechanical), battery safety and how coil building actually works.

 

[David Wolf]

Inexperience, immaturity, and a lack of understanding of ohms law, watts law, the mod(either regulated or mechanical), battery safety and how coil building actually works.

That's why telling people to start out with something like a nautilus is a good idea until they learn a few things.

 

[tj99959]

That's why telling people to start out with something like a nautilus is a good idea until they learn a few things.

Funny, years ago we told them to start out with a carto.

These days .... guess what happens if you put a carto on a faux hybrid! (recessed center pin)
Or ..... guess what happens if you put a hybrid compatible topper on a mod like a Silver Bullet! (pushes the mods center pin down)

Point being .... don't suggest any topper without knowing what they're going to put it on.

 

[Eskie]

That's why telling people to start out with something like a nautilus is a good idea until they learn a few things.

You can still screw that up too. My very first time I used my first "real" vape I managed to hit the fire button on a dry coil to get smoke pouring out. As the smoke stopped within seconds I figured eh, the coil will still be OK. It wasn't. Good thing I had another coil on hand or that would have been the end of my great adventure into vaping.

 

[Myrany]

Funny, years ago we told them to start out with a carto.

These days .... guess what happens if you put a carto on a faux hybrid! (recessed center pin)
Or ..... guess what happens if you put a hybrid compatible topper on a mod like a Silver Bullet! (pushes the mods center pin down)

Point being .... don't suggest any topper without knowing what they're going to put it on.

YAY! Someone else that remembers the Silver Bullet. I still find mine with an IGO-L (drilled out airhole) a very nice vape at .7-1 ohm.

 

[EIHYPI]

Annnnd, we're back full circle to ask why would you ever need a 0.15 ohm build, regulated or unregulated?

After reading most of the replies in this thread, I decided to take out my 24 gauge kanthal instead of the 22 gauge. On my Hatty I just got, I build a .38 ohm 8 wraps dual & I have it at 50 watts. The flavor & especially vapor production is amazing. On top of this all I get a nice & cool vape. I can say I learnt something.

 

[David Wolf]

After reading most of the replies in this thread, I decided to take out my 24 gauge kanthal instead of the 22 gauge. On my Hatty I just got, I build a .38 ohm 8 wraps dual & I have it at 50 watts. The flavor & especially vapor production is amazing. On top of this all I get a nice & cool vape. I can say I learnt something.

I learn something from these guys about every time I come to the forum, it's a great place isn't it!

 

[Asbestos4004]

After reading most of the replies in this thread, I decided to take out my 24 gauge kanthal instead of the 22 gauge. On my Hatty I just got, I build a .38 ohm 8 wraps dual & I have it at 50 watts. The flavor & especially vapor production is amazing. On top of this all I get a nice & cool vape. I can say I learnt something.

In a community where we seem to sometimes be pre-programmed to argue and contradict, it's really cool to see a post like this.

 

[petrotech]

when you're as dumb as me, it's easy to learn something everyday.