David: Did you make this claim?

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Edwv30

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I'm sorry, what? There is no known PEL for diacetyl, David. None. That means "our government" says there is no known safe exposure limit.

It's a good thing Max from FlavourArt decided to start removing it from the flavors you use, at any rate.

Absolutely correct Shanagan.

David...why are you putting this misinformation out there? FlavourArt apparently feels it's important enough to remove from their flavorings and you are going to pay for testing. <----You ARE going to do the testing...correct?
 

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I'm sorry, what? There is no known PEL for diacetyl, David. None. That means "our government" says there is no known safe exposure limit.

It's a good thing Max from FlavourArt decided to start removing it from the flavors you use, at any rate.

This is one of the scientific facts that some want to gloss over, thank you for the reminder Shanagan.
 

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David, did you ever list the flavors on your site that contain diacetyl? All you have to do is put an asterisk next to the flavors and your customers that choose not to vape it will know. You've known for over a month now and I think that should be your first step even before testing... and it doesn't cost you ANYTHING.
 

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I have a feeling this thread is going to be closed soon but we are ALL past smokers..Did we jump down the cig company throat and they had this same ingredient in their product?? Nope, we still smoked and smoked and smoked. Heck people should be dang happy that someone is even TRYING to take a step in the right direction. Even if things don't go as planned....it is called TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
 

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I have a feeling this thread is going to be closed soon but we are ALL past smokers..Did we jump down the cig company throat and they had this same ingredient in their product?? Nope, we still smoked and smoked and smoked. Heck people should be dang happy that someone is even TRYING to take a step in the right direction. Even if things don't go as planned....it is called TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Trust me, some of us are VERY glad someone is trying to make a difference.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly 757girl.

And here is one ironic thing:
I might never have ordered from FSUSA if it weren't for these people who don't appear to LIKE FSUSA but keep posting in this area.

To the contrary, I was one of the original fangirls. Then I made the unforgivable mistake of asking for disclosure in re: diacetyl. It's nobody's loss, really, I'm one out of thousands who are more than happy to keep ordering.
 

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I'm sorry, what? There is no known PEL for diacetyl, David. None. That means "our government" says there is no known safe exposure limit.

It's a good thing Max from FlavourArt decided to start removing it from the flavors you use, at any rate.

Actually, there is no PEL because the government is slow in seeing dangers with Diacetyl. The FDA still considers Diacetyl to be safe. That means "our government" says there is no known UNsafe exposure limit. I know, they hate e-cigs but love Diacetyl. Go figure! The only government agency that is really doing anything about Diacetyl is OSHA. Although, the House of Representatives are starting to force measures.

Here is a good article about Popcorn Workers Lung and how our government is dealing with things: Popcorn Workers Lung Diacetyl Bronchiolitis Obliterans Congress | NewsInferno

Understand, the article is from October but, not much has changed. The exception is that OSHA has released a bulletin about Diacetyl:
OSHA Releases Diacetyl Flavoring Bulletin

Considering that I have Chronic Pulmonary Fibrosis, which has elevated over the years due to smoking, I really pay attention to what I inhale. I think that we need to understand Diacetyl better and not create mass hysteria over it. I am just as concerned with all the other ingredients that are in the flavorings, as well as the alternatives that are being used for "buttery flavor".

I see what David is doing as a good thing. Again, he is going to be able to help me understand what is in my juices so that I can make the choice of what I use. I am tired of all these juice vendors claiming that they are removing Diacetyl and telling me that their juice is safe. Yet, these vendors don't have a clue what they are buying and are the same ones that used Diacetyl based juices and told you they were safe before.

David may not have the best communication skills but, as a business man, he knows what he is doing. He is getting to the truth about the ingredients he is using and is offering the same to any and all vendors. He is only in the beginning phases. Give him a chance to do what he is trying to do. He may just pull it off!
 

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And here is one ironic thing:
I might never have ordered from FSUSA if it weren't for these people who don't appear to LIKE FSUSA but keep posting in this area.

Good for you Roger! We aren't here to turn people away from FSUSA or any other supplier. We are here to ask for disclosure...plain and simple. FSUSA has refused to disclose information but FlavourArt, (thankfully), has not. I am glad you have found a vendor you can relate to.
 

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I applaud what FSUSA is doing. They are TRYING to help. I don't see anyone else making any kind of attempt. MistressNomad's video and blogs helped me out early on and I respect her opinion. To see her move out of state to join up with FSUSA speaks volumes to me about how mush she believes in them too. I've been searching for a good menthol vape and I have some FSUSA samples coming this week. I'm really hoping I'll find one that fits me so I can call this company my new main supplier. I'd rather give my money to a company that not only makes a quality product but is trying to do something to help us all out.
 

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I've been searching for a good menthol vape and I have some FSUSA samples coming this week. I'm really hoping I'll find one that fits me so I can call this company my new main supplier. I'd rather give my money to a company that not only makes a quality product but is trying to do something to help us all out.
I hope you love their juice as much as we all do! Does it have to be menthol? If not, I can reccommend alotta nice flavors!
 

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I applaud what FSUSA is doing. They are TRYING to help. I don't see anyone else making any kind of attempt. MistressNomad's video and blogs helped me out early on and I respect her opinion. To see her move out of state to join up with FSUSA speaks volumes to me about how mush she believes in them too. I've been searching for a good menthol vape and I have some FSUSA samples coming this week. I'm really hoping I'll find one that fits me so I can call this company my new main supplier. I'd rather give my money to a company that not only makes a quality product but is trying to do something to help us all out.

Did you try the Purecig Menthol? That is the closest that I have found to a true menthol cig taste.
 

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LOL! One OUT of thousands who still order.

Shanagan - So you are still ordering from FSUSA? I'm very surprised, but again, thanks for your support. Why you think that FSUSA has lost a lot of customers is beyond me. They haven't. If you don't support FSUSA and are upset with them, why do you continue to order? Also, why are you posting in this subforum when you having nothing positive to say? I'm truly baffled.
 

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I'm sorry, what? There is no known PEL for diacetyl, David. None. That means "our government" says there is no known safe exposure limit.

It's a good thing Max from FlavourArt decided to start removing it from the flavors you use, at any rate.
It is obvious that FlavourArt is concerned as well as many people on this forum and out in the public. I will not intentionally inhale diacetyl! I do have a voice as well.
Has anyone seen someone die from respitory distress..I have as a nurse. It is something you don't want to encounter.
 
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