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After some time not vaping I've come back to it recently. I did a little bit of DIY a while back, but not very seriously- I was mainly trying to save money at the time. But I'd like to get into it in a more serious way now, not just to save money, but because I'd like more control over what I vape, and because I think I'll enjoy it.

One thing I'd like to do is make up a lot of very small experimental batches, not just of recipes, but of single flavors and combinations of two flavors, sample them regularly while they steep, and take notes. That's going to involve a lot of flavor switching, and I'm wondering how you handle that when tasting a lot of mixtures in a row?

I have several tanks, but I'm kind of thinking that nothing with a wick is going to be convenient for this. I've done some googling, and it seems like maybe this is a good use for old-school 510 attys. I started vaping around late 2011/early 2012, and it was a struggle to get much flavor, vapor, or nicotine out of what was easily available at the time. I did a fair amount of dripping into various 510 and ego atomizers back then, and it seems like that might be the way to go for my purposes now.

I'm wondering if any of you have suggestions about good bridge-less atomizers available these days, or any other suggestions on how to test a lot of juices quickly. Thanks!
 
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I use two setups for tasting. Both are 3 cell box mods with heat sinks and drippers wicked with RxW ceramic wicks. I taste a juice on one, dry burn till clean, and set aside to cool down while I try another on my other setup. The ready x wick isn't cheap, but it works great for this purpose and lasts practically forever. Tasting this way makes it easy to try as many different flavors as you want in a single sitting.

I wouldn't know if bridgeless are still available, haven't used one in quite a while.

Good luck.
 

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Because I like to change flavors often, I have 6-7 tanks running at once. AND, as a DIYer, I know my sense of taste changes throughout the day. So, I just put 2-3 ml in a tank and try it over a day or two. It is pretty easy to rinse out a tank and re-wick. Often, I have 2-3 of my tanks having new juices in them.

There are many ways to do it. Just convenient to have many tanks.
 

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@go_player - The old 510 short attys are still available, but they're usually $1-2+ each at most places now. Or...you could go to the link below and get some of the dirt cheap JoyeTech eGo Mega Cone Shaped Atomizers to test your samples. They're definitely "old school", but work great for taste testing! I bought a bunch for doing Bill's Magic Vapor's 100DT (100 Drop Test) on new DIY recipes, and to put in my vapocolypse stash, too, for when I've gone through all my stashed factory coils and am too old to build my own!

They'll thread onto any eGo type battery, or use an eGo/510 adapter. I just drop 3-4 drops on the little mesh-covered atomizer tip inside, and try it. Only takes a few puffs for those drops to be used up, and you can put different ones in to try them then. Use like that until the little atomizer just finally dies.

They last a long time before they die though. I use one every time I test a new recipe for DIY eliquids and have only had 1 die in almost 1.5 years.

They're only $.82 each now on Clearance, and you can get 1.5ohms or 2.0ohms, and the colors you want. You'll need the Ego Mega Drip tips for them, too, which are really expensive, too, there...a whole $.10 each! :D

Here's the link to them:

JoyeTech eGo 2.0 & 1.5oHms MEGA Cone-Shaped Atomizer - The Vapor Room - The dropdown box lets you choose the ohms and colors you want.

The Drip Tips are on that same page, below the atomizers. For those Cone Shaped atomizers...you want the Type A Mega Drip Tips.

If you're not familiar with them, the Vapor Room is a great company IMO, and they're also an ECF registered supplier. Have done business with them for 3+ years now. Always happy with the items, customer service, costs, shipping, etc.
 
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I can only speak to my own experience. I tried taste testing with 2 wickless formats and both were a bust.

I too started vaping back in 2012, and the local vape shop sold primarily intro level stuff, including disposable bridge-less attys. When I finally got around to DIY, I still a box of them left, and I thought just like you that "These could work!" I was wrong.:-x The flavor of the same juice on a 1.5 ohm bridge-less had nothing in common to how it tasted in a tank with dual coils metering 0.5 ohms and wicked with organic cotton. The information was next to useless.

A while later I read about how you could vape clapton coils without wicking them. Again I thought "This is the ticket!" Wrong again.:censored: Though I could get a comparable resistance; the flavor was still not at all comparable to when I put it in my tank. I think part of it was I just couldn't get as much juice on the wickless coil as the wicked coil permits. This creates a great disparity in vapor density and taste. Again; the info was less than helpful.

This is when I personally gave up looking for a wickless solution. There very well could be perfectly workable solutions out there. I am just not aware of them (I am far from the most informed vaper).:) I also don't wish to diminish JC's suggestion (which sounds/looks very much like a bridge-less atty; but I couldn't tell for sure from the photo or site description). I have found her help and suggestions to be extremely helpful in the past. And, if she says they work for her, I believe her. They very well may work for you too.:D

For me, even using a dripper, is not a very good 1:1 substitution. Wattage, wicking, chamber size, and airflow, are all just too different to give good, close, feedback. They are acceptable if I am only looking for a down-and-dirty "in the same zip code" result. I can say I do, or don't like it, and can get a guesstamate percentage of where I might want to start further testing at. But, if I want anything closer than that, I need to move testing to my regular tanks.

My opinion only B U T... I believe that the only way to get accurate results when testing is to test in the devices you expect to be vaping it in. I have noticed just moving the same tried-and-true recipe, the very same batch, from one tank to another, will taste different. Not a huge difference, because my "regular" tanks are all very similar, but a difference none the less.

Mine is only one experience; so take it with a grain of salt. Do as you are doing and do your own research, your own experimentation, and find what works best for you. Let us know what you discover along the way. I am interested in what you, and others, find work best for you. Great thread topic; I'm glad you started it. :thumbs:
 

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I have to agree with @IDJoel I have tried taste testing on drippers, and on wickless claptons in a Serpent Mini, but nothing is even vaguely similar to actually using the juice in my KFM3's or the Nautilus Mini, or Triton Mini, which are my daily vapes.
So I put up with constantly re-wicking the KFM3's to ensure I have consistent results. YMMV
 

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For testing, Ive found that a small chambered, simple single coil gives me the closest to my favorite RTAs.

For this I use my 5 Chris creations fatty V1 and V2. 16mm, small chambers and I bored the air hole on the V1s just a bit, around 2mm. They have always been my favorite RDA, but expensive and being discontinued hard to find. I found them on sale for 10 each at an online vendor and bought a few, still thinking of picking up a couple more. So easy to drip, taste , tear off the wick, dry burn and start over.

Smok has some similar and you can find them anywhere from 5 to 10 depending on where you find them. Simple single wick 16mm RDAs. they have the Smok "Dripper" , a tiny 16mm simply called the RDA.

Again, depending on what your reg atomizer of choice is, will vary. Like IDJoel stated, different atties affect the same liquid from one to another.

If you like specific RTAs and they cost over 50 , maybe finding a good cheap "copies" so you can have at least a couple of them so you can test on them? Please dont throw rotten vegetables...... I know how the word "copy" or "clone" can cause riots. But if you are that concerned with adjusting your recopies targeted specifically to your favorite devices, then you either have to spend a lot of time testing and cleaning, over and over, or you can afford to buy 2 of all your favorite atomizers, one for testing and one for using. Or find something cheap and easy to tear down that is similar to your favorite atty.

I think using the old 510 drip atties then expecting the taste to be similar on a modern RDA or RTA might lead to some added time and effort because it is completely different.
 

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Herrick, the way rayon wicks you can just change the liquid without rewicking. There will be a few hits of "mixed" flavor but the change is very fast. I routinely change flavors and never rewick when I used it unless I need new coils.
This was from another thread but went well here, vape through one flavor to the next, Rayon releases
 

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This was from another thread
I am sorry, I know my question is completely :offtopic:and I appologize, but how do you embed an actual partial quote from one thread into another? The best I have been able to figure out is using the permalink option for the entire post to create a link; but that won't let me highlight the pertinent info in the manner you just did. Help please? And Thank You!
 
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I am sorry, I know my question is completely :offtopic:and I appologize, but how do you embed an actual partial quote from one thread into another? The best I have been able to figure out is using the permalink option for the entire post to create a link; but that won't let me highlight the pertinent info in the manner you just did. Help please? And Thank You!

I open another window and start ECF in the new window. Copy text, switch windows, and paste.
 

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I use an rda. Initially I bought the rda simply for taste testing so I could put several drops of a liquid in, get several puffs and then switch to a different liquid to test. It works for me.

I now have several drippers and use them through out the day. Taste testing to me is usually as much a comparison as it is tasting for individual merits. If you use the same dripper you get used to its characteristics and then bingo! You know "this juice is ready for vaping" or "needs more time" or "fa get about it!"

My 2 cents.
 

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I also don't wish to diminish JC's suggestion (which sounds/looks very much like a bridge-less atty; but I couldn't tell for sure from the photo or site description).

They're actually bridged.

The ones that take the cartridge/tank that you refill are the bridgeless ones. They have just the atomizer's pointed tip sticking up that punctures the end of the cartridge/tank. :)
 

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Wow, thanks for all the responses. @JCinFLA thanks for the link. At that price I will definitely pick some up, since I'll essentially just be paying for shipping. I'll have to look around their site and see if they have anything else I want, to justify the shipping. Those bring back memories. There was a while back about five years ago when I used to walk around with one of those on a fixed voltage eGo dripping into it constantly. Got me some funny looks, but I spent the first couple of years I vaped in a state of constant frustration with equipment- in retrospect I should have gotten into mods and rebuildables, but for some reason I was reluctant to.

@IDJoel Yeah, that was my concern about this, and one of the reasons I was asking about people's experience. Thanks for your post. I didn't get great results dripping straight into attys, certainly nothing comparable to what I'm getting out of the fairly basic equipment I have now, but I'm not sure how much of that to chalk up to the fact that the batteries involved were so primitive. I've also been wondering if the technology has progressed, and if there are attys of that general type that work better than the old ones, because it seems as if it would be a very convenient way to taste if it worked well. I'll at least give it a shot with the eGo attys and see what I think, but I'm afraid I might come to agree with you about this.

I'm going through a period of experimentation right now. For reaons that are hard to explain, even to myself, I stopped vaping and started smoking again maybe almost two years ago, after having vaped almost exclusively for more than three years. It was at least partially over frustration with equipment (though I think there were some other factors,) which is a bit ironic, since it was around that time that I first had passable equipment. So even though I've been vaping for quite a long time, I'm not very advanced in a lot of ways. I was also not that well off for the first couple of years I vaped, which limited my experimentation a bit, so I was a bit behind the curve even a couple of years ago.

One thing I've never gotten into is building coils. I've pretty much just always bought them and then disposed of them. It's something I think I should learn to do, but... well mixing my own juice is a higher priority for me, and I don't want to bite off too much at once, especially since I'm pretty busy these days. Also, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy mixing juice- I'm cook a lot, and I tend to like things like that. I have a feeling that if I start making my own coils, etc., that I'll like having the control, but consider the doing something of a chore.

I'm definitely better off than I was when I started vaping, and smoking was pretty expensive (I live in a high tax state) so I'm prepared to spend some money if need be. What I don't understand about having a lot of tanks though is that you still have to put a fair bit of juice in them to taste, right? If you just want to sample do you just prime the wick thoroughly without filling the tank?

Thanks again for all the replies. I guess I might have to bite the bullet and start looking at RBAs. I actually have an RDA and an RTA on the way, that I picked up in a whim when ordering other stuff, because they were very deeply discounted on the site I was ordering from, only a couple of bucks each. I'm not sure how easy these ones are to work with though, so maybe I'll look around to find something really beginner-friendly and give it a go.

And thanks, @bsidb and @73neb. I'll look into those wicks, as it sounds like they might be just the ticket.

Thanks again for all the replies.
 

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One thing I've never gotten into is building coils. I've pretty much just always bought them and then disposed of them. It's something I think I should learn to do, but... well mixing my own juice is a higher priority for me, and I don't want to bite off too much at once, especially since I'm pretty busy these days. Also, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy mixing juice- I'm cook a lot, and I tend to like things like that. I have a feeling that if I start making my own coils, etc., that I'll like having the control, but consider the doing something of a chore.

Go to YouTube and search for coil building videos along with the name of the atomizer you have. Coil building is the same for most atomizers on the market. The major difference is that some use standard Phillips screws to hold the coil in place and the rest use grub screws. Grub screws are known to most of us as Allen screws.

Once you watch a video of each type you will be ready to rebuild most any atomizer you buy. Kayfun is a good starter for MTL vaping. If you like cloud vaping, start with a Tugboat or a Griffin. There's also top coil and bottom coil atomizers. I think most will agree that bottom coils win out, but there are still those that like top coil vaping.

YouTube is full of tutorials for anything vaping related.
 

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Go to YouTube and search for coil building videos along with the name of the atomizer you have.

@DaveP Thanks for the advice! I've watched some videos about rebuilding and read a fair bit about it, so I have at least some idea of the process. But we have a saying in my field "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not."

I'm afraid I'm kind of a lazy guy in some ways though- my saving grace is that if I enjoy something I'll put a lot of energy into it despite my laziness. I don't particularly enjoy fiddling with small mechanical stuff (and don't have a great deal of talent for it,) but if I have a good enough reason I'm generally able to rouse myself and figure out how to do stuff.

I build my desktop computers from scratch, and speaking of your avatar and tag, I did eventually learn to do a lot of my own guitar work. My first electric had an early Floyd Rose, and boy were those trouble. I had to learn to do my own setup because I was dirt-poor at the time and could barely afford strings and parts, let alone having someone work on my guitars for me. I wish Youtube were around back then, it would have sa ed me a lot of heartache, I imagine. Is that your axe in your avatar? Pretty...
 

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Thanks for your post.
My pleasure!
For reasons that are hard to explain, even to myself, I stopped vaping and started smoking again maybe almost two years ago, after having vaped almost exclusively for more than three years.
We all smoked for different reasons (different triggers, needs, and satisfactions), and it is my opinion that to make the switch to vaping successful, you have to find solutions to those criteria. For me, I needed nicotine, and the sensation of something (smoke) in my lungs. I never smoked because I liked the taste.

My first experience with vaping was in the early days with the little cig-a-likes, which couldn't provide the "lung-feel" I required. So, even though I could make myself nearly nic sick, it was unsuccessful and I gave up. 2 years later, someone introduced me to an early tank (a Vivi Nova), and I actually coughed because the vapor was so dense (by comparison to the cig-a-like). I found my solution.

Then came the hunt for juice flavor. I tried various fruits, mints, and tobaccos; as that was about the extent of the choices back then. Again, for me, I learned I liked some of the fruits but there excessive sweetness made them cloying and I couldn't vape them very long, mints were good AND I could find a couple that weren't overly sweet, and tobaccos were okay but tended to make me jones for a real cigarette.

So my personal "solution" became a steady diet of mint, with an occasional fruit as a treat or to break up the monotony, and stay the heck away from tobacco flavors for about the first two years. The switch was pretty painless.
So even though I've been vaping for quite a long time, I'm not very advanced in a lot of ways.
I have been vape exclusively for 4 1/2 years now and I would not describe myself "advanced" either. Maybe "experience;" but even that is a stretch. I would probably use "content" as a better personal description. I tried chasing the "latest and greatest and newest" for a brief time, but didn't have the finances to continue the chase, so had to give up chasing. I found a few pieces that work for me and now I focus on making my DIY juices as good as I can for those. For me, it is cheaper, and more satisfying.
I'm going through a period of experimentation right now.
Smart! Find what works best for you!
One thing I've never gotten into is building coils. I've pretty much just always bought them and then disposed of them. It's something I think I should learn to do, but... well mixing my own juice is a higher priority for me, and I don't want to bite off too much at once, especially since I'm pretty busy these days.
Finances forced me to learn. $1.29 Vivi Nova coil head vs. a 5 cents worth of wire and cotton was a no-brainer for me. I can't do much more than a basic contact, and no contact coil, but it works for me. I am in awe of those who can do all the claptons, and staples and all the other wild coils, but like you, I have neither the patience, nor interest in developing the skill.

I did try a few store bought advanced coils to see if I could tell the difference, but I couldn't really, so I let that direction go.

Today, I look at coil building as a chore, like brushing my teeth or doing laundry. It isn't something I particularly enjoy, but it is necessary, so I do it.
Also, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy mixing juice- I'm cook a lot, and I tend to like things like that. I have a feeling that if I start making my own coils, etc., that I'll like having the control, but consider the doing something of a chore.
I think cooking is a good comparison to DIY; if you like cooking I think you will enjoy DIY. Time, practice, and patience are the keys to being successful.
What I don't understand about having a lot of tanks though is that you still have to put a fair bit of juice in them to taste, right? If you just want to sample do you just prime the wick thoroughly without filling the tank?
It kind of depends on the tank and the person. For me, I only need about 0.5-1mL of juice it a tank to get a really good idea of what I am vaping. An, yes you are correct, a thoroughly primed wick can give you a good 2 or 3 puffs (which may/may not be enough for adequate feedback)

As for the tanks, depending on how the tank assembles, some will place only the chamber cap (the dome that covers the coil and wick), and chimney (the tube that goes from the top of the chamber cap to the underside of the drip tip) onto the base, and then vape from the top of the chimney as if it were the drip tip. This effectively makes the tank an RDA (without really having the ability to drip... you still need to remove the chamber cap if you want to re-wet the wick). If you try this; use caution as the chimney can become hot fairly quickly depending on how high a wattage you like to use.
I guess I might have to bite the bullet and start looking at RBAs.
@anavidfan gave you advise that I would also give. If you go looking for RDA's (drippers); look for as small-chambered devices as you can find. The biggest differences (in rebuildable tanks and drippers anyway) are 1) chamber size - because a tank chamber has to fit within the tank; it is always going to be smaller. And 2) airflow - a tank's airflow is dictated by the diameter of the chimney. It doesn't matter how big the air holes/slots are if the chimney tube is restrictive. When searching for an RDA/dripper to use as a test apparatus; try to find something that mimics the tanks you like as closely as possible.

For me, that led me to do two things: find tanks that I like which have the largest bore chimneys; and buy a small chambered dripper, that would accommodate a dual coil build (because that is the set-up I seem to prefer in the tanks); and has adjustable airflow (not a big challenge these days as most seem to offer this feature) because even my largest bore tank still has a bit more restriction that a wide open dripper.

For tanks, I am currently using Vaporesso Gemini RTAs (note: these ARE the rebuildable versions; Vaporesso does also make at least one that uses a factory coil head which I have NOT tried (I won't pay the price for the heads)) and a Geek Vape Griffin RTA. All three perform very similarly.

For my test dripper I am currently using a Praxis Derringer RDA. It has the smallest chamber I could find, something I can (relatively) easily build my two coil builds on, and has my needed adjustable airflow.

For coil building; I like the simplicity of the Kuro Koiler/Coil-Master style of coiler. I find it pretty "Joel" (re: idiot) proof. It is not the only way, nor the "best" way, but it makes the "chore" tolerable for me. :D
 

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I've watched some videos about rebuilding and read a fair bit about it, so I have at least some idea of the process.
Another thought regarding coil building: I don't know what sort of local vape shop resources you have near you, but if you do have some local shops, I wouldn't hesitate to poke your head in one or two. Even here in little old Boise we have near a dozen, and I haven't found one yet, where they weren't willing to sit down and show you how to wrap.

I did this when I first started building, and asked the guy to let me do one at the same time as him, so I could get the feel for it, as he watched and demo'd at the same time. I bought my first wire and cotton from him, and in about 20-25 minutes, I had 4 working coils to take home with me, and a working understanding of what I needed to do.
 
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