Diacetyl in butterscotch and caramel

[J**2]

Hi guys and gals,

I recently contacted Natures Flavors about a disturbing rumor I heard mainly that their buttery or caramel or creamy flavors contain diacetyl.

Natures flavors confirms my suspicion. Their flavors that are buttery or caramel or creamy DO contain diacetyl.

Inhalation of diacetyl may cause serious irreversible lung damage.

While I have no direct evidence Cloudpure products have Natures Flavors in them and would never make an unsubstantiated claim as such several DIY people have suggested to me this is the case.

If COV products have NF flavors I would have a concern. I wrote Bruce but have received no reply.

Anyone know any more info.

Thx

Jeff


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[Bigbuyer]

My thanks to Jeff. I am working with my flavor company to find out if there is any diacetyl and if there is any risks.
My Organic Juices are made to be pure and free of chemicals. That is my main concern here.

 

[J**2]

Awesome Bruce. Thanks.


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[Bigbuyer]

Just to be sure and to show how serious I am about heath and vaping....
I have removed, Butterscotch, Vanilla Cream, Caramel Cream, Caramel Corn, Bananas Fosters, Kona Cream and Vanilla until I know for sure.
As I said, my whole concept of organic and healthy vaping means everything to me.

 

[Rowdy]

Noooooooo! not Butterscotch!!. It's not fair, I just found this flavor...

Rowdy

 

[happ]

Bummer just finished the last of my butterscotch and to hear this bums me out. I was also thinking about diying some and natures flavors was what I found and I guess I have to cross them of also. Please keep us posted Bruce.

 

[Bigbuyer]

Will do. The flavors may need to be reformulated. Whatever it takes, I will do it as long as its safe for all of us to vape.

 

[MrWarspite]

I just got in vanilla cream and botterscotch...should i toss them bruce?

I think its a standout thing your doing here, not often a buisiness chooses transparency and customer safety first.

 

[Snus]

Just to be sure and to show how serious I am about heath and vaping....
I have removed, Butterscotch, Vanilla Cream, Caramel Cream, Caramel Corn, Bananas Fosters, Kona Cream and Vanilla until I know for sure.
As I said, my whole concept of organic and healthy vaping means everything to me.

Irreversible lung damage???? OMG! The creams are my favorite flavors....

 

[Leothwyn]

I'm not saying that people should just go ahead and inhale diacetyl freely, but to add some perspective... It's my understanding that the lung damage came from people in a factory inhaling large amounts of the stuff all day long, day after day. NF said that there are trace amounts of it (naturally occurring) in some flavors.

 

[J**2]

When I called NF they said that it was in all their flavors. I think Bruce is a hell of a guy and a very responsible businessmen.

The problem with diacetyl is that it can cause really serious lung damage which is potentially irreversible. Don't take my word for it Check out some of the threads here on the board. There is one alleged case of a guy who was damaged from eating microwave popcorn for 15+ years.

This really sucks since I LOVE butterscotch. There is also info on the Tpa site.

Again Bruce is topnotch and a heck of a guy.




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[J**2]

When I said all their flavors I ment to say all buttery, creamy, and caramel flavors.


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[J**2]

This link gives much of the story

http://www.defendingscience.org/diacetyl-background.cfm

And

http://thepumphandle.wordpress.com/popcorndiacetyl/

Scary stuff.

Jeff


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[J**2]

Here is the article about the consumer who got serious lung disease from eating two bags of popcorn daily for years.

He got trace diacetyl.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2010/02/11/story-popcorn-lung-ten-investigates.html

What's even more discouraging is that some of the substitutes are alleged to be just as bad.


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[billyapd21]

Wow, this is really scary stuff.

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[MrWarspite]

after reading a bunch of the osha articles it seems like this stuff is in just about everything. Its generally considered safe if ingested. The problem is inhalation of it in vaporized form...which is, of course, exactly what we, the vaping community, is doing all day.

Popcorn workers are exposed to 3ppm of diacetyl at all times according to the epa study.
The guy who got the lung disease from popping heavy buttered microwave popcorn was exposed to the same levels but only directly after popping the popcorn in his kitchen. Keep in mind, every persons lung resistance to polution/chemicals and ability to repair from exposure is going to vary greatly.

So the real question is, in the case of eliquid with diacetyl based flavoring, what is ppm of diacetyl in the vapor we are inhaling and exhaling(important to those around you). Sadly, we wont know the answer to that unless we as a community fund an independent test. I dont even know where to begin to get that done.

The replacement's for diacetyl are more dangerous than the diacetyl itself.

Almost every one of my favorite juices has at least one of these flavorings. Lovely.

 

[Bigbuyer]

Working now with the chemists and our objective is a safe diacetyl free vape.
As I stated before. I want my juice to be safe since we gave up our unsafe addiction!

 

[Digital-Dragon]

Thanks for continuing to talk about this j**2!

Awesome attitude bigbuyer. I've always enjoyed shopping with you (though my wallet hasn't...) Great to know that you are really trying to be as safe as possible.

On that note, is thier a list of the "safest" juice and diy flavoring companies? Like do we know if cap/tpa/fa contain any diacetyl, or other stuff to avoid?

I loved nature's flavors, oh well...

 

[Leothwyn]

On TPA's site they give a warning when I flavor has it (or one of the similar chemicals). Not sure about the others.

Thanks for continuing to talk this j**2!

Awesome attitude bigbuyer. I've always enjoyed shopping with you (though my wallet hasn't...) Great to know that you are really trying to be as safe as possible.

On that note, is thier a list of the "safest" juice and diy flavoring companies? Like do we know if cap/tpa/fa contain any diacetyl, or other stuff to avoid?

I loved nature's flavors, oh well...

 

[J**2]

I think Bruce is one of the most honest and sincere guys out there.

I now only need one more piece to complete a GGTS.

We should all spend the money we would have spent on the pulled juice and buy a GGTS

Jeff. Vape on safely


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