Did Mitch Zeller Just Show His True Colors?

[DC2]

NO. The Ringleader is the One who makes the Final Decision on what Does and what Does Not Happen.

Well, I'm going to have to turn it back to you then...

Is the ringleader the one that makes the final decision?
Or the one that hires and fires the one that makes the final decision?

I already said it's Obama.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing.
:shrug:

 

[zoiDman]

Well, I'm going to have to turn it back to you then...

Is the ringleader the one that makes the final decision?
Or the one that hires and fires the one that makes the final decision?

I already said it's Obama.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing.
:shrug:

Now we are Getting Somewhere.

So if we All Agree that there were "Bigger" Ringleaders, why all the Flame on Zeller?

Because making Zeller the Fall Guy for all these seems to Divert Attention to where it Should Really Be Placed.

 

[DC2]

Point taken.

It's like firing the manager because the general manager brought in crappy players.
Or like blaming the general manager because the owner didn't have a high enough payroll.

Being a Padres fan, I am very familiar with how that works.


I remember when we fired Bruce Bochy.
I believe I was the last remaining Padres fan that did NOT want that to happen.
Yeah, look how that turned out.

Anyway, still doesn't make Zeller any less of a piece of crap in my book though.

 

[puffon]

"Hey Mitch, I got a plan!"....

 

[zoiDman]

Point taken.

It's like firing the manager because the general manager brought in crappy players.
Or like blaming the general manager because the owner didn't have a high enough payroll.

Being a Padres fan, I am very familiar with how that works.


Still doesn't make Zeller any less of a piece of crap in my book though.

Cool.

I wasn't trying to Bag on you DC. I'm just tired of all the Misguided Anger over Deeming. I say Lets start Holding those who Actually Pull the Levers Responsible. Verses just those who get their Pictures in Papers.

If the FDA is Hosed Up, I want to know How did the Person Running the FDA Get there in the 1st Place? Were they Appointed? Did Congress have to Approve the Appointment? Who in Congress Voted for this Appointee? And Who is Responsible for Overseeing the FDA?

 

[DC2]

If the FDA is Hosed Up, I want to know How did the Person Running the FDA Get there in the 1st Place? Were they Appointed? Did Congress have to Approve the Appointment? Who in Congress Voted for this Appointee? And Who is Responsible for Overseeing the FDA?

I'm assuming this was all rhetorical, but for those reading, I'll go ahead and answer...

The important players in "government agencies" like the FDA are appointed by the President.

These "government agencies" make regulations, which are similar to laws.
They also have the power to enforce those regulations.

The system of Checks and Balances that our country was founded in?
Completely bypassed.

 

[zoiDman]

...

The important players in "government agencies" like the FDA are appointed by the President.
Congress does not have a say, and there is no review process that I am aware of.

These "government agencies" make regulations, which are similar to laws.
They also have the power to enforce those regulations.

The system of Checks and Balances that our country was founded in?
Completely bypassed.

89 to 4 ?

Senate confirms Robert Califf as new FDA chief

Just saying that Califf is another Tool of BP in a Long Line of Complete Tools. So why did the President Appoint Him?

And better Yet... Why was he so Easily Confirmed?

 

[Rossum]

89 to 4 ?

Senate confirms Robert Califf as new FDA chief

Just saying that Califf is another Tool of BP in a Long Line of Complete Tools. So why did the President Appoint Him?

Because the President still wants to have Friends he can count on after he leaves office early next year. You know, people who will pay him nice sums for private speeches and such. Otherwise, it would be Difficult for him to maintain the lifestyle to which he and his family have grown accustomed over the last 7+ years.

And better Yet... Why was he so Easily Confirmed?

Because 89 Senators know that BP is a good source of butter for their bread.

 

[DC2]

Senate confirms Robert Califf as new FDA chief

Wow, I don't remember that last time I was THIS wrong about something.
Thanks for the correction, I have edited my post.

I hate posting incorrect information.
And I always try to make sure I know what I'm talking about.

That one went south in a bad way.

 

[zoiDman]

Wow, I don't remember that last time I was THIS wrong about something.
Thanks for the correction, I have edited my post.

I hate posting incorrect information.
And I always try to make sure I know what I'm talking about.

That one went south in a bad way.

Hey No Problem DC.

I think you probably Did know about this at One Time. But with All that has Happened with California, other States, and of course the FDA, it just Didn't Click.

I don't know about you? But sometimes I get so Mad that my Hands Literally Shake when I type some of this Stuff. It is Hard to Maintain Lucid Thoughts when I consider the Dynamics/Motivations that went into "Deeming".

 

[zoiDman]

...

Because 89 Senators know that BP is a good source of butter for their bread.

Here are There Latin words that Every Elected Official knows...

"Quid pro quo"

 

[DC2]

I don't know about you? But sometimes I get so Mad that my Hands Literally Shake when I type some of this Stuff. It is Hard to Maintain Lucid Thoughts when I consider the Dynamics/Motivations that went into "Deeming".

Yeah, I used to get that mad about a lot of this crap.
But I'm pretty much to the point of acceptance.

Mainly, an acceptance not of what is happening...
But an acceptance that MOST vapers aren't going to even TRY do squat about it.

The only thing that makes my hands shake now is those that call me an addict.
Even more so if it is one of our own.

And even MORE so if they dismiss what I have to say solely on that basis.
I have one particular person in mind here, and he knows who he is.
I don't know if he'll see this though.

And even if he did, I've been off nicotine for around 5 months now.
Not by choice, and not because of him.
But screw him anyway.

Yeah, I hold grudges sometimes.

 

[zoiDman]

...

Mainly, an acceptance not of what is happening...
But an acceptance that MOST vapers aren't going to even TRY do squat about it.

...

Yeah... I'm pretty much There myself.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - Sometimes when I read the Pages after Pages of what is going on, and I think of How the average OEM's/Retailers has Helped in Spreading Information about Advocacy, I hear this song in my Mind...



"A bad enough situation
Is sure enough getting worse
Everybody's crying justice
Just as soon as their business First."

 

[DC2]

Word.