Did VG "blow" your atty: Interesting Discovery

[Lightgeoduck]

I remember reading that some people seemed to have issues with their atties using 100% VG.... which kind of sort of worried me since I just recently ordered some to try.

The reason I say "kind of sort of worried" is that being on this forum you tend to find out alot of issues is caused by user error... that includes me, but of course I don't post my faults


ANYWAY now to my discovery... i am sure others discovered this as well, just not sure if it was posted already.. so here it is anyway



1. we all know that VG is much thicker than PG liquids
2. we also know when people use VG they usually prefer a PG/VG mix

What I discovered with using pure VG based juice (from the short time of usage) was that VG definately wicks slower....

I also discoverd by using an exposed atty (the 306) and dripping that after a set amount of puffs your batting in the atty under the bridge is dry BUT (this is an important but) you sill still get flavor and vapor for a bit

why is this an important discovery

Its important because if you are not paying attention I would imagine you could possibly be vaping a dry atty with out realizing it and possibly cause your atty to "blow"

This is only an observation of the possibilities since I don't really want to blow an atty to test out my theory

Another observation but this did happen to me is that vaping pure VG cakes your atty MUCH faster than a PG based liquid... so what seems to be a dead atty actually is an atty that needs a good cleaning.... this happens more so with 3.7v than with 6v but happens none the less.....


I definitely will continue to use pure VG(hella vape ) based juices and my mixes as well,,, I just have to apply some user care .



ADDED NOTE: I haven't tested but I imagine pure VG juice in a cartomizer would shorten the amount of refills you can get since I am sure the filling will gunk up fast...... I will one day soon test my theory out,,, but I would imagine myself to be right

Hopefully some find this helpful and as always don't hesitate to share your input as well
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[2_wheel_nation]

i know that it didn't take very long for the atty i was using for some VG juice to take on a particular burnt taste. i like the vapor, and VG doesn't seem to have the same "tang" as the PG juice i've tried. this burnt taste is starting to kill it for me though.

 

[316lvm]

I use VG because I can't use the other stuff. With glyercin, I get an itchy throat and develop a lot of phelgm.

I always cut my VG with distilled water. I find that it vapes better and the flavor is better (after sitting for a while). My atty's don't tend to get gunked up as fast either (using 901).

When it starts to get a hard draw, I blow out the atty I'm using and continue to vape. Once a week, I set that atty aside to drain and use a "new" one. I'll alternate between the 2 atty's.

So far, I've been using the same 3 atty's that I got 3 months ago.

 

[crashtestjeep]

I too have noticed those effects, but only when using home-brew VG mixes....when I use ecopure or other commercial VG stuff it seems thinned out more and it doesnt bother my atty. I think its the distilled water added that helps, I just havent found that "perfect amount" yet to add when doing it myself. My attys do however, last the LONGST using plain ol' DeKang juice....hands down! Sounds crazy bc its the cheapest juice but its true...for me anyway and I actually DO have a few flavors that I prefer thier version of....those attys using only dekang never seem to clog and Ive yet to burn one out using only dekang!

Keep up the great posts, GeoDuck- I always find ur posts pretty interesting!


PS-you ARE a duck

 

[Lightgeoduck]

I too have noticed those effects, but only when using home-brew VG mixes....when I use ecopure or other commercial VG stuff it seems thinned out more and it doesnt bother my atty. I think its the distilled water added that helps, I just havent found that "perfect amount" yet to add when doing it myself. My attys do however, last the LONGST using plain ol' DeKang juice....hands down! Sounds crazy bc its the cheapest juice but its true...for me anyway and I actually DO have a few flavors that I prefer thier version of....those attys using only dekang never seem to clog and Ive yet to burn one out using only dekang!

Keep up the great posts, GeoDuck- I always find ur posts pretty interesting!


PS-you ARE a duck

Thanks for pointing that out I thought about that and then forgot to repost


MY Comments are definitely based on "home brewed" or should i say the US mixed juices... I am not familiar with china bought vg juice.....

I also would like to say the USA made 100% VG juice is some good stuff and with proper user care... i will definitely use it as my main vape.... with the occational PG DeKang juice "bath".

 

[jxmiller]

lightgeoduck, I recall a short discussion we had in a chat room regarding my Waffle Juice (VG) clogging my atomizers. It has been reported by a few people that the particular batch I got was notorious for doing this... but as I have tested there is a way to potentially fix the issue. Here is what I found.

"Clogged atomizer" ... to me this is when the vapor production gets wispy in nature and eventually I get a very bad taste from the atomizer. What I did was to take pure PG and fill the atomizer tube to the top then blow it out the air intake and battery holes. I repeated this process about 5 times. After I was done I dried off the outer portion and battery connection parts of the atomizer, dripped in a few drops of a different (non waffle juice) 50/50 PG/VG custom mix... and viola problems solved.

Now that I did that it was about 5 days of us ing my own mix before the same problem occurred again. I did my rinse method with pure PG and all is well once again.

One other thing I will mention is that after using the waffle juice and even my own mix I do notice on my 910 a build up on the metal ring. It seems like a darker color as if something from the mix is not vaporizing or perhaps is heavier and ends up settling in there. After I rinse this residue is all gone. My current conclusion is that VG and certain other chemicals like food coloring are settling in and get concentrated around the atomizer (nichrome) and eventually reduce vapor production and finally give a bad taste. A rinse seems to fix this problem at least temporarily.

Also I notice in some recipies "Ethanol" in small amounts usually 1%. Perhaps this helps keep things clean and last longer in a VG and food coloring liquid? Not sure.

Edit:

Also... the same thing happened with my loranns butterscotch but the butterscotch clogged the atty way faster and I had to discontinue using that altogether. Every once in a while I will put in a single drop of loranns butterscotch into a mix but that's it.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Yeah i remember bits of that and the PG method rather than alcohol..... but I found if you occasionally drip a pg based liquid on the atty prior to loss of vapor production you can maintain it for much longer...

 

[silvaz]

For the last 10 days I use exclusively VG (ECOpure Krystal + ECOmix) adding Flavourart flavors. Vapor is great, uncomparable to that of PG and the taste is much better as well. I was thinking of adding distilled water but have no idea of the amount to use. Say like 1% or 2%. What's your suggestion?

 

[slade420]

Also I notice in some recipies "Ethanol" in small amounts usually 1%. Perhaps this helps keep things clean and last longer in a VG and food coloring liquid? Not sure.

Ive been researching VG and Ethanol as a carrier fluid for another project, the "other ingredient" is much thicker than the vg even. I found a university of Kentucky study that was using this mix, actually, i think they were actually using PG . Either way this "other ingredient" is like glue. Their ratio was 9:1 P.G. to ethanol. Although in this test is was not vapourized but administered through nasal absorption. Im guessing they used drops which would probably have to be quite runny to administer correctly, measuring ml and what not. im not a scientist so some details are kinda confusing. such as this line: Ethanol increased the Cmax of the "other ingredient" (p<0.05) does that mean .05 hours? or it changed by that much? who knows. anyway im guessing they were using pure ethanol, so using bacardi 151 proof or something of that caliber you would probably only need something like 9.5 : .5 ratio or something like that. Im gonna try n make somew-ee-djuice. n vap til i fall over.

oh and soaking your atty in vodka or something strong, you could even use iso. let it soak overnight. When you take it out, run it under some hot water. some ppl say boil it, but theres no need cuz the methyl alcohol or whatever you use has done the work for you. its usually best to do it fairly often, because the residue can turn to burnt on carbon. Which the alcohol might not remove.

 

[Keebler]

I am using Halo juice, which is thicker than the Dekang I had before. It does not wick as well due to the thickness of it, so i think it is a large percentage VG (if anyone knows let me know). I change out atties once a week, putting the used one in a shot glass of rubbing alcohol overnight. Then I soak it in distilled water overnight to rinse out the alcohol and let it sit until it is it's turn again. I am rotating 3 atties and have no issues with any.