Digiflavor Siren GTA

[52anddone]

Happy Easter - have a good time wherever you are and whatever you`re doing

Soggy Siren Saga: Random Update

Friday afternoon I did my usual once/twice weekly mass clean & rebuild (vape chores - it drives me crazy )

This time I paid particular attention to one Siren 25 and made a 3mm coil and stuffed it with rayon.

For testing purposes, I have only used this specific tank since then to give it a really good workout.

Now Sunday AM and on the 6th refill- it`s working absolutely fine - no leaking, no gurgling, no seepage at the base.

These things work great when they want to...as the old rhyme goes,
"When she was good, she was very, very good - but when she was bad, she was horrid"

Hey Fad, whats up. The first Siren I ever bought, a Black 25mm, is like that also. I still think it has to do with the fact of them Not changing their cutting, grinding, and milling attachments soon enough so as to keep things within tollerenses, so, while the first run of Sirens are within spec's, all subsequint runs get further and further out of spec and hence we start seeing varying amounts of leaking and bad fitment issues. That's just a guess on my part though.

edit; Try some KGD Fad, I have had good luck with it in my Siren's, so much so that I haven't even tried Rayon in my 25mm yet.

 

[52anddone]

Kat, I've PM'd you.

 

[Fad]

What IS the deal with gear that we have spend MONTHS trying to figure out to make it work?

A lot of devices in the past have had such glaringly obvious mistakes, I am absolutely convinced some of the factories actually do not know what they`re putting out - literally just churning out "some kind of gadget"

Having no clue what it is they are making, they wouldn`t even know if there was an obvious design error/problem.

(You can`t blame factory workers for this - it`s the stages before a product makes it to the conveyor belt that need to be scrutinised)

The designers of so many vaping items over the years have been woefully less than qualified to invent such gear.

I would normally disclaim such a statement with a generic "in my opinion" - in this case I will not.

It`s hardly surprising we get duff products that don`t work as expected and take a lot of figuring out.

I still think it has to do with the fact of them Not changing their cutting, grinding, and milling attachments soon enough so as to keep things within tolerances

I absolutely agree and this hadn`t been in my mind as much as it should.

This opens up a whole new can of worms...and could quite easily add to the 'perfect storm' in some circumstances.

"Try some KGD......"

I haven`t tried any cotton yet, I got rid a bag of unbleached pleated regular stuff from years ago that was just lying around collecting dust.

While I`m open to test different wicking materials, I also feel like it`s an effort in vain as I ultimately prefer to use rayon in any/all atomisers.

Devil/Rock > Me < Hard Place\Deep Blue Sea

 

[Katdarling]

Devil/Rock > Me < Hard Place\Deep Blue Sea

Save a seat for me?

 

[Katdarling]

Kat, I've PM'd you.

Be right there, 5-2.

 

[52anddone]

I only use either KGD or Sally's Rayon in All my RTA's, RDA's, and Yes, even my ClearO's. Some of my Toppers like Rayon better, and some like KGD better, but there are a few that work just as good with either. That's why I have both (actually I use 3 wicking materials, SS Mesh in my RSST). KGD expands, Rayon contracts when wet, and I take that into concideration First, in most cases, when choosing a wicking material for my atomizers, then I look at the wicking abilities of each, and lastly look at flavor. That's how I choose wicking for my different atomizers. In the case of my Siren 25mm, I saw the wick holes in the deck and surmized that I wanted to start off using a wicking material that expanded, so as to have a better chance of less leakeage thru those wick holes in the deck, so I have been using KGD and varying the width of the wick thru my 3mm coil (which I also chose as a better match for those wick holes than a smaller dia. Coil) to fine tune the size for better performance in wick longevity and wicking speed of my 60/40 PG mix. Most everything I do vape related is experimental, and the Quest for Best Continues.

 

[Droz]

With the theorised leaking-due-to-juice-coming-of-the-coil-down-the-airhole, would it be possible to solve this by raising the coil? I guess you'd lose a bit of flavour, but you might be able to get around that by putting in a bigger coil...

What do you guys think? I noticed quite a lot of juice coming out the air hole down the bottom on my last few fills (to deal with this, I normally open to the biggest airhole after filling, tilt it so the airhole is point 45 Degress to the ground and blow like crazy into a tissue - get a few drop coming out every time!) but I could never hear any gurgling which meant the chamber wasn't flooded.

 

[Fad]

I do raise the coils on everything as a matter of course...so was able to rule that out as being a specific issue causer.

We can`t lay all the blame at the feet of the Siren for leaking out of the bottom like a senile relative on a lengthy road trip.

Many other devices have, and do, do it too - some worse than others; even my fallback devices (Toptanks) which don`t leak will manage to eventually collect condensate in the base and eventually let it out slowly after a certain length of time.

This is why I prefer the v1 subtank bases on the Toptanks, they piddle less freely and by the time they want to let go, it`s time for a wick/coil change anyway.
I can deal with that.

Another thing to add into the mix is vaping style - chain vapers will cause more condensating liquid build up than a 2ml per day light vaper.

So many different causes with so many different possible effects, it could be impossible to tie it down to any one thing.

It`s the bane of my life though, juice dribbling out of the bottom - no matter what the reason.

Someone needs to invent a decent top-air-flow only unit with no possible way juice can escape out unless you`re a trapeze artist.

 

[DPLongo22]

I also raise my coils. I've yet to find a solution but continue to be very pleased with the vape.

When I require a guaranteed-no-leak (out & about), I select others (Egg Rolls, KFL V2+, Nauti, etc).

 

[Fad]

This is the trouble, it vapes really well !

If it didn`t I wouldn`t care less - if the random dribbles could be eliminated it would be almost excellent (save for a few improvements)

 

[DPLongo22]

This is the trouble, it vapes really well !

If it didn`t I wouldn`t care less - if the random dribbles could be eliminated it would be almost excellent (save for a few improvements)

 

[Fad]

It`s a tight press fit connection between the upper part of the coil deck (top piece shown) and the deck tube (bottom piece shown)

The plastic ring that sits around the airtube - {it sits up against the lower edge of the upper deck piece} - is hard plastic.
(I don`t know if this is supposed to be a seal or not - maybe just a spacer)

< There is a flange around the airtube which the plastic ring sits on.

In my opinion, the seal is not impervious and appears quite possible for liquid to seep down past it.

This is a possible explanation for base-weep that is NOT caused by poor wicking alone.

I would not suggest trying to remove the deck

One option to try and help seal this off is to add an o-ring below the removable post~&~insulator which is comparatively easy to access.

An o-ring here ^ might help towards preventing slow seepage.

I have just done this and will see what happens.

(it`s no guarantee of anything of course - but won`t hurt to test it out)

I`m still in the "honeymoon period" with these tanks but I do expect some level of consistency from my devices from one day to the next, my patience won`t hold out forever and if I get bored of trying to tame them or hit a brick wall where no options remain - then that will be that.

 

[Mazinny]

I have been using my two black 22's for about a week now. Some thoughts :

Flavor - Very good. As good as or better than any mtl tank i have used, including clearos and rebuildables. Slight downside to this is that i taste a very slight cottony taste with my KGD ( for the first half mil or so ), that i didn't notice in my other tanks. Not so pronounced that i can't ignore though, so i'm not looking for alternate wicking options.

Build Quality - Average. No major issues, but the threads and fitting could use some improvement if they ever make a V2.

Vapor Production - Really impressive. I get more vapor with the same liquid, coil and power level, than i do with other tanks. Design must be more efficient.

Leaking - Oddly enough i don't get any leaks from the air flow holes, but on one of them i get slight leaking from the side of the glass ( bottom part ). Must be an issue with fitting or with the bottom O ring ( more on that later ), and even more frustrating is that i don't get the leak all the time, i just haven't figured out what i did the times i didn't get leaking, so i can replicate the procedure. I am confident i will figure it out though.

Other issues - The bottom O ring gets stuck to the glass when i dis-assemble for cleaning. So far i haven't lost them since they are stuck to the glass, but i can foresee this happening in the future if i don't pay attention.

Another benefit i have noticed is i can vape about 30 to 50 % more with my NETs before i notice an off taste. Could be that NETs like the larger id coils ( i have settled on 3mm )

More later ...

 

[Mazinny]

On future availability of the Siren :

i spoke with someone at Eciggity and he wasn't sure if Geekvape will be making more of the Sirens or not. They sold reasonably well, but the vast majority of their ( Eciggity ) MTL customers use clearos ( mostly Nautilus ) and do not re-build, so there is a limited market for them. The Pharaoh on the other hand is selling so well, that as of now all of Digiflavors production capacity is dedicated to it.

 

[Xvagabondx]

I've been using the Siren 25 for more than 2 weeks daily and, so far, it's been a great tank!
I'm new to vaping (I dropped the analogic cigs a month ago) and definitely a newbie in rbas but with this atomizer I had almost 0 problems ( I figured out the proper wicking after the first rigen which flooded a bit the air intake).
The issues I found are the ones already mentioned by other users in the thread, although the one that I find more annoying is the air holes... there should definitely be a smaller one for a tight draw!

The only thing that I'm not sure about is the flavor: I use a kantal 30ga, 5 spires, 3mm ID for a 2.13 ohm at the moment and I tried other setups (and never gone sub-ohm). Now, the flavor is not bad, but I was wondering if I could get some more of it using a better setup!

Regarding availability, for the fellows that are in Europe (I'm Italian) I can say that it seems the 25 siren is still easily found; not so much for the 22 which was my first choice before realizing how hard is it to find that one!
I can say that the 25 version looks still pretty good on my evic mini vtwo!

 

[Mazinny]

The only thing that I'm not sure about is the flavor: I use a kantal 30ga, 5 spires, 3mm ID for a 2.13 ohm at the moment and I tried other setups (and never gone sub-ohm). Now, the flavor is not bad, but I was wondering if I could get some more of it using a better setup!

Welcome to ECF !

Impressive that you are already building your own coils after such a short time vaping.

On taste, I don't know at how many watts you vape, but i didn't like the taste on 30g kanthal if power went above 10 watts. Too little surface area, so at any given power level the coils get hotter compared to lower gauge wire. Give 28g or 26 g a try, you might experience a slight ramp up delay at lower power levels, but worth it imo. You could increase your power level slightly to eliminate the ramp up delay.

 

[JustWondering1]

On future availability of the Siren :

i spoke with someone at Eciggity and he wasn't sure if Geekvape will be making more of the Sirens or not. They sold reasonably well, but the vast majority of their ( Eciggity ) MTL customers use clearos ( mostly Nautilus ) and do not re-build, so there is a limited market for them. The Pharaoh on the other hand is selling so well, that as of now all of Digiflavors production capacity is dedicated to it.

Someone posted a link to a Reddit thread that says Digiflavor is going to release a new version of the Siren. I hope this is true and I hope that the improvements Digiflavor is planning for version 2 are improvements I will like. It's possible this is not true, but the poster claims to have heard it from Digiflavor in China.

 

[Mazinny]

Someone posted a link to a Reddit thread that says Digiflavor is going to release a new version of the Siren. I hope this is true and I hope that the improvements Digiflavor is planning for version 2 are improvements I will like. It's possible this is not true, but the poster claims to have heard it from Digiflavor in China.

Do you have a link to that Reddit post ?

I don't know exactly what the relationship is between Geekvape and Digiflavor, and who calls the shots, but i really hope this is true.

 

[JustWondering1]

I've been using the Siren 25 for more than 2 weeks daily and, so far, it's been a great tank!
I'm new to vaping (I dropped the analogic cigs a month ago) and definitely a newbie in rbas but with this atomizer I had almost 0 problems ( I figured out the proper wicking after the first rigen which flooded a bit the air intake).
The issues I found are the ones already mentioned by other users in the thread, although the one that I find more annoying is the air holes... there should definitely be a smaller one for a tight draw!

The only thing that I'm not sure about is the flavor: I use a kantal 30ga, 5 spires, 3mm ID for a 2.13 ohm at the moment and I tried other setups (and never gone sub-ohm). Now, the flavor is not bad, but I was wondering if I could get some more of it using a better setup!

Regarding availability, for the fellows that are in Europe (I'm Italian) I can say that it seems the 25 siren is still easily found; not so much for the 22 which was my first choice before realizing how hard is it to find that one!
I can say that the 25 version looks still pretty good on my evic mini vtwo!

Welcome to the thread! I'm happy to meet another Siren fan.

I usually use a 2.5 - 3.0 diameter kanthal coil at 1.3 - 1.5 ohms and vape at anywhere from 10 - 15 watts. The flavor is very good for me, especially after a 24 hour or so break in period for a new wick. The flavor will improve also if you lower your coil a bit. I can't think of anything else to suggest, except to use the smallest afc hole and turn the afc until the smallest hole is half closed. I also usually use juices that are 70% pg, so the flavor is pretty good.

 

[JustWondering1]

Do you have a link to that Reddit post ?

I don't know exactly what the relationship is between Geekvape and Digiflavor, and who calls the shots, but i really hope this is true.

Here you go...

It was posted by Dark Hawk.

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