They have three lines that are 70 vg as well. I believe Nicvape has a couple of max vg lines and they also sell concentrates so you can make your juice in any pg/vg ratio you prefer. They test every batch and have a system where you find the batch number on your bottle and check the results of the specific batch.
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Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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Dimitri Goes Off on Rant About Dishonest Liquid Vendors
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I am sad to say I believe that in the end this isn't going to hurt 5P one bit and nothing is going to change. 5P will continue to sell their high diketones eliquids not inform their customers about it although they might just might stop claiming it isn't in there or not and everything will go back to status quo in the online vaping world. I face the fact we are in a vaper community bubble here/online without the vast majority of vapers even knowing this went on with 5P let alone what diketones are or what they could do to them and 5P knows this too. All 5P is trying to do at this point is minimize and downplay this knowledge spreading to the online/social community and then they will sit back and wait for it to blow over until the next "big wtf" happens by and then it will be a distant memory.
Interesting how this thread veered away completely from the vendors who tested positive in VS results. None of those vendors took a public stance like five pawns ( threaten litigation, and declare proudly that there is AP in their juice and that they think it's fine and will continue to sell it ).
The vendors in the VS report either stayed silent, claimed the liquids tested were from old batches or promised to reformulate. And it seems like everyone has already forgotten about them.
The vendors in the VS report either stayed silent, claimed the liquids tested were from old batches or promised to reformulate. And it seems like everyone has already forgotten about them.
i know that Mad mikes is tested and free and clear of both Da/Ap they even posted the results on their facebook so you can see for yourself
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Ah, sorry, I worded that too ambiguously.
I prefer 70% PG and 50% VG is a little more than I can deal with.
I do vape 50% VG at times.
But I pay a price for it the next morning.
First of all, thanks for the reference.
But I don't do Facebook.
I want the results posted on the website.
Preferably right there when you start ordering a given liquid.
That's where the industry will eventually wind up.
And I was wondering who has already reached that endpoint.
It is not one businesses place to publicly call out another business for having something in their liquid that is(as of this point) arbitrarily unwanted by some consumers.
It's like if Whole Foods took out a newspaper ad detailing how Raley's produce is not certified organic, when Raley's never publicly advertised their produce as being organic.
This is a separate matter from when 5P employees told people they were diketone free, that in and of itself is wrong.
That is my opinion as a business professional who would never publicly "shame" a competitor, as that seems akin to political smear campaigns.
It's okay if you don't agree, like I said before, most people don't understand what professional means anymore.
I don't agree because your posts come across as an advocate for the " industry ", and not an advocate for the consumer. Nothing to do with professionalism. Cloud 9 posted their results after consulting with Dr. F and being told that the ethical step is to warn consumers. Five Pawns is not their direct competitor, They announced the addition of Five Pawns to their menu with great fanfare and they stood to gain financially by carrying the line.
If anything, most people don't understand what ethical responsibility means any more.
I don't remember that bold part happening, where is that posted?
It also doesn't change the fact that at this point, the D/AP issue is arbitrary.
If they sell their own liquid line, they are a competitor.
I'm not sure what you think my stake in any of this is, other than hoping that vaping is available for anyone who wants to partake in the future.
If C9's policy is zero DA/AP, and they chose to stock it without the known results, then who is that on? If they learn that they've been distributing product with more than zero DA/AP, then who is that on? Once they learned they were not distributing zero DA/AP product, they could remove that from their stock and say it has been removed because it doesn't contain zero DA/AP, and extend apologies to consumers for not doing due diligence on their end. They could also advise all interested consumers that if you are a vaper that seeks zero DA/AP in your vapes, that C9 suggests you not vape this product that they chose to distribute.
If the issue is zero DA/AP, then what does it matter what the amount is? A very low / negligible amount is going to be "too high" to at least some consumers expecting zero.
Publishing the lab results is playing dirty, and a C&D is being very kind to such a player.
while this is true other lung problems that are reversible will occur before permanent lung damage (B.O. occurs ) and the OSHA report shows that more workers developed these less serious problem,very few developed B.O.people with existing breathing problems do need to be much more careful but the FDA list over a dozen chemicals commonly used in flavoring that can be inhalation irritants.and no one is talking about these.irritants are commonly added to poison gas as a warning device since some of these gases are colorless and odorless.and as an asthmatic you are probably much more sensitive to irritants. if vaping is unpleasant than you need to change what you are vaping but irritation is a reliable indicator that something is not good for you.
I don't know what your stake is in all this to be honest. I can only guess by the content of your posts.
The bold part was posted in the UK Vapers forum by the owner of Cloud 9. The entire thread was removed at the request of Five pawns.
You may be right about the proper way for professionals to act, I really don't care. I don't even care about Cloud9's motives.
This topic matters to me, but there are people and entities of various kinds out there who would rather the conversation didn't happen, at least in public. What I do care about is the end result of what Cloud9 did. That is, this topic got pushed a little further out into the public sphere, and consequently I got to find out quite a lot more about what going on with respect to Diketones.
I now know that at least one vendor, and almost certainly others, are knowingly selling juice with high DK levels, and not telling their customers. I also know that some players are actively promoting disclosure. I know of several vendors who don't add DK's, and some that publish their results. I knew a little about all this before, and suspected more, but the aftermath of C9's actions has led to my knowledge level increasing. I have a more filled out picture of the matter.
As someone else commented today, it's likely that most vapers have never heard of DK's and have no basis to even make a decision on what to do about it. I can't see taking a position that would slow the dissemination of information about DK's to me and everybody else, just because it's not the proper way for professionals to behave. Or because it might give ammunition to our enemies. That's the cloud chaser argument. I very briefly agreed with the cloud chaser argument by the way. I got over that quite quickly. Opinions change, especially in the presence of information.
Yes... there was one particular ejuice I vaped that made my asthma go completely nuclear, and it was right after discovering that, that I became really interested in switching fully to DIY. The type of flavor that it was, blueberry pancakes, suggests to me that there very likely were some diketones in it; given my lungs' EXTREME! sensitivity and general tetchiness, the sort of damage that diketones could do to the bronchioles is probably why I noticed it within a matter of weeks, rather than a longer time which could have done permanent damage. Hopefully that very short exposure induced only irritation and not permanent damage -- it did begin to clear up within a few weeks after I stopped vaping it, though I'm not sure that my lungs have returned to the condition they were in, before I ever vaped it. I "just don't know" -- which seems to apply to a real lot of this vaping stuff, eh?
Thankfully I haven't reacted like that to any other ejuice or flavors.
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I don't care at all about "irritants" because I can live with a little irritation.
What I don't want is lung destruction.
And nobody said that lung destruction is preceded by irritation.
Lung destruction can happen without ANY signs of irritation.
yes it could have been diketones or one of over a dozen other inhalation irritants used in flavorings but poison gas was one of the hazardous materials I transported when I was working and in my training we learned to rely on that irritation because many poison gasses have no smell or wipe out your sense of smell too quickly for you to detect them
I think that's true, if one has "normal" lungs to start with (no pre-existing lung dysfunctions at all), but people with asthma have a sort of "early warning" system, which is what brings on all the wheezing and coughing, etc -- people with normal lungs can stand wood-burning fires, for example, but if I spend more than an hour around one, I may be in serious trouble. Then some wise guy will say, then how did you stand smoking, all those years? Because, mr. wise guy, there are bronchodilators (theobromine) in commercial cigarettes, along with those "smoothing" agents -- topical anesthetics.
Andria
REALLY? what chemical causes tissue destruction without causing pain or irritation?
I am sure C9 will no longer trust a company to forward test results after this - and will require them to do so before they stock as they will have learnt trust may not be well placed (as have many of us). I'm sure they will no longer take anybody's word for what isn't in their juice and regret doing so with 5P. When you find out someone - who has told you they have no d/ap in their juice (and they will forward their test results as proof)- has very high levels - you have a choice about what you do.They choose to publish levels and so in effect told customers both why they no longer stocked and that if they wanted no d/ap 5P wasn't for them. 5P's results confirmed this.
Equally - if levels are high what does it matter how high they are? So what is 5 P's problem? I think C9's site outlines the tolerances that they accept and I have no doubt 5P were aware of this. (Obviously if you don't believe 5P were aware of this we will never reach common ground).
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