Disappointed. Suggestions?

[Knowone]

I don't usually post this type of thing, but I am pretty disappointed. I want to make sure that anyone who reads this knows that my intention for this post is to gain information from people who are more familiar with these juices than myself.

Here's some of my background information in case it helps in some way to more fully understand where I'm coming from: I am somewhat new to vaping ,only having started about six months ago. I've tried flavors from three other online juice vendors. Of those vendors, one is a juice-on-demand type DIY vendor like Ms. T. I won't name these vendors because I don't want this to be a who's-better-than-who thing. I am using an eGo 510, with LR attys and CE2 ceramic cartos. Also, a 5v pass-through from Madvapes with standard attys. The flavors I ordered are at the end of this post.

I'm not really sure where to start.

The wait for the order was my fault because I did not read anything in this sub-forum, or the warnings on Ms. T's front page until a week had gone by without any sign of my order. My fault, though I will say that I placed the order on February 28, and received it today.

The first thing that I noticed about the juices themselves was that all of them seem to have an intensely pungent odor. I can't really describe it other than being overpoweringly sweet. The weird part of this is that the odor is the same for every flavor I ordered (except the Rose, which smells like lemons), and it doesn't seem to matter whether the caps are on the bottles or not. The bottles are all capped and in a box in a drawer in my desk, and I can still easily perceive the odor.

The smell isn't, itself, a wholly terrible thing, though my nose is already a bit fatigued by it. But, it gave me the false impression that I was about to be inundated with clouds of tasty vapor. The oddness of the pungent odor is compounded by the absolute lack of flavor in the juice when actually vaped. Maybe I built these flavors up too much in my mind. I feel that some of the problem may be the heat of the LR attys. I haven't tried any of the juices in a regular resistance atty yet, but I feel this may improve the flavor, and I will try and report what I find after I post this.

I get the feeling that the lack of flavor may partially be caused by the thinness of the liquids. All of them are much more thin than any other liquid I have seen thus far, even 100% PG liquids. I was under the impression that these were a PG/VG mix. Maybe PG exists in varying degrees of viscosity, but I hadn't imagined this before. The liquids are so thin that they will drip out of the bottles quickly enough to make it somewhat difficult to drop only two or three drops into a drip tip without spilling it or dropping way too much in. It is so thin that it seems to pass straight through my attys and puddle in the overflow ring of my batteries. Good thing they're sealed batteries.

I want to stress that I am not over-dripping and flooding the attys. With other liquids, I put about 4 or 5 drops in a freshly cleaned atty, and I usually puff on it two or three times, and add another drop or two depending on how it tastes. I find that this nicely primes the atty and I am able to drip normally afterward.

Of course, I'm hoping that these flavors will improve after some steeping, and also hopefully gain some viscosity. I will give them all a full chance again in a week or two.

Unless someone has some idea of something I may be missing. Am I the only one who has experienced these things? I guess it's so disappointing because Ms. T has such an amazing reputation. I really wanted to be blown away.

The flavors I ordered:
Mango Juice
Mandarin Orange
New Watermelon
BlueRaspberry
Orange Dreamsicle
New Marshmallow
Apple Pie a la Mode
Strawberry Lemonade
Rose Water (a test flavor)


Addendum to Ms. T, or anyone affiliated with her that may read this - Much love for all of your hard work and I congratulate you on your success with your e-juices! I am thankful that I was even able to test your flavors out, and I have high hopes that I will be fully wrong about this first impression. I am also aware of the unfortunate email issue, and, being and IT professional, I can fully understand the stress that this type of situation invokes. With this post I just wanted to be honest, and, like I said, I think I made this uncharacteristic post because I had such immense expectations.

Again, much love!

 

[Knowone]

Update:
Having tried several of the flavors on a couple standard resistance attys, there is no change. I feel like I'm vaping air. The flavors smell so strong, but I can barely taste them at all when I vape them.

I guess I'll let them steep a couple weeks and try them again.

 

[Scottitude]

I haven't tried any of the flavors you listed but steeping is always a good idea, almost a necessity, especially with made-to-order mixes.

I can say that out of the Mrs. T's flavors I have tried, only the Teaberry Gum had (and to some degree still has) an odd chemical-like smell and aftertaste. The Teaberry aroma and flavor is spot-on right out of the bottle but I'm hoping a couple more weeks of steeping will mellow out the chemical-like odor and aftertaste.

That said, the other flavors I've tried were tasty and smelled like the labeled flavors right out of the box and keep getting better. Those flavors are Pomegranate, Plum, Cinnamon Danish Banana, and Juice Fruity Gum. I've already stocked up on 30 ml more Pomegranate and am currently waiting on (151 orders away as of today) the following:

• Juice Fruity Gum 15ml
• Cinnamon Danish Banana 15ml
• Orange Dreamsicle 15ml
• Mango 6 ml
• Mountain Pop 6 ml
• Cotton Candy 6 ml

The last four I've not yet tried but have high expectations since 3 out of 4 flavors from the first order were perfect for my taste-buds. That's a much higher level of flavor satisfaction than I've gotten from any other supplier, including some that have very viral supporters. Don't get me wrong, there are other suppliers with excellent flavors, but when sampling them, I usually get one that's outstanding and four to six that are reasonably tasty but nothing that makes me want to stock up as soon as I crack open the bottle.

FWIW, all mine are 18 mg nic and my primary hardware is a 5v GLV-2 with standard resistance Boge 510 cartos with a drip-tip for comfort and easier topping off.

Keep us posted and let us know how things progress for you. If I like the Mango and Dreamsicle I have on order, I'd most likely be willing to work out a trade or some other arrangement through PMs.

Whatever you do, don't dump them!

 

[nicosnack]

Definitely kind of odd. I don't notice any particularly strong odor. I generally end up not caring for fruit flavors which I always find oddly harsh, it seems. I have tried her Orange Dreamsicle and Strawberry Lemonade. Really liked the latter one, tasted great. I have a 3.7 volt mod and get lots of tasty vapor. I'd say maybe a bad bunch, but you have lots of different flavors.... sucks after such a long wait.

 

[Tempus Fugit]

OK, I guess I will chime in here, and I must say, your post was mostly perplexing to me. I will give you a bit of my background. I have been working for Ms T since November, so I have seen a great deal more feedback on her juices than most anyone else. I have also been using her juices for over a year and a half, and I have tried many other kinds from countless other places as well. I use a Bartleby, a Vypr 510, a GLV2 Mini, and an Ego. None are over 3.7v, and I have used most styles of atomizers/cartos/tanks/etc that will fit the 510 fitting. I am particularly fond of the LR atties, and I drip almost exclusively with them these days. I do about 5 drops in a dry atty, hit it 3-7 times until I notice a bit of harshness, then do three drops at a time afterwards (I use less when using de-bridged LR atties).

First, I would like to say that your comments about flavor and viscosity are very inconsistent with what we regularly hear from people, and with my own experience. This is especially true for several of the flavors you mention. Flavorings play a huge role in both of these things. Ms T does use a VG/PG base, and everyone is aware that there is more VG than PG. The fact is that PG is the thinner of the two. I have had straight PG liquids that are like water, and straight VG that are like motor oil. None of Ms T's juices fall into either category there. But again, the flavorings play a role. They typically come as a PG suspension. To achieve certain levels of flavor, some flavorings require addition in higher percentages. This will, in fact, thin the juices to an extent. If it thins too much, we do not use it. We have an apple flavor that is to die for, but no one will see it because it turns out too weak on flavor, and cannot take a greater quantity of flavoring without making it very thin. Some of the flavors you mention, like Mandarin Orange and Apple Pie do tend to be a little thinner than others because of the amount of flavorings that must be added, and some like Orange Dreamsicle in particular, turn out much thicker. Several others you mentioned are on the more viscous side as well.

As far as the flavor goes, I really do not know how to address that. You ordered many popular flavors, and you are literally the first person to claim they have no flavor on several you mention, and they have been out for a very long time. If I am correct (and judging from other posts you have made), you typically go with a nic level around twice what you ordered from Ms T. This will definitely have an effect on throat hit, which sometimes people mistake for flavor. The comment you made, "I feel like I'm vaping air" is common among those who mistake throat hit for flavor when using a reduced nic level. I do not know if you are someone who switched over from cigarettes like most of us, but if so, maybe your sense of taste has not yet recovered fully. I know it took awhile for me, and most things seemed to have little flavor at first. Regardless of the reason, this seems to be another indication of how totally subjective flavor perception really is.

Addressing the thinness again, I have also not had the experience of not being able to control the amount of Ms T's liquid I am squeezing into my atty. I have been there before with other companies who use a PG base and those thicker, brittle feeling plastic bottles. With those, yeah, I have squirted juice into my atty instead of dripping, which caused biblical flooding. Ms T's bottles are much softer and more pliable, and I often find myself having to squeeze them a little harder than I would expect because of the thickness of her juices. I hope you realize that I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong, but that what you stated seems very inconsistent based on my own experience and the multitudes of positive comments we receive from others about the thickness. One of the thinnest liquids I currently have (our Tangermint), is in a full 6ml bottle. If I remove the cap and hold it upside down, it takes 15 seconds for one drop to form and detach from the dropper without applying any pressure. I have a 15ml bottle of Unflavored that is 1/2 full, and after holding upside down for 2 minutes, while applying minimal pressure, a drop did not even form at the tip of the dropper. Of course the Unflavored is our standard base, without any flavorings added so it should technically be the thickest.

The strong smell of the juices I won't really argue, every time I open that little plastic bag containing the bottles, I get a strong whiff of the flavors inside. I can smell them sometimes when the bottle is sitting 3 feet away from me too. I don't know what to say about that because without the smell, there probably would not be any flavor. I am confused about how you say they all have the same smell, because I am pretty sure I could tell the difference between New Watermelon, Orange Dreamsicle and BluRaspberry blindfolded, and with a finger in each nostril. Also, no one else has said that the Rose smells like lemon.

Please don't take all this too hard, it is just that I am not sure exactly where you are trying to go with this, and like I say, the inconsistencies are what really made me want to respond. Go ahead and steep them for a bit, they will thicken some and the flavors will mellow. They will also turn a bit darker. Orange Dreamsicle may surprise you with how dark it will become. This is normal. As it was already stated in another post, don't toss them, you probably won't have any trouble trading some of those on the Trading Post if they never meet your expectations. Sorry if the juices were not exactly what you expected, but you have to believe me when I say that I am just as, if not more confused about your statements than you are.

Brandon
Ms T's Bakery

 

[jeannest]

I've had the new watermelon and apple pie ala mode. I think both are delicious. I also find Ms.T's juices to be thicker than most vendors. It's really strange, maybe you should let them sit for a week?

 

[omrebel]

Would heat have an effect on the juices? I'm wondering if perhaps during transit they got stored somewhere extremely hot for a period of time? Of the juices that I have ordered, and those that my coworker has ordered, all of them have very strong flavors to them - much more so than the majority of other vendors that I have ordered from - and they are generally thicker than the other juices I have bought from past vendors. So, trying to find a possible cause for the issue you are having, I am really wondering if perhaps heat had some sort of effect on your juices for all of them to have turned out like that? Just a thought....

 

[springfling]

I would give them a week and see if you feel the same about them. Maybe try the flavors in a clean cartomizer then. In my experience, I do find her juices pretty sweet but that is what I like about them. You can always trade for different juices or sell them on the classifieds.

 

[Griffin]

Would giving them a good shake make any difference?

I recently received my first order and couldn't resist trying a few flavors as soon as I got them, but found them to be obscenely strong. I waited a few days to try them again and found them to be very weak. In thinking about it, I suspect that I may have forgotten to shake them and basically vaped nearly pure flavoring that wasn't well mixed in, on that first day. Doh!

 

[HarmonyPB]

Would giving them a good shake make any difference?

I recently received my first order and couldn't resist trying a few flavors as soon as I got them, but found them to be obscenely strong. I waited a few days to try them again and found them to be very weak. In thinking about it, I suspect that I may have forgotten to shake them and basically vaped nearly pure flavoring that wasn't well mixed in, on that first day. Doh!

I definitely had this experience on one of her juices!! It was so strong I couldn't vape it And I filled an entire carto with it. I eventually made it through (over about a month) mainly letting it sit out hoping it would dry out. I realized that I should have given it a shake and haven't had a problem since! So you're not alone

 

[loft]

I am having similar issues with the flavor on 2.0/2.5/3.0ohm cartos. I just received the order today so it may be partially my own fault... but the aroma given off by each bottle is absolutely fantastic so I couldn't wait to try them. How long should I let these steep before attempting any others?

 

[siouxsie]

In my experience, Ms. T juices are very pungent even when in the bottle. MUCH more so than any other vendor I've tried. And this varies of course by flavor. To me it's not a bad thing, as most smell WONDERFUL.

Regarding flavor. I've had juices that no one talks about that I love and juices that get raves and I get virtually no flavor. Taste is so subjective, and it can be affected by what you were vaping before, your equipment, your hydration level, steeping (you really should steep made to order juices at least a week, preferably two, especially if they don't meet your expectations out of the box.) I've seen comments by others, outside of this forum of course, panning Ms. T juices for lack of flavor but then when I try the vendor they recommend, I am underwhelmed. There are just so many factors that can affect it but if you're steeping it properly at room temp and shaking the bottles thoroughly, and you still don't care for it, then it might not be for you. The fact there are so many choices that have gone through testing to achieve their final recipe should tell you that what you're experiencing is not so much the norm for this vendor.

As far as consistency and vapor, I find her juices to be spot on, FOR ME. She does stress shaking the bottles before use and during, if you are dripping for example, so that the ingredients if separated have a chance to re-mix. Also I have learned from my own DIY that yeah if you are going for a certain PG/VG ratio, you really can only know what your VG percentage is, because of what Tempus stated, that many flavors are in a PG suspension, but you don't know what percentage.

In conclusion, there are probably 20+ flavors out of the many that I've tried that I LOVE and it's a much higher percentage than other vendors and there is consistency from batch to batch also.

EDIT: It can be difficult getting a good mixing by shaking in the 6mL bottles as there just is not much room left in the bottles after filling so you really have to make like a paint can mixer and go to town on them.

 

[siouxsie]

I am having similar issues with the flavor on 2.0/2.5/3.0ohm cartos. I just received the order today so it may be partially my own fault... but the aroma given off by each bottle is absolutely fantastic so I couldn't wait to try them. How long should I let these steep before attempting any others?

Feel free to try them out of the box, but give them two weeks steep time at room temp in a dark place. I find also that when I shake them only before and after steeping and not during, it seems to bring out more flavor. It may not really have that effect, but to my mind it does.

So in future when and if you find flavors you like, keep the lead time for orders and steeping time in mind, so that you won't find yourself out of juice and needing to vape made to order juice that hasn't had time to mature.