Disposable Autopsy (smoke51, epuffer)
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Yes, the newer ones I am talking about are the KR808Ds. In particular ones from vapornine and vaporello (now eastmall.)
This was very informative. Excellent pics.
I have the Vaporello, DVP9, and VK. A DVP9 cart off a brand new battery that I had been using for 7 hours in a row showed no burning and was about half used up; there was a small light brown patch on the innermost filling/seperator material that was not actually burned, it look just slightly discolored from the juice; no other material or components showed any signs of wear. I'd say the vaporello is the same, but will check it.
Now, the VKs showed small signs of burning/melting. A cart that had about 2 cigs vaped on it showed some signs of burning on the inner most covering. One that had about 5 cigs vaped on it showed more signs of burning on the inner cover and the inner material part showed some signs of melting. Many also taste terrible even after just a few puffs. (Hence the 2 & 5 cigs worth, smoked a good while apart) I am wondering if it is more a battery issue than a cart issue on the Vks because I put a VK cart on a DVP9 and it did not taste so bad at all but then back on the VK it had that terrible taste. Can't remember which cart, so I can't check it.
Hope this helps, Ginger
I have the Vaporello, DVP9, and VK. A DVP9 cart off a brand new battery that I had been using for 7 hours in a row showed no burning and was about half used up; there was a small light brown patch on the innermost filling/seperator material that was not actually burned, it look just slightly discolored from the juice; no other material or components showed any signs of wear. I'd say the vaporello is the same, but will check it.
Now, the VKs showed small signs of burning/melting. A cart that had about 2 cigs vaped on it showed some signs of burning on the inner most covering. One that had about 5 cigs vaped on it showed more signs of burning on the inner cover and the inner material part showed some signs of melting. Many also taste terrible even after just a few puffs. (Hence the 2 & 5 cigs worth, smoked a good while apart) I am wondering if it is more a battery issue than a cart issue on the Vks because I put a VK cart on a DVP9 and it did not taste so bad at all but then back on the VK it had that terrible taste. Can't remember which cart, so I can't check it.
Hope this helps, Ginger
thanks for the great pics. after looking at your handy-work, i think i know what has happened to my first atty failure.
i'm gonna try some of the cleaning suggestions posted elsewhere, and if that doesn't do any good, then i'll be trying to disect my DSE 103 atty in search of a similar problem
i'm gonna try some of the cleaning suggestions posted elsewhere, and if that doesn't do any good, then i'll be trying to disect my DSE 103 atty in search of a similar problem
I have just ordered a KR808D batt and some carts from Drew so looking forward to those...
Up to this point - A nice person from here had sent me something from ecig-china called an SGE406 - which was a 901 batt with cartomizers. I'm hoping from talk on this forum and such that the incoming stoofs will work with my current charger, etc.
The best throat hit and flavor I have ever experienced to date - why I'm so excited to get my stoof from Drew, BUT I did notice as was mentioned earlier that all of the cartrideges could not be puffed on for more than a couple of min each or they were so hot it would burn your lips.
The draw is incredibly light and easy. Every single draw has about a 2 second 'burn off' I guess you would call it - or you can try to keep direct inhaling to run it out LOL. And it also does an 'intermittent' cleaning every 3rd hit - trying to think how to describe - basically the LED blinks 5 times, and you can hear the cartomizer sizzle each time. Definitely an interesting battery.
Take care,
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Up to this point - A nice person from here had sent me something from ecig-china called an SGE406 - which was a 901 batt with cartomizers. I'm hoping from talk on this forum and such that the incoming stoofs will work with my current charger, etc.
The best throat hit and flavor I have ever experienced to date - why I'm so excited to get my stoof from Drew, BUT I did notice as was mentioned earlier that all of the cartrideges could not be puffed on for more than a couple of min each or they were so hot it would burn your lips.
The draw is incredibly light and easy. Every single draw has about a 2 second 'burn off' I guess you would call it - or you can try to keep direct inhaling to run it out LOL. And it also does an 'intermittent' cleaning every 3rd hit - trying to think how to describe - basically the LED blinks 5 times, and you can hear the cartomizer sizzle each time. Definitely an interesting battery.
Take care,
- Hap
So does this disposable cartomizer vaporize from the very middle of the filler?
What is the difference between this and "flooding" a normal atomizer? (Which, if I understand correctly, is bad)
What is the difference between this and "flooding" a normal atomizer? (Which, if I understand correctly, is bad)
does anyone have an opinion about the cartomizers and kr808d model that's being offered at mist stix?
Nice job with the pictures UDAVE. Now I Know what the guts of my Kinght Sticks cartridge design should be. I plain to refill my cartridges as much as possible
First, note that I don't smoke. Rather I am trying to turn some KR808 E-cigs into a smoke machine for a puppet stage.
Obviously the coil is where the smoke is generated. The coil is apparently wrapped in some special stuff... perhaps wicking material that can withstand being in direct contact with the coil. Then, a separate absorbent absorbent material is wrapped around the outside of that inner wick, and provides the bulk of liquid storage.
Thus, the fluid flow is from the outer wick, then gets absorbed into that inner wick around the coil. When the coil is heated it vaporizes liquid in contact with it. The vapor then flows out through the center of the coil as air is drawn through the long hole down the center of the cartridge.
What puzzles me is the two other short pieces of woven, wick-looking stuff that above and below the coil. I am surprised that they didn't simply continue to use the same stuff that is around the coil itself. They are going to some trouble to cut those pieces and arrange them.
Really, these are just guesses. I want to understand better, because I may try to make my own atomizer based on the design of these cartomizers. I am hoping that I can make the smoke denser.
The atomizer I am thinking about would use a wick made from a stove gasket type material (a woven ribbon of fiberglass -it would look like shoe lace material). Then I would form a loop of this, perhaps 1/2" diameter around a core of some sort (perhaps wood dowel). A loop of nichrome wire would be wrapped around this wick so that it stays in contact against the wick.
Then, after wetting the wick with juice, I would turn on the electricity and expect the juice to get vaporized. Furthermore, since the juice would not have to travel much distance through the wick, the design would allow for a lot of vapor to produced for a longer time than a standard E-cig.
This concept may work nicely for a pipe design for those who smoke, as I understand that a pipe smoker typically doesn't inhale the smoke to their lungs. But they want a dense smoke for the flavor to be sensed in their mouth.
Do you think my design idea is valid?
Joe Dunfee
Obviously the coil is where the smoke is generated. The coil is apparently wrapped in some special stuff... perhaps wicking material that can withstand being in direct contact with the coil. Then, a separate absorbent absorbent material is wrapped around the outside of that inner wick, and provides the bulk of liquid storage.
Thus, the fluid flow is from the outer wick, then gets absorbed into that inner wick around the coil. When the coil is heated it vaporizes liquid in contact with it. The vapor then flows out through the center of the coil as air is drawn through the long hole down the center of the cartridge.
What puzzles me is the two other short pieces of woven, wick-looking stuff that above and below the coil. I am surprised that they didn't simply continue to use the same stuff that is around the coil itself. They are going to some trouble to cut those pieces and arrange them.
- Perhaps the stuff in the center is to expensive to waste.
- Another person on another thread had mentioned that liquid will flow from a less absorbent material into a more absorbent one. So perhaps it somehow controls the flow of liquid.
- Another idea is that perhaps the stuff around the coil is easily crushed. The coil keeps it out, but they needed to keep the central hole open on the upper and lower portions of the tube, and so added those two pieces of tube stuff to keep it open.
Really, these are just guesses. I want to understand better, because I may try to make my own atomizer based on the design of these cartomizers. I am hoping that I can make the smoke denser.
The atomizer I am thinking about would use a wick made from a stove gasket type material (a woven ribbon of fiberglass -it would look like shoe lace material). Then I would form a loop of this, perhaps 1/2" diameter around a core of some sort (perhaps wood dowel). A loop of nichrome wire would be wrapped around this wick so that it stays in contact against the wick.
Then, after wetting the wick with juice, I would turn on the electricity and expect the juice to get vaporized. Furthermore, since the juice would not have to travel much distance through the wick, the design would allow for a lot of vapor to produced for a longer time than a standard E-cig.
This concept may work nicely for a pipe design for those who smoke, as I understand that a pipe smoker typically doesn't inhale the smoke to their lungs. But they want a dense smoke for the flavor to be sensed in their mouth.
Do you think my design idea is valid?
Joe Dunfee
I just perfomed my own autopsy. Well at least a partial one. I wasn't able to get the base off. However, I did do some investigation into the absorbant materials after I had washed them out.
They both seem to be made of the same, or at least similar stuff. Both will shrink back when heated, and both will burn. So, both seem to be synthetic material. I had expected the core material to be something flame proof, like fiberglass, but I was wrong.
The two small tubes (the ones about 1/4" long x 1/16 Diameter) do seem to be flame proof. I tested them in the flame of a butane cigarette lighter.
I imagine that the wetness of the wick is what keeps it from burning. Sort of like holding a full paper cup over a flame, and witnessing it not burn. The water prevents the paper from rising above the boiling point of water. Likewise, a wet wick will not rise above the vapor point of the smoke juice as long as it is wet with the juice.
Now as for the dense wick wrapped at the core, I think this is to help the flow of the juice. I suspect that the juice will be more readily absorbed by the denser fibers, and so the flow of the liquid tends towards the denser fibers at the core. But, really, this is a guess.
So, in conclusion, my post asking about the viability of a simple loop of nichrome wire around a wick is viable.
Joe Dunfee
They both seem to be made of the same, or at least similar stuff. Both will shrink back when heated, and both will burn. So, both seem to be synthetic material. I had expected the core material to be something flame proof, like fiberglass, but I was wrong.
The two small tubes (the ones about 1/4" long x 1/16 Diameter) do seem to be flame proof. I tested them in the flame of a butane cigarette lighter.
I imagine that the wetness of the wick is what keeps it from burning. Sort of like holding a full paper cup over a flame, and witnessing it not burn. The water prevents the paper from rising above the boiling point of water. Likewise, a wet wick will not rise above the vapor point of the smoke juice as long as it is wet with the juice.
Now as for the dense wick wrapped at the core, I think this is to help the flow of the juice. I suspect that the juice will be more readily absorbed by the denser fibers, and so the flow of the liquid tends towards the denser fibers at the core. But, really, this is a guess.
So, in conclusion, my post asking about the viability of a simple loop of nichrome wire around a wick is viable.
Joe Dunfee
WAY off topic...Udave is your avatar a picture of Robert Downey Jr. vaping?
That is Hunter S. Thompson
I got all paranoid after reading three or four posts about smoking the fabric or whatever is around the wick and dissected a cart I thought may have a burnt/stale taste to it and yeah it looked burnt but not like the picture. Just some dark brown around the wick.
Then since I was even more paranoid I dissected a cart I had kept refilling about 3 or 4 times (actually not refilling but just topping it off so it wouldn't burn) and it was full of juice and no burn
So....my guess is that if you don't keep the cart full, or even just keep topping it off, the chances of it burning are more likely. Now that I know if I keep topping off the carts, they probably won't burn, I am less paranoid. Yay!
Then since I was even more paranoid I dissected a cart I had kept refilling about 3 or 4 times (actually not refilling but just topping it off so it wouldn't burn) and it was full of juice and no burn
So....my guess is that if you don't keep the cart full, or even just keep topping it off, the chances of it burning are more likely. Now that I know if I keep topping off the carts, they probably won't burn, I am less paranoid. Yay!
This is a Blu disposable I necropsied and marked-up for a recent blog post (on Wordpress.com, not here) on the basics of e-cigarettes. I was trying to show my readers that we don't smoke robots or integrated circuits and emphasizing the benefits of harm reduction using them.
Kristinz, I am an ardent proponent of the word yay. Yay!
and emphasizing the benefits of harm reduction using them.
Kristinz, I am an ardent proponent of the word yay. Yay!
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