ok i havnt got my diy kit yet be here tomorrow. i ordered 48 mg nic 50/50 pg vg. a bottle of 0 nic vg to cut it with. i want to make a 30pg 70vg blend at 24 nic level. i have been playing around with the ejuice me up calculator. i cant seem to get it to 70 30 percentage. it says i need to add more pg a value can not be negative. i dont want to add more pg lol i want 70vg 30 pg. what can i do other than making 35pg 65 vg.
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another thing i think most flavors have some pg in them dont they. if so what percent pg are they. do they have any vg in them.
At ten percent PG flavoring you can make no higher than 65% VG and 35% pg for 24 mg nic juice. Its based on the percentage blend you chose to buy and your target nic. Always good to have some plain PG and VG on hand for adjustments. Next time buy all VG base and keep a small bottle of PG on hand. That will be easier to figure and yes most flavorings are based in PG.
If you raise the flavoring up to 20 percent you will be at 45 PG and 55 VG which is close to where you started. The flavoring does add to the PG count unless you bought flavorings in alcohol.
If you raise the flavoring up to 20 percent you will be at 45 PG and 55 VG which is close to where you started. The flavoring does add to the PG count unless you bought flavorings in alcohol.
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ok ty very much i guess the 65 35 will be close enough for now. lol next time i will order all vg and get pg as you say. i wish i would have asked before buying but guess you learn as you go lol.
Yeah even if you lowered the nic to 18 mg you'd still need a little pg to get to your 70/30 VG PG. We all learn this stuff as we go along---good luck to you 
ty lol im gonna need it. my recipe i was going to try has 3 flavors equaling 10% it works out perfect at 65 35. im going to go ahead and order some more all vg nic and a bottle 0 nic pg. and a bunch more flavors think im going to try capella flavors this time so ill have a few options see wich i like the best.
It becomes very addicting very quickly I'll tell ya!
There are alot of DIYers on this thread that might be able to help with flavors http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/293287-ecigexpress-flavoring-thread-part-2-a.html
thx again for the help shilo. i think from all the help and reading i have done and will do. that i should be able to come up with something vapeable at least.
PG/VG ratios still mess with me when I mix; I work out everything in my own way and then plug it into my e-liquid calculator to confirm my crazy method of figuring it. If my math is right it will work in the e-liquid calculator the first time.
I agree with Shilo and here is why.
See if my nutty way of figuring this makes sense to you (and hopefully doesn't confuse the heck out of you): target: 24mg 70PG/30VG with nic base 48mg 50PG/50VG not possible!
Here is my logic (and nutty figuring) on why I say it's not possible.
I'll use a 5ml batch (or bottle) as an example
For 24mg nic level -using 48mg nic- you have to add 2.5 ml of your nic base which includes 1.25 ml of PG and 1.25 ml of VG.
That leaves 2.5 ml of space in a 5 ml bottle.
To hit 30PG you have to add a TOTAL of 1.5ml PG. That's 5ml bottle X .30 = 1.5mg ml of PG but since you've got 1.25ml of PG in your base it would be 1.5mg/ml-1.25mg/ml= .25 TOTAL of PG you need to add.
Same goes for the VG to hit 70 VG you'd have to add a TOTAL of 3.5ml of VG. That's a 5ml bottle X .70 =3.5ml of VG but since you've got 1.25ml of VG in your base it would be 3.5mg/ml-1.25 mg/ml =2.25 ml TOTAL of VG needed to add.
.25 ml of PG + 2.25 ml of VG + 2.5 ml of base =5ml.
Soooo....
Since flavoring are usually additional PG you'd only have enough room for .25 ml extra of PG which is only 5 drops of flavoring!
That means the maximum percentage of flavoring you could add would be 5%.
I'd suggest you are correct that next time buy base nic in either all PG or all VG. You say you've got some more VG but like Shilo says,
"...keep a small bottle of PG on hand." I say maybe even a medium or large bottle of PG.
I hope this makes sense. Just trying to show you why it isn't possible. I always check my math carefully before I mix, double check each recipe, and then plug it into an e-juice calculator to confirm. If the calculator doesn't confirm I've made a math error and must
adjust my recipe. This keeps me from mixing incorrectly (and wasting supplies) and keeps me focused when I finally do mix.
Really; my intent here is to help you avoid mistakes I've made.
Most flavorings are set at 100% PG using a calculator. Check with the specs of each manufacturer though.
lots of friendly people really willing to help that are full of knowledge here. i appreciate it a ton. thanks to everyone.
I haven't read all the responses so if this has been stated before please forgive me, but:
The best thing you or any new DIY person can do is not order 50/50 nic bases. The reason is because you will consistently run into this problem. If you start with a 50/50, adjustments are more problematic because you have less leeway from the start. I suggest in the future, you order 100% PG as its much easier to add VG than it is to try and adjust for it later by screwing with the ratios.
The best thing you or any new DIY person can do is not order 50/50 nic bases. The reason is because you will consistently run into this problem. If you start with a 50/50, adjustments are more problematic because you have less leeway from the start. I suggest in the future, you order 100% PG as its much easier to add VG than it is to try and adjust for it later by screwing with the ratios.
well you will also cut it with pure pg
whatever you base is can and should be cut, getting all pg just helps with arriving at the right ratio
Let's say you get 100mg suspended in 100% pg, you can cut this with a combination of pure (i.e., not nic based pg) and pure VG...the ejuice me up calculator does all the figuring for you but if you start with 100% pg based nic, then you most likely wont ever see a negative value
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