DNA250C Replay - what's the big deal?

[jazzvaper]

6 pages and I'm more confused now than I was when I started.
I have sitting beside me a dna 250 norm. I'm using 317L ss Clapton spaced coils in a Bravo rta. I'm using the TFR I got from wire wizard for the .2 ohm coil I'm using. Now I can actually set the wattage to 250w and leave it there and just adjust the temperature to whatever I want. For right now, it's setting at 455 degrees f. Since I have a little harder pre-punch, it actually shows both in escribe and on the board as I look at it, to be punching up to around 465 degrees then falls back and stays at the set 455. I'm assuming then for replay if I am going along with these same settings, yet I find a place to wit my favorite vape happened to be at 460 at whatever watt and voltage that happened to be ( for argument sake) then if I hit save... Then the 250c replay will always hit that 460degree temp, that same wattage and volt I got with that best hit I liked? I think that's what replay does, takes the wattage, voltage and temp for that hit I liked and records it and duplicates it every time until I change it. It's definitely not simply wattage mode as would be for kanthal or other non- temp sensing wire, but then it's not temp control either like the dna 200 or 250 does. It's "Replay" lol

That all sounds good, Tony, but I believe still an over-simplification.

What about room temp, mod temp,coil liquid saturation, length (time) of draw, and more? Seems to me Replay is a “summing” algorithm, the summing of a host of factors. How many significant factors I do not know. Likely Evolv will never disclose.

Engineers love “Black Box” problems, which is what Replay seems to be...

ATB

 

[Tony M]

jazzvaper States;

I believe still an over-simplification

Indeed it may be.
But it is what it is.
For myself and maybe others, it comes down to something like this as an example.
While I was in Vietnam running the Cambodian border... Should I really care so much about the rate of fire of an m-16 full auto weapon? Should I care about how much spring pressure is on one or all of any springs in the weapon? Or should I care much more about it doing what it is designed to do when I call upon it to work! Knowing what round it uses and how many I can load the clip with? Well, I can tell you from personal experience, that at the moment I needed it, none of the tech data about that weapon was important at all. All I needed to know and would hope for (every time), was if it shot straight and functioned as it was meant to. If it didn't and luck hadn't been on my side too, I wouldn't even be sitting here typing.
This same thing can be said about any mod or atomizer out there. Though of course, not near as dangerous. Do I care what algorithm and tech nonsense there is about the regulated chip in the mod, or do I care more about it doing what it is advertised to do? I don't build the chips and I don't think anyone in this thread does. If it were our job to design and build a mod chip, then that is a whole other thing to talk about. So since I'm pretty sure doing such isn't any one of our jobs, all the tech mumbo jumbo back and forth in this thread means nothing. Even if the device doesn't work as advertised. So because of that! Yeah, I simplified it. But in doing that, maybe it helped others know more about what replay does.

 

[jazzvaper]

But in doing that, maybe it helped others know more about what replay does.

You’re right.

 

[jazzvaper]

Useful info for prospective early adopters: My mod has been returned after a minor fix. Thus, I am now fully in the game.

I added my favorite wire (Nifethal 52) to the Materials Tab in eScribe. There is a checkbox to permit a Custom Material to use the Replay feature.

Although subjective, I believe/experience the custom material (plus) Replay is even more accurate, i.e repeatable, than Replay proper.

Lastly, imagine a repeatable all-day vape: with two extra batteries and a 30 ml refill bottle, from the 510, a convenient, true, portable all-day vape has arrived...

 

[Lord Vaako]

I came across this thread because I was curious to see what people were saying about Replay and the updated TC. I've been vaping for 10 years and I love innovation. I also just got a new Think Vape Finder 250C (3x18650) in the mail yesterday and so far it's been great. I only vape using SS coils and will say with 100% confidence that it's better than kanthal or any other material I've tried. It's one of those things that should be subjective, but it's just not. TC on the other hand wasn't consistent enough on prior DNA devices, so I was one of those people using SS in wattage mode. I've been using SS for many years now (4+ I think) and have way too many "vape things".

I'm currently vaping a custom 20mg nic 100% VG Grant's Vanilla Custard just and using a Themis with dual 316SS framed stapled clapton coils from Advanced Vape Supply. Honestly, I can't be bothered with building my own coils anymore. These coils work well and save me time. I vape high nic juice so I don't have to take as many puffs to get my fix. It frees me up to do other things with my hands (driving stick, gaming, work, etc.), and if I do it enough it helps be fall asleep at night and take a dump. My settings right now are 65w, .13ohm, and punch = 11.

For me, the true benefit of this Replay feature is if it will allow me to extend the number of days I can go without re-wicking. I've been re-wicking every other day on average because I love the flavor and vapor density from fresh cotton. I don't expect it be a silver bullet but even if I get an extra day out of my build, it'll be a win for me. I still don't see a need for TC but will try it out at some point just to give it a fair shake.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I vape high nic juice so I don't have to take as many puffs to get my fix....and if I do it enough it helps be fall asleep at night and take a dump.

Could be TMI? And that's a shame- you or your wife must be really sick of doing laundry.
Maybe if you work at it, things will happen in reverse order for you, but I don't think Replay feature will fix that.

 

[Lord Vaako]

Could be TMI? And that's a shame- you or your wife must be really sick of doing laundry.
Maybe if you work at it, things will happen in reverse order for you, but I don't think Replay feature will fix that.

I was trying to insert some humor, even though it's true lol. I do love my high nic juice. You barely have to use the thing.

Anyway, the whole Replay thing is just a new gimmick. It's not going to extend your rewick intervals in case anyone took that literally. It works and it's fun to fiddle with especially after you just get a new mod. I wasn't having any issues feeding juice or with dry hits before or now (forgot to mention that I'm using Cotton Bacon Prime - which works great).

The best thing about the mod is how fast it hits. There's literally no lag at all when you press the button. The interface is nice too. I haven't even tried eScribe with it yet...there's no need really.

 

[Tony M]

I received my Thinkvape finder 250c a little over a week ago.
Now first.
I use nothing but 317L ss wire in all sorts of DIY wire making configurations that I have learned to do (So far, simple 1, 2 and three wire Fused Clapton, same with alien Clapton/fused, staple Clapton's, twisted and a few others). I've thus far used this list of addy's ( Geekvape Bravo, Vandy Vape Triple 28 RTA, Ammit dual, Fireluke, Fireluke mesh, Kylin, Wismec gnome, Big baby beast with rba coil, baby beast with rba coil, Zeus, Smok prince) and well you readers get the idea. It's been a lot in the past week. All coiled with one of the various differing 317L coils. Now I've also got 8 DNA devises now, four I built and the rest are stock from Wismec, Hcigar and of course this Thinkvape 250c we are talking about. So one can figure, I am and have been an Evolv fanboy.
First I'll state that even for some seasoned evolve DNA users, this one can be a little bit of a challenge in some things. First, it's the theme designer. Get one thing wrong with it and you can lose replay and all sorts of things. So make sure you backup your working theme from your devise before you deal with this monster. Also, don't go download old dna75 color scenes/themes and install them and expect replay to work. You can even lose your 5 click lock with some of them. How do I know! I tried some of them. Unless those offering these have upgraded their DNA 75 first before making the themes or revising them specifically for the replay, you could find things not working in the DNA 250c.
Anyway, this mod and replay have proven to be as good as it's been gloated about. Battery life seems to be extended with this and well, replay is all that! It's awesome! The only other problem I had, was with the .csv file from wire wizard for 317L wire! Wire wizard is designed for DNA 200's and while they are acceptable for the regular DNA 250, they fall way short with 317L wire for the 250c. So I've been playing with that off and on trying to get it just right for that wire. This is most likely due to the changes made for the 250c to go to 300-400 watts, so the curves seem to be off. If you happen to use 317L wire just be aware of this, Wire wizards will work but is inefficient for the 250c. DSLvapes from facebook and youtube has one he made for 316 and 316L wire due to this same problem with 316 wire, so might want to go there and download his tweaked .csv file. Be aware of this little thing.
But all in all. this little beast is the top of the line right now and replay is something we should have had a long time ago. Temp control on this thing is spot on with some tweaking. and when ya hit replay for that good flavor, they weren't exaggerating when they said it'd replay those exact perimeters that gave it to you. I'm still testing and next, I'm plugging it into my oscilloscope once I get this 317L wire dialed into what I think it should be doing. But thus far, I think I'm going to see some pretty good numbers.
Bottom line. If you like or want to be vaping with temp control. This outdoes everything I own and I own 36 mods. 22 of them do temp control. But nothing as good as this does. The DNA 250 reg gets close, but not there.

 

[mrphilip]

The whole safety factor is the issue! With TC if you set 450 Degrees it will not exceed it. With Replay your guessing.
You's all know about the "Toxins" ? Around 470 degrees & above the Toxins in Vapor multiply exponentially

I'm actually clueless about the 'flash point' you are referring to- where should I go to learn more?

 

[mrphilip]

I ran in TC mode all the time, and when I got the first 250C beta I didnt see the value of REPLAY for a TC user, it seemed redundant to me. But then upon playing with it I now run in replay all of the time.

The biggest value I have found is when running a build where the resistance is changing on me. Like braided wire builds, Claptons or whatever. In straight TC mode I found the resistance of these coils changed on me over time. REPLAY takes all of that out of it, I set the hit I like "while I am in Temp Mode" and it just keeps it there, even as those funky claptons change.

The other thing I tested during the beta was that you could take any TC coil, regardless of whether it was SS, NI, TI whatever, stick it in there in wattage mode, adjust the wattage to taste, and it would keep it there. No, you have no clue what the temps are in this case, if you care you need to do the work to calibrate your mod and then look at it while in temp mode.

Is there any benefit for my tanks that do not come with RBA's and only use manufacturer coils? What would happen if you used a basic Smok TFV8 octuple coil (fused claptons which are kanthal IFC). I don't see a benefit for people who don't build EVERY DAY & ALWAYS... but still the escribe software is a benefit other chips don't offer (except yihi) and that's a good reason for anyone to choose a DNA device... the typical build quality that goes into this level of device also stands out. Also, the use as a battery pack is something I wouldn't mind having.

Appreciate your feedback... I've been desiring a Therion or Paranormal shaped device for some time and it's the one gap in my collection... have the chance to grab a 250c for under $120 right now, and I guess i'm asking- do I need it... beyond what my current DNA250's offer.

 

[Steamer861]

I'm actually clueless about the 'flash point' you are referring to- where should I go to learn more?

Check out this thread, New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

 

[Brewdawg1181]

In a nutshell, from @mikepetro. You'll see him in the thread Steamtuner gave...click and check his blog for all the serious sciency stuff.

 

[Chodi]

Check out this thread, New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

I know I am probably going to get flamed for saying this but does anyone really think that vaping is 100% medically safe? I smoked for many years before switching to vaping and I know my body tells me that it was for the better. Am I under the impression that vaping is a safer than not vaping or smoking? Certainly not. Anyone who thinks they are completely safe from health risks by vaping is on a fools errand. It is certainly better and safer than those cigarettes I smoked for many years. Not inhaling any foreign substance is the only completely safe approach. I can think of a few hundred things we ingest into our bodies (take diet Coke for example) that also could present a risk. We each make our own choices.

 

[Steamer861]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for saying this but does anyone really think that vaping is 100% medically safe?

100% Safe? Probably not! Safer than Smoking? Yes.
Vaping is relatively new, We should still take what we know so far & try to do it as safely as we can
Studies are showing that vapor below 470 degree is safer I choose to acknowledge this information & vape accordingly

 

[zoiDman]

I'm actually clueless about the 'flash point' you are referring to- where should I go to learn more?

 

[mikepetro]

I'm actually clueless about the 'flash point' you are referring to- where should I go to learn more?

Please do be aware that "Boiling Point" and "Flash Point" are two different things. In this context the boiling point is what we are concerned with.

Juice Boiling Point and Vaping Temperatures (includes BP Charts)

 

[jazzvaper]

Please do be aware that "Boiling Point" and "Flash Point" are two different things. In this context the boiling point is what we are concerned with.

Juice Boiling Point and Vaping Temperatures (includes BP Charts)

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/posts/19284417

Think you meant “New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers”

Yes?

 

[mikepetro]

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/posts/19284417

Think you meant “New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers”

Yes?

I am confused.

I linked to my Blog article on Boiling Points because @mrphilip said "I'm actually clueless about the 'flash point'". My blog article directly covers that particular aspect.

The “New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers” thread is a lot more broad in context, and had many off topic diversions. In a nutshell it is about vaping more safely by avoiding excessive temperatures. It is also 300+ pages and a newcomer would get lost in the labyrinth of it. My 1 page blog article addressed his specific question more distinctly.

 

[jazzvaper]

Of course you are correct.

I was not concerned with newcomers getting lost in the weeds since attention to matters of health and safety _should_ be uppermost. [emoji41]

 

[Wonder Woman Vaper]

Wire chart for replay
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Thank you for posting that chart! Appreciate this post as well because I was curious about this.