do ICR's have any advantages over IMR batteries?
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Only more mah capacity over an IMR.
ICR batteries:
ICR batteries are nearly obsolete to be used in mods. There is more to choosing a battery than just picking the one with the highest mAh rating.
IMR batteries are currently recommended for all applications in a mod. Rechargeable Batteries
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
IMR batteries:
ICR batteries:
They are not safe chemistry. They will vent with high pressure gas and flames, and possibly explode if they go into thermal runaway.
- They are low drain. Best suited only for flashlights or other low drain applications. Not recommended for regulated variable voltage/wattage devices, or when using a Kick in a mechanical mod.
- They have a low amp reserve, typically less than 3 amps. Pushing a battery past its amp rating can cause it to go into thermal runaway.
ICR batteries are nearly obsolete to be used in mods. There is more to choosing a battery than just picking the one with the highest mAh rating.
IMR batteries are currently recommended for all applications in a mod. Rechargeable Batteries
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
IMR batteries:
Safer chemistry. IMR batteries, because of the addition of manganese and/or nickle to the chemistry, are inherently safer than ICR cobalt-based batteries. They may still vent in thermal runaway, but are less likely to do so due to a higher heat tolerance, and will only vent hot gas. Not likely to vent with flames or to explode.
Higher amp reserve. A typical amp rating of 10 amps for an 18650 battery, up to 30 amps for some of the new hybrid IMR batteries.
- Lower internal resistance. This is a good thing.
- High drain ability. This class will have less capacity in mAh rating compared to protected batteries, but are superior when maximum load current is required, such as in regulated mods, mechanical mods using a Kick, or using an RBA.
- These should be used in regulated mods that use buck boost circuitry to achieve variable voltage-wattage, but they are now also recommended for single voltage mechanical mods as a safer alternative to protected Li Ion batteries. Why High Drain Batteries?
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Baditude already spelled it out very well. I'll only add that I will not vape a ICR battery because if it vents I'm not sure it will not burn (sometimes explosively). I am sure my IMR or hybrid batteries will not burn. That's enough for me to stick with them
It would seem to me that ICRs don't take the price even in the higher capacity contest anymore. Are there any pure ICRs that have a clearly higher capacity than the Panasonic PD/PF? The 3400 mAh Panasonics, but they are hybrids (closer to ICR than to IMR, but still hybrids). Are there any ICRs that have more capacity than that? Actual capacity, not stated capacity.
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I'm using 14500 batteries. I have two PV's, one is a Mini Lambo/Hybris, the other is an EGo-RS. Both are variable voltage. I'm assuming the battery in the Ego RS is ICR. I've been charging them using the Ego charger. the battery in the hybris is probably IMR, it's 650mah and costs about 5 dollars to replace with the identical battery (it's L-Rider branded). I'm not doing anything extreme, usually vaping at 3.5 watts and 2.5 ohms.
The 14500 IMR's I've looked at all seem to be lower mah. On the other hand, reviews of ICR's I've looked at sometimes have commented that the batteries don't last as long as expected (when used in flashlights).
I got a Trustfire charger off a seller from eBay and two ultrafire batteries. The charger doesn't work at all, and the batteries it came with have worn tubing and I don't want to try using them at all. So, I'm looking for new batteries, but I don't want to spend too much money on a charger.
The 14500 IMR's I've looked at all seem to be lower mah. On the other hand, reviews of ICR's I've looked at sometimes have commented that the batteries don't last as long as expected (when used in flashlights).
I got a Trustfire charger off a seller from eBay and two ultrafire batteries. The charger doesn't work at all, and the batteries it came with have worn tubing and I don't want to try using them at all. So, I'm looking for new batteries, but I don't want to spend too much money on a charger.
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A good quality IMR 14500 would work well in either of your mods, the IMR batteries may have a slightly lower mah rating, but will actually last longer than an ICR. Sound crazy? Nope, it's all about the effective voltage range for vaping.......the IMR will last longer at the higher voltage we require even if the ICR may last longer overall. The ICR may still have an "official charge" left, but if the voltage is too low and you can't vape on it who cares.
These would be a good pick...AW IMR 14500 3.7 V 600mAh - Batteries
....the IMR will last longer at the higher voltage we require even if the ICR may last longer overall. The ICR may still have an "official charge" left, but if the voltage is too low and you can't vape on it who cares.These would be a good pick...AW IMR 14500 3.7 V 600mAh - Batteries
In the end, I'm going with some Efest 14500's. I don't think the amp limitations are going to be a problem with ICR's, but just the fact that ICR's tend to explode, on further consideration, is good enough reason for me to avoid them.
Do all Ego's come with ICR's inside? One reason I wanted to get into regulated mods is because I've read so much about Ego's overheating or exploding, and I figured in order to get a really quality Ego setup you're approaching the price of a mod anyways.
Do all Ego's come with ICR's inside? One reason I wanted to get into regulated mods is because I've read so much about Ego's overheating or exploding, and I figured in order to get a really quality Ego setup you're approaching the price of a mod anyways.
Best to my knowledge, eGo's are LiPo batteries. Same with the internal batteries found in the iTaste MVP & V3. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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It's good to be safety minded, but out of the millions of egos sold, even cheapo ones, with proper use they're safe and reliable.
The newer box mod, BilletBox, is recommended for use with the ICR's, but that may just be that application (?).
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While aw may be the top choice for 14500 imr, the efest 14500 imr gives it a run for its money.
I believe they are quite popular with facial reconstruction surgeons.
Experience with both. AW much better results than Efest. My
what made the efest worse than the AW...shorter run times?
perhaps my AW was getting old and not holding its charge like it used to, but when i got my efest 14500s they seemed to hit just as hard and lasted just as long, and even had a slightly higher amp limit (as long as efest wasnt inflating the specs). but in the end, it was just a taste test so-to-speak because i never did do any actual tests with my DMM. i might go back to AW once these efests poop out.
^^scratch that. i forgot for a moment that i want to give the MBI Nukes a whirl. those sound mighty nice.
Here's a rundown of testing, shows them as a 10C battery, not great, not bad at all....
Test/Review of MBI Nuke 14500 650mAh (Black)
Thanks for that Stosh but as Henrik says in his review, they are from an unspecified manufacturer. Fear of the unknown? For me there is when it comes to vaping batteries.
Candlepower forums has a lot of good battery information. They have been at it a lot longer than us vapers. The link I found was their own specifications from testing, not whatever the manufacturer is claiming re: mah, C rating or amperage. I will trust a well performed aftermarket test than anyone's advertising hype....
Indeed they have but in fact the link you put up was to a post made by someone who I would like to think is a friend of mine called Henrik Jensen and whom I would consider without peer on the testing and reviewing of batteries and chargers. Here's a link to his website where you will find a plethora of unsurpassed information. A very worthwhile link to keep in your Favs or Bookmarks.
http://lygte-info.dk/
http://lygte-info.dk/
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150 charge cycles is depressingly low
Oh well I guess that's the price to pay for high cont amp discharge.
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