Do you take your larger PV out in public
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I usually take two PV's with me: My ego kit and my Boge Rev2.1. I usually go by the atmosphere to choose my pv. Like at the bar where I get lunch I'll generally use the ego. Its small and I have big hands so it looks like I'm smoking. But if I pull into the parking lot and see only one or two cars my Rev goes with me. I'm still waiting on my Indulgence kit to get here(tomorrow hopefully) but my Silver Bullet used to go with me everywhere. Usually with one of my large homemade tanks on it. I just learned to put an LED in the tank a while back so not only was it huge, it lit up as well.... I'll post a picture. You'll understand lol.
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I have to admit that I still am a nicotine addict who prefers to inhale it in a sort of smoke-like fashion. Vaping is more smoke-like than a patch or gum or the like, so it suits me.
I like lots of things about vaping, but if I didn't actually enjoy smoking I would have had little reason to try vaping.
It wouldn't really offend me if someone thought of me as a smoker, I guess is what I'm getting to.
Also, as it is primarily a nicotine delivery system, isn't a PV a "drug device"?
I have never understood why alcohol and nicotine get to act like they aren't "drugs".
As far as taking my PV out in public, I take my 5v box with me everywhere. Obviously people who are unfamiliar with vaping will have little idea what exactly I'm doing, but I don't have the time or energy to worry about that. So far it's been no problems, and I can't wait for my MonkeyBoxx vv so I can take it with me sometimes!
all i own is a larger pv, so yeah, it goes out into public with me whenever i brave the world outside my comfy lair...
and i could give a crap if i get strange looks, better than getting dirty looks for smokin ciggies.
and i could give a crap if i get strange looks, better than getting dirty looks for smokin ciggies.
Long story short...
If they were treated as drugs the FDA would have to ban them.
They get special treatment because it would not be "prudent" to ban them.
So the FDA is not allowed to treat them as drugs.
I use my big guns in public too. I can't go back to using a 3.7 volt slim device because it produces 1/2 the vapor I get from my infinity at 4.5 volts.
Yeah, I get that. What I find strange is that actual people buy into it.
Like, people believe that a PV is actually not a "drug device", presumably because ''drugs are bad mm'kay'', while nicotine and tobacco are legal, so they must not really be drugs or the government would protect ourselves from ourselves and fund armed forces to hunt down and arrest anyone who tried to get away with making their own decision regarding whether or not to use the aforementioned substance.
tl?;dr? I understand the FDA and similar departments treating things one way or another as a matter of policy, it's just weird to me that regular people also treat nicotine and alcohol as something different than "drugs".
It's weird that regular people treat a PV as something different from a "drug device".
My PV's are drug devices, (no quotation marks necessary).
If someone tried to tell me otherwise, my first response might be like "that word...I do not think that it means what you think that it means".
It is a drug device. But that term has some stigma to it for its similarity either to illicit devices (bongs and such, in which case you're a stoner and deserving of derision*) or medical devices (in which case something is wrong with you and so you are subjected to pity*).
PVs are drug devices in the same way that cigarette tubes and shot glasses are drug devices. You're technically right, but because the drugs they are used to deliver are neither medical in nature nor subject to the same kind of scorn as illicit substances (unless you run across some puritans) it isn't really fair to lump them in the same category as devices that are.
* From a general public point of view.
PVs are drug devices in the same way that cigarette tubes and shot glasses are drug devices. You're technically right, but because the drugs they are used to deliver are neither medical in nature nor subject to the same kind of scorn as illicit substances (unless you run across some puritans) it isn't really fair to lump them in the same category as devices that are.
* From a general public point of view.
Well, I work in a prison (nurse don't ya know). When I first started vapeing in March of this year, I took an eGo with me. The Custody Officers where a bit .....mistrustful of this "new fangled" device. NOW I take a bottom feeder to work with me, and I've actually gotten C/O's to start vapeing :0). I hear about it through the grape vine LOL
I had my Old Goat with me last night, we have a new Lt. He saw me vapeing outside and apparently couldnt' decide if he should walk over and ask me about it (about 2 hours earlier he had watched me literally save someones life, so he was still a bit stunned, non pupillary reaction to start with for you Medical folks), I sashe'd on up to him, turned it off and handed it to him. Told him to smell it LOL I vape chocolate bannana from Rockstar and it sure SMELLS like it.
I gave him the complete run down on it, and he jokingly accused me of getting the officers off of analogs and onto PV's. Guess my start has gone farther than I thought. He told me 4 of the Sgt's had started using them and the regular custody officers where starting to look into it on the day shifts.
My take, I'll vape whatever I am in the mood for, and I'll face down anyone outside in public I need to, I'll do it politly and even gently, but nobody is going to stop me just 'cause of THEIR personal perceptions. And maybe, because I was polite and even gentle, I've started a revolution where I work :0). One can hope anyway!
I had my Old Goat with me last night, we have a new Lt. He saw me vapeing outside and apparently couldnt' decide if he should walk over and ask me about it (about 2 hours earlier he had watched me literally save someones life, so he was still a bit stunned, non pupillary reaction to start with for you Medical folks), I sashe'd on up to him, turned it off and handed it to him. Told him to smell it LOL I vape chocolate bannana from Rockstar and it sure SMELLS like it.
I gave him the complete run down on it, and he jokingly accused me of getting the officers off of analogs and onto PV's. Guess my start has gone farther than I thought. He told me 4 of the Sgt's had started using them and the regular custody officers where starting to look into it on the day shifts.
My take, I'll vape whatever I am in the mood for, and I'll face down anyone outside in public I need to, I'll do it politly and even gently, but nobody is going to stop me just 'cause of THEIR personal perceptions. And maybe, because I was polite and even gentle, I've started a revolution where I work :0). One can hope anyway!
I take my ego-t with me everywhere. Last night I went to a baseball game and still felt confined to the smoking area didn't want to draw attention since the ego puts out clouds of smoke like vapor. I got alot of questions by smokers and as i answered them I realized all of them had a deathy sort of quality to them made me sure I will never smoke an analogue again.
But yeah I take the ego with me, anything larger I might be a tad iffy about just because cops love to mess with people.
But yeah I take the ego with me, anything larger I might be a tad iffy about just because cops love to mess with people.
That's my point. "Drug devices" label a person possessing them as either being deserving of derision, or pity. *Unless* they are "drug devices" which are for legal purposes.
They are the same, and it's just being dishonest to separate them out into their own little categories. I would say it's unfair to exploit the fact that people can be convinced to go along with this kind of double-talk and agree with the criminalization of some peaceful vices while maintaining their own legal peaceful vice.
Just because people will buy into this kind of thing doesn't make it fair, really it doesn't, so declaring it unfair to lump PV's in with other drug devices doesn't really agree with me at all.
I think you described very well the reaction of the general public to "drug devices".
That's why I would rather people just admit, flat out, that they are choosing to ingest a drug called nicotine (for example) and that to facilitate that activity, they have a drug device called a PV (or cigar, or corncob pipe, or whatever).
Tobacco use, and, to the extent that it's understood, the use of e-cigs, is not subject to the type of scorn reserved for use of 'illicit drugs'.
Yet.
There is some hope that though burning tobacco may one day become illegal, PV's will be legal and accepted.
Sorry, but nicotine is a dangerous and toxic drug, and sooner or later recreational use of it will be criminalized unless we stop this dishonesty and think about freedom in the bigger picture.
If we don't stop scorning and/or pitying those whose peaceful vices are not allowed by the government, then one day all our peaceful vices are belong to them.
I'm rambling a bit in trying to get my opinion stated, I know.
I know now that in the future, if someone sees my PV out in public and asks if it's some kind of drug device, I'll say 'yes'.
It may end up requiring me to explain a bit more that way, but the kind of person who would think that way could use a reminder that nicotine is, in fact, a drug that people choose to use.
A couple of topics here today have got me really thinking about these ideas and situations. I appreciate the discussion and hearing other people's experiences and points-of-view.
eta: I'm going out in public with my box mod now, so I'll catch up to any posts in this thread later. Viva la Vape Freedom!
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I take my silver bullet, my GLV or one of my 2 pearls out in a mini lanyard all the time. I do not care what people think or if they like it or not.
That's my point. "Drug devices" label a person possessing them as either being deserving of derision, or pity. *Unless* they are "drug devices" which are for legal purposes.
They are the same, and it's just being dishonest to separate them out into their own little categories. I would say it's unfair to exploit the fact that people can be convinced to go along with this kind of double-talk and agree with the criminalization of some peaceful vices while maintaining their own legal peaceful vice.
Just because people will buy into this kind of thing doesn't make it fair, really it doesn't, so declaring it unfair to lump PV's in with other drug devices doesn't really agree with me at all.
I think you described very well the reaction of the general public to "drug devices".
That's why I would rather people just admit, flat out, that they are choosing to ingest a drug called nicotine (for example) and that to facilitate that activity, they have a drug device called a PV (or cigar, or corncob pipe, or whatever).
Tobacco use, and, to the extent that it's understood, the use of e-cigs, is not subject to the type of scorn reserved for use of 'illicit drugs'.
Yet.
There is some hope that though burning tobacco may one day become illegal, PV's will be legal and accepted.
Sorry, but nicotine is a dangerous and toxic drug, and sooner or later recreational use of it will be criminalized unless we stop this dishonesty and think about freedom in the bigger picture.
If we don't stop scorning and/or pitying those whose peaceful vices are not allowed by the government, then one day all our peaceful vices are belong to them.
I'm rambling a bit in trying to get my opinion stated, I know.
I know now that in the future, if someone sees my PV out in public and asks if it's some kind of drug device, I'll say 'yes'.
It may end up requiring me to explain a bit more that way, but the kind of person who would think that way could use a reminder that nicotine is, in fact, a drug that people choose to use.
A couple of topics here today have got me really thinking about these ideas and situations. I appreciate the discussion and hearing other people's experiences and points-of-view.
eta: I'm going out in public with my box mod now, so I'll catch up to any posts in this thread later. Viva la Vape Freedom!
But here's the problem: This isn't about honesty. This is about the court of public opinion. This is about politics. And if politics has taught us anything, it is that the court of public opinion can be divided on any issue simply by the choice of words that are used to present the issue. The words don't even have to be dishonest, they just have to be linked to something good or bad in the public's eyes to impart the aegis of being good or bad merely by association. Many people tend to polarize issues; things are either good or bad, with shades of grey conveniently swept under the rug for either being too fussy to deal with (if you're one of the plebes) or inconvenient to your platform (if you're a politician). On a scale of "good for you" to "drugs are bad, mmkay?", where do you think the general public places nicotine? Bearing in mind that it is inextricably linked tobacco, and to many people they are the same thing.
Yes, nicotine is dangerous, addictive and something we shouldn't be doing. But we are, because we are addicts, and there's no getting around that. But focusing on the idea that PVs are drug delivery devices to feed us addicts our drug of choice diminishes if not eclipses the more important public perception that it is a device that got us to quit smoking tobacco. Never mind that we're still addicted to and feeding ourselves nicotine. In the wider scope of things this is not what we should be drawing people's attention to because it immediately associates PVs with nicotine, and therefore tobacco, and therefore it's just as bad in people's oversimplifying eyes. The focus should be on the fact that we quit smoking, and these devices are why.
It isn't being dishonest. It is simply choosing how best to frame these devices for acceptance in the court of public opinion. Because always remember: There are those who are doing the same thing from the other direction.
Maybe not to the same degree, but there is plenty of scorn for people using tobacco.
And the level of scorn grows by the day.
I'm not clear on how being honest about nicotine being a drug will keep it from being criminalized.
Can you expand on that a little bit?
Well, folks...I am over 50 years old. And I Vape my REO and my Provari wherever I want that doesn't impede in someone else's space. I am respectful. But at the same time...I intend to enjoy my Vape. If anyone is curious, I don't mind one bit if they ask about it. I'm happy to share the news about vaping.
I used to take my Ego-T out in public. It used to make me feel sexy. But I like to be the kinder, gentler me so I take my long white 510 with the purple LED out in public. People like me better
went to the social security administration and the guard [older guy] had met me at the door and ask me "what is that? is that a pipe?"
I said no its an electronic cigarette [prodigy 3.1], he said ohh come on in and said he had quit cold turkey 10 years ago.
then ask me how it worked and liquid options [flavors], he acted really interested in it.
kinda funny I think
I said no its an electronic cigarette [prodigy 3.1], he said ohh come on in and said he had quit cold turkey 10 years ago.
then ask me how it worked and liquid options [flavors], he acted really interested in it.
kinda funny I think
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