Do You Think You Get Less Nicotine From Vaping Than Smoking?

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Plumes.91

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Do you think there's a standardization of vaping to cigarettes? For instance, what if, for example, 10 hits of 6mg were equal to one average cigarette in terms of nicotine crossing the blood brain barrier? How about 20 hits for 3mg liquid in an average sub ohm mod? Do you think you're delivering more nic to your brain than you were when you were a smoker?
 

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Do you think there's a standardization of vaping to cigarettes? For instance, what if, for example, 10 hits of 6mg were equal to one average cigarette in terms of nicotine crossing the blood brain barrier? How about 20 hits for 3mg liquid in an average sub ohm mod? Do you think you're delivering more nic to your brain than you were when you were a smoker?
I think every person vapes and smokes differently, and thus, comparison from one to another isn't going to yield useful information, more than highlighting these differences. I do know, personally, without the added chemicals, I'm able to tolerate much less nicotine, and can no longer even be around cigarette smoke, as it mekes my heart palpitate. I vape 1.5mg currently, and get the least nic from my 55w coil, more from my 30w, which I take longer puffs from, and even more from my 80w, all with relatively similar airflow, so not enough to call restricted enough to draw capillary action from suction in the mouth.
 

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I am one to switch back and forth between vaping and smoking, and have done so throughout my life. I'll say one thing is for sure: It's very easy to forget to restrict yourself to a vaping regiment. Juice is cheap and there's always more in the bottle. With cigarettes, you buy a pack in the morning, and you run out just before you go to bed, or you run-out to buy more, but still, you limit yourself to that pack typically. with vaping, it's quite easy to never put the thing down lol. and that can cause some serious trouble, if you're vaping nicotine non-stop. Cigarettes on the other hand, seem to dull my mind more thoroughly- they can make you into a nicotine zombie just as easily as non-stop vaping can.
 

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I agree with @HigherStateD in there is no easy way to compare smoking and vaping nic. There are just too many variables in vaping.

I do believe that vaping gives us slower nicotine transfer to blood than smoking does. I've read that many times over the years and seen graphs comparing the two for some form of vaping and smoking. IMO this is one reason that vaping nic is less addictive than smoking it.
 

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Does anyone really actually know how much nicotine is in "a cigarette"?

not really. a google search says 9mg, but less than 1mg is absorbed by the smoker. I'm not sure we can compare how much we're absorbing between smoking one cigarette and vaping. I can definitely compare effects though, and the effects of smoking one cigarette are definitely more pronounced than 10 lung to stomach full sized long drawn out pulls from a sub ohm loaded with 3mg liquid.
 

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From my experience so far and how it feels anyways cause it's not I can measure my nic intake in the blood....
Seems like it's veeery easy to get more nic with vaping cause I enjoy it so much....
I was heavy smoker and when started everyone suggested not lower than 12mg nic....but with 12mg and the way I was vaping all the time I used to get dizzy and dry mouth and headaches at first....hahaha
Note that I was heavy smoker litterally with a cig in my hand all the time old horlborn rolling cigs...plus weed smoker for 15years every day rolled with tobacco inside also....
With vaping in 4months I vape now I slowly lowered my nic and now I am at 5nic already....
I can't trust Google searches but cigs used to write the amount of nic they had in packets,,but it's the absorbion in blood that seems it's different from smoke to vapor....Google say cig nic absorbs faster or more or something from the inhale....

ATM I am sure I vape less nic tho and Everytime I lower it maybe the first couple days I vape like madman but then I get used to it and I can feel the difference in the morning when wake up I have less nic cravings than I used to...
I think it's because of the less nic I take now...
So.if u worry just lower your nic slowly and u will reach a point when u get much less that cigs for sure....
If u feel like lowering nic makes vaoe very smooth for you...u can pump up the pg percentage...that's what helped me at least get some hit and trick my mind at first....but I was never a hard throat hit guy tho...cause cigs never gave hard hits anyways ...
 

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I personally think Nicotine doesn't go unnoticed,............. not in the slightest !. So a user knows when they've got the required or usual amount. But !, a user could consciously toy with how much they inhale per hour if they wanted. New vapers probably get either too little or too much !.

But in complete contrast, a Jogger's heart rate increases when Jogging, so they breath more to get more oxygen into their blood because they "need" to, but are still out of breath when they finish. So does a Jogger use more oxygen when Jogging ?.

It's not as if users are like Robots who'd use an exact calculated amount per hour like Nicotine were a prescription. And i don't think it's a body chemistry thing either. Nicotine users don't actually "need" Nicotine.

I see it as a leisure activity. Individual users doing what they typically enjoy.
 
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This is a fascinating discussion about this subject. All the answers...and much more is in there.
So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

That was from 2009 when 99% of everyone in that discussion were vaping at maybe 7 watts or less and juice was being made and sold from kitchens and bathtubs (meaning, god only knows if the nic levels in the juice were as stated on the bottle - lots of bad players in a young-but-booming and profitable market).

When I vape at 7W MTL (yes, I still do that) I get far less satisfaction than when I vape at 20W DL. So in my 7W setups I vape about 50% higher nic level and it's still not the same.

I believe variables in the delivery have a lot to do with it.
 

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Taste / Flavour plays a big part too !. For some...........How often do you read posts in which users are desperate to find a way to increase the flavour of their vapour because they're simply not satisfied with it ?.

Then there are those users who are not particularly focused on the flavour of their vapour. They're the ones who don't post about a lack of flavour in their vapour.
 
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That was from 2009 when 99% of everyone in that discussion were vaping at maybe 7 watts or less and juice was being made and sold from kitchens and bathtubs (meaning, god only knows if the nic levels in the juice were as stated on the bottle - lots of bad players in a young-but-booming and profitable market).

When I vape at 7W MTL (yes, I still do that) I get far less satisfaction than when I vape at 20W DL. So in my 7W setups I vape about 50% higher nic level and it's still not the same.

I believe variables in the delivery have a lot to do with it.
7 or 70W....the concept stays the same. Those guys are the ones that laid the foundation we're standing on today. Believe me, there's never been a thread like that one...ever on this subject, on this forum, and I don't think there ever will be another one like it. There's some great minds gathered there and the answers in there are scientifically presented and analyzed. What i've been reading about vaping on this forum the last 4 years are pale in comparison to what those guys brought to the table. Yeah that thread might be old, but it's very much up to date with this topic.
 

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7 or 70W....the concept stays the same. Those guys are the ones that laid the foundation we're standing on today. Believe me, there's never been a thread like that one...ever on this subject, on this forum, and I don't think there ever will be another one like it. There's some great minds gathered there and the answers in there are scientifically presented and analyzed. What i've been reading about vaping on this forum the last 4 years are pale in comparison to what those guys brought to the table. Yeah that thread might be old, but it's very much up to date with this topic.

When he said about 7watts he meant that the vapor production of the Vapes was very low so yes plays a role....
Myself as new vaper was getting dizzy and headaches and had to lay down for an hour or more to recover with 12mg nic...
In 2014 or something tho I was vaping 18mg on a kangertech and I didn't felt any dizziness and actually I felt it wasn't enough...
Sooo yes ofc I thinn uncle respect the old pioneers of vaping and myself I do also but ofc some questions are already answered...
I am a new vaper but think even nowdays some are pushing the vape game further....
To know the absorbion of the nic from Vapes I guess need real scientific experiments and tests that I guess non of us can make....
And even googling and read studies that have being done....sometimes the origin of them is not mentioned and I am sceptic about them...if I wasn't I would may believe that vaping is worst than smoking :p
I don't need to search a lot...I know if I vape 24mg nic now I will have nausea and...and the absorbion may not be good from.vaping but ok...let's let some to the atmosphere :p
 

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One thing I've noticed, is that both quitting nicotine RAPIDLY, and overdosing myself, have so many similar effects, that I often go through periods where-in I think I am getting too much nicotine, but I am in fact not getting enough. I also go through periods where I think I am not getting enough, and I am in fact overdosing.

The effects of nicotine overdose, throughout a day for example, for me, are a laziness, a severe mental malaise that bolsters an unwillingness or, a lesser probability that I will think deeply into something. Overdose can also involve emotional blunting, a steady feeling of unease/anxiety, switching to warm euphoria for short periods, then back to unease. Light overdose can also include extreme euphoric warmth, akin to stimulation from other drugs and/or natural stimulation of the dopaminergic centers, such as sexual arousal. Extreme overdose, where-in I had chewed two 4mg pieces of gum, or had chain vaped for 30 minutes straight, or had smoked 2 cigarettes in a row, also include light-headedness, headache, heart palpitations or abnormal heartbeat, yawning, eye tearing, and fatigue. Important to note that these are symptoms that all appear when I am having a panic attack due to, for example, abstaining from nicotine for an evening, sleep, and a morning.

The effects of nicotine under-dose, throughout a day for example, for me, are extremely similar to the above paragraph addressing overdose, however, I think with under-dose, I am yawning regularly, my eyes are tearing up, physical energy is wiped, more likely to fall into rapid escalations of anxious self consciousness. If I am not vaping or smoking, and I am at home alone, I am completely wiped. Looking back, it can almost be described as another world. I am zombie-like when I haven't gotten a significant hit of nicotine in a day or day and a half. I feel as if I need to get up and move when I am trying to study something or read. I seek out things like social media walls, likes/reactions. Bites of food.

Interestingly though, I have quit nicotine in the past completely, by essentially replacing nicotine with exercise, and also using exercise as an anti-depressant and anti-anxiety drug. I remember running to my weight bench each time I felt an anxiety attack brewing my chest. I remember starting every day with jumping jax. I remember prior to attempting the quit, I had reduced my use of nicotine to once every hour on the hour, and during my quit, I simply replaced the nicotine with the treadmill or the weight bench. 4 o' clock, running. 5 o' clock, running. 5:30 anxiety attack, running. 6 o' clock, running.

It sounds extreme, but to date, that was the only time I have ever made it to completely nicotine free in my entire life, since age 14.
 
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One thing I've noticed, is that both quitting nicotine RAPIDLY, and overdosing myself, have so many similar effects, that I often go through periods where-in I think I am getting too much nicotine, but I am in fact not getting enough. I also go through periods where I think I am not getting enough, and I am in fact overdosing.

The effects of nicotine overdose, throughout a day for example, for me, are a laziness, a severe mental malaise that bolsters an unwillingness or, a lesser probability that I will think deeply into something. Overdose can also involve emotional blunting, a steady feeling of unease/anxiety, switching to warm euphoria for short periods, then back to unease. Light overdose can also include extreme euphoric warmth, akin to stimulation from other drugs and/or natural stimulation of the dopaminergic centers, such as sexual arousal. Extreme overdose, where-in I had chewed two 4mg pieces of gum, or had chain vaped for 30 minutes straight, or had smoked 2 cigarettes in a row, also include light-headedness, headache, heart palpitations or abnormal heartbeat, yawning, eye tearing, and fatigue. Important to note that these are symptoms that all appear when I am having a panic attack due to, for example, abstaining from nicotine for an evening, sleep, and a morning.

The effects of nicotine under-dose, throughout a day for example, for me, are extremely similar to the above paragraph addressing overdose, however, I think with under-dose, I am yawning regularly, my eyes are tearing up, physical energy is wiped, more likely to fall into rapid escalations of anxious self consciousness. If I am not vaping or smoking, and I am at home alone, I am completely wiped. Looking back, it can almost be described as another world. I am zombie-like when I haven't gotten a significant hit of nicotine in a day or day and a half. I feel as if I need to get up and move when I am trying to study something or read. I seek out things like social media walls, likes/reactions. Bites of food.

Interestingly though, I have quit nicotine in the past completely, by essentially replacing nicotine with exercise, and also using exercise as an anti-depressant and anti-anxiety drug. I remember running to my weight bench each time I felt an anxiety attack brewing my chest. I remember starting every day with jumping jax. I remember prior to attempting the quit, I had reduced my use of nicotine to once every hour on the hour, and during my quit, I simply replaced the nicotine with the treadmill or the weight bench. 4 o' clock, running. 5 o' clock, running. 5:30 anxiety attack, running. 6 o' clock, running.

It sounds extreme, but to date, that was the only time I have ever made it to completely nicotine free in my entire life, since age 14.

It's complicated subject to talk about addictions in general and I have seen people react differently but I think some affects are same to everyone....

I really believe tho from my self using all drugs ever existed and meeting people in my life, that some people just don't get affected by addicting substances...
If u ask me I am pretty sure any addictive substance it's proven that can cause real symptoms in body or brain, intense or not but combined with the mental state of someone these affects can be more noticable

I read somewhere in past some legit scientific studies saying that it could be a gene or something that can make a person be more easy to be addicted to substances in general...whatever that is...

Others saying out it's all in the brain...

I really believe it's not this or that and it's a combination...Soo yeah the nicotine symptoms u mention may sound extreme to some but I can totally understand you
 

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@Plumes.91, in the mornings I get a better nicotine fix from dripping some 24mg flavorless juice versus what I ever got from a cig. 8-10 hits and I totally feel the nic!!! Then I switch over to my RTA's or squonkers with either 3mg or 6mg juice for the rest of the day.

Betcha if you tried dripping some 24mg nic juice you would feel it possibly to be the same or better than a cig. Give it a try.
 

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Does anyone really actually know how much nicotine is in "a cigarette"?
IIRC a cig of the light variety was about 12mg. I smoked Marlboro Lights before my vaping journey and started with 24mg and dropped down to 12mg quickly (3-4 months ?). Now at 3mg.
 
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