Doc says I'm "still a smoker"

[MorpheusPA]

That is fine, too. Believe me, it was less about vaping than it was about his refusal to discuss the subject. There are 30 doctors offices within 15 miles of my house. Why should I settle for an who does not care what I think?

Now I don't know if I would switch over vaping, but I don't know if I will select my new one if he is hostile to it.

No problem, I understood that! A doctor who won't discuss things with you is one who isn't listening to you. And that's bad.

Most of the time if I head for the doctor I pretty much already know what I need. Sinus infections aren't hard to diagnose and I've had enough of them. Sometimes I don't know what I need, and then I need a doctor to listen to the list of symptoms and work with me a bit.

 

[Renolizzie]

Some doctors are just buttheads. I went through three of them to find my current doctor who is actually a Physicians Assistant. She is very smart, talks to me, cares and doesn't make me feel like she is in a huge hurry. Also, she has never told me that all my problems are in my head. Fancy that, I go to the doctor for obviously physical symptoms and made to feel like I am psycho woman. Thanks docs, that helped me a lot.

Very smart is the most important part but being able to talk to your doctor is important, too. If my doctor obviously doesn't like me or treats me poorly or hands out really bad advice [that has happened to me], I find another doctor. I have tried giving the doctors in question a few chances but I had to move on. Oh, except the ENT who told me the lump behind my ear was from having my ears be too clean. It was in my salivary gland. .... I got a biopsy and went back. Then he told me that I shouldn't have surgery for it because surgery would leave me deformed. Again, ...? Fortunately, there is the internet. Yes, you MUST have surgery for this condition and yes, you will have a scar. I wouldn't call that deformed and it sure beats a slow death from a benign tumor.

 

[lilac7779]

Doctor is wrong , insurance company is wrong ! Both are.worried about their wallets . Insurance company does NOT care about anything but profits . Doctors worry about big drug company's not.giving them kickbacks for the patches/gums/ chantix and such . Dump your doctor and get a better doc .

I agree with Edd. Doctors can be wrong, too.

 

[dsy5]

I had my annual checkup last week and the Doc asks if I'm still smoking, I told him no that I use a PV and I'm almost done with nic and he says "You're still a smoker".

I wonder if he had any indications from your check-up which led him to ask if you were still smoking. I might have said to him, "No, I decided to quit; is there something that came up in my exam that I should be concerned about?".

Clearly he is not on-board with vaping as an alternative, but there may be something in the check-up that concerned him.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Doctor is wrong , insurance company is wrong ! Both are.worried about their wallets . Insurance company does NOT care about anything but profits . Doctors worry about big drug company's not.giving them kickbacks for the patches/gums/ chantix and such . Dump your doctor and get a better doc .

True, insurance is a generally a for profit business .. it would not exist otherwise .. however, the healthier you are, the more profit they make .. and cash kickbacks to DR's is a myth

 

[Uncle Willie]

My DR, who I have gone to for many, many years says .. I think the PV is probably better than a cig, but you're really best off quiting totally .. and that's good advice ..

I suppose I should keep looking for a new DR until I find one that tells me what I want to hear ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

Your doctor is an idiot. Just tell him you quit smoking and leave it at that. My wife had 2 neck surgeries and was required to quit analogs or they wouldnt do the surgery. She went to vaping 26mg juice and totally quit analogs immediately. She was required to have a "nicotine" test before both surgeries and still came out clean even though she vapes 26mg juice. So if you dont smell like an ashtray, there really isnt any way they can tell.

I'm pretty sure that's going to depend on each individuals metabolism and the sensitivity level of the test . .

 

[Renolizzie]

My DR, who I have gone to for many, many years says .. I think the PV is probably better than a cig, but you're really best off quiting totally .. and that's good advice ..

I suppose I should keep looking for a new DR until I find one that tells me what I want to hear ..

I suppose if your doctor were giving you bad advice instead of a measured response, you would be looking for another doctor? You seem pretty smart.

By the way, many doctors have received kickbacks and freebies from pharmaceutical companies for many years. Althought the insurance company is not giving kickbacks to doctors that I am aware of. There are doctors that game the system and make sure you get tests and other procedures you don't really need because it does make them more money.

 

[Placebo Effect]

Get a new doctor.

 

[jazon1]

yea some DR's realy know nothing about e-cigs and figure if your inhaling anything that your a smoker even tho there is literally no smoke involved, the DR's that i have seen that know what they are and support people switching to vaping but will caution that there may be unknown risks but doubt they would be as high as the well know risks involved with smoking.

 

[patkin]

Dump the doc.

Bit of a problem with the "progressive" doc labels. Might be better to label the authoritarian types "nanny state docs." I think they're calling themselves "progressives" these days... ya know, the "everyone better do it my way since I'm smarter than they are" types.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I suppose I should keep looking for a new DR until I find one that tells me what I want to hear ..

Sounds like a swipe at me, Willie. Maybe I read too much meaning into it, maybe not.

I think you should do whatever suits you when you hire a doctor. I happen to agree with the advice yours gave you, so I would be inclined to listen to him. I do not need a doctor who "tells me what I want to hear", I need one who will answer my questions and who listens. I expect the doctor to challenge my assumptions and make me smarter when he tells me why I am misinformed. I will not settle for anything less in my physician.

I recommend everyone take selecting their doctor very seriously, and not to settle for the first one they meet.

 

[molli]

Took the asthmatic daughter to her pulmonologist. Whipped out my ecig and asked his opinion (he's not even MY doctor). His response was while he would like to see some long term research/results, anything that got people off cigarettes was a WIN in his book, and to keep vaping! Now why can't I find a primary doc like him......

 

[patkin]

Its not about hearing what one want to. My husband almost died and was in the hospital for three months. I have more experience with doctors than I ever wanted to have... maybe a total of a dozen during that time. The issue is not hearing what one wants to but about confidence in what is heard. When the chips are down and things get really serious, I want to have confidence in my doctor. I wouldn't have confidence in the one EddardinWinter spoke with for the same reasons he didn't.

 

[oxygen thief]

I would have asked him if he's ever seen smoke coming out of an e cig. Like someone said, doctors contradict, mis diagnose, and mis prescribe on a daily basis. Your opinion is right, his isn't.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I suppose if your doctor were giving you bad advice instead of a measured response, you would be looking for another doctor? You seem pretty smart.

By the way, many doctors have received kickbacks and freebies from pharmaceutical companies for many years. Althought the insurance company is not giving kickbacks to doctors that I am aware of. There are doctors that game the system and make sure you get tests and other procedures you don't really need because it does make them more money.

And there are DR's that will help support addiction habits .. there are bad apples in pretty much all professions .. and I don't see it as a measured response .. I see it as good advice .. IOW .. if a non smoker for life came to you and said . . "I'm thinking of starting up with a PV .. what do you think .. ??" Would you say, .. that's a great idea let me help you buy one or would you say .. Why would you want to do that, it's a bad idea .. better to stay free of all voluntary inhalants .. ??

 

[Uncle Willie]

Sounds like a swipe at me, Willie. Maybe I read too much meaning into it, maybe not.

I think you should do whatever suits you when you hire a doctor. I happen to agree with the advice yours gave you, so I would be inclined to listen to him. I do not need a doctor who "tells me what I want to hear", I need one who will answer my questions and who listens. I expect the doctor to challenge my assumptions and make me smarter when he tells me why I am misinformed. I will not settle for anything less in my physician.

I recommend everyone take selecting their doctor very seriously, and not to settle for the first one they meet.

No swipe .. I am lucky in that I have a primary DR as well as a cardiologist that are very good at what they do .. and I trust and value their knowledge and experience .. you see, I have had multiple heart attacks caused by the 45 years of smoking .. 2 stents .. the PV may be saving my life .. so I am indebted to the technology .. however, I also know that these guys are not always going to tell me what I want to hear .. and that the OP's original question on his DR is not a basis to poo poo that physicians opinion .. because, it is an opinion ..

I also believe not voluntarily inhaling anything other than air is the best policy .. my opinion ..

 

[StormFinch]

An electronic cigarette, also known as an e-cigarette, personal vaporizer or PV, is an electronic inhaler that vaporizes a liquid solution into an aerosol mist, simulating the act of tobacco smoking.

Smoking is a practice in which a substance, most commonly tobacco, is burned and the smoke is tasted or inhaled. This is primarily practised as a route of administration for recreational drug use, as combustion releases the active substances

Vaping requires no combustion therefore you ARE NOT a smoker.

You should enjoy my sig line, VVV in place since 2011.

 

[Renolizzie]

No swipe .. I am lucky in that I have a primary DR as well as a cardiologist that are very good at what they do .. and I trust and value their knowledge and experience .. you see, I have had multiple heart attacks caused by the 45 years of smoking .. 2 stents .. the PV may be saving my life .. so I am indebted to the technology .. however, I also know that these guys are not always going to tell me what I want to hear .. and that the OP's original question on his DR is not a basis to poo poo that physicians opinion .. because, it is an opinion ..

I also believe not voluntarily inhaling anything other than air is the best policy .. my opinion ..

I'm sorry to hear of your health issues, Uncle Willie. Sure, inhaling air is best for you.

I'm glad you have a doctor and a cardiologist you trust and who are good at what they do. And any adviser should be ready, willing and able to tell you there real opinion and what the facts are behind that opinion.

It is quite unfortunate that there always has been and perhaps always will be, quite a few doctors that are not good at what they do. It is up to us, as patients, to make a decision on who will treat us, since the medical profession does not have a good system to weed out the bad doctors. And there are some pretty bad doctors out there.

There are also some very good doctors one of whom helped my old lady friend. She had talked to numerous doctors when she was in the hospital. She was in a huge amount of pain and had been for some time although it wasn't actually related to the reason she was hospitalized. He listened and then he said he would get back to her. And he did. He found an answer and tried something new. She wasn't cured of all her afflictions but she was cured of unrelenting pain. The right doctor can make such a difference in people's lives and they should be proud to be good doctors who help people have better lives.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I would have asked him if he's ever seen smoke coming out of an e cig. Like someone said, doctors contradict, mis diagnose, and mis prescribe on a daily basis. Your opinion is right, his isn't.

Ever hit a too dry carto with a high capacity battery .. ?? It does burn and it does smoke .. and it's not vapor smoke .. just say'n