Doc's get a cut in prescriptions they prescribe???

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Bertrand

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Does anyone know if doctors & PA's get a % of $ for the newer, costly drugs they're pushing? (Chantix, topamax, trexamax, etc)

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No. I think until about the 1850s virtually all doctors were also pharmacists. Around this time (in England, at least) the ethical problems became evident, and the professions separated.

There are, however a variety of tools pharmaceutical companies use to bribe doctors, but none of them are very effective: free trips to "conferences", etc. IIRC the research into this showed very little change to prescribing patterns. In countries that allow it, direct advertising to patients is a much more cost effective way to spend advertising money.

Pathology clinics are a little different, and I know in Australia they have been getting into trouble. Pathology clinics make huge profits, whereas medical clinics make virtually nothing. (There is a doctor shortage here, and doctors have discovered they can get paid virtually all the profits.) What the pathology clinics do is pay exorbitant rents to the medical centre in exchange for being next door to them. I think some of them have been even more direct about this, too.

I don't think many doctors have a vested interest in what they prescribe you (at least in most countries - laws and policing may differ as to the proscribed bribery methods.) But since about the 70s - 80s with the rise of evidence based medicine, they are unlikely to prescribe anything without a double-blind clinical trial with cross-over. And fair enough. E-cigarettes don't fall into this category.
 

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Growing up, I lived next door to our county's most popular pediatrician. Each week, a truck from Coca-Cola would park in front of his house and unload crates of Cokes to his garage. No money was ever exchanged, but the whole neighborhood enjoyed Cokes. All he had to say was "Take two of these with some Coke and you'll be fine in a few days."

The incentives for doctors remain -- all kinds of freebies. But I'm not enough of an insider to say money is exchanged. I doubt it. Maybe Dr. Loi can comment on Malaysian practices. I spent my career in the press, remember, and I'd love to have sniffed out a doctor taking money from a drug company. I would have put it on the front page and editorialized for legislation. It's blatantly unethical on its face.

In Florida, doctors were forced to separate from pharmacies, but a loophole allowed them to own hospitals. Isn't that special? They send a person to a hospital as surely as law enforcement jails a person, they determine how long the patient stays in their hospital and they determine which drugs the patient gets. They profit every step of the way. If their hospital profits are off, they just extend patient stays. insurance pays most times -- the doctors say the stay was necessary.

It's detestable and a new law is needed to prevent any physician or group of physicians from owning any interest in hospitals, for the same reasons they can't own pharmacies.

Doctors do joke, by the way, about the number of ball point pens, etc., they are given by pharmaceutical representatives. But I think bells would sound somewhere if drug companies paid bribe money to doctors in any direct way. But I'll quickly admit I could be blind to this one ...
 

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not exactly unrelated to the thread but big pharm has recently been side-stepping the FDA regulations that compel them to list side-effects in their tv spots by talking about the condition a patient suffers from rather than drug. the ads then directs the viewer to a web-site. you might be familiar with the "silence your rooster" campaign as one example.

well pifzer has revived ads that direct people to www.mytimetoquit.com. this is just a craftily rendered bait page that ultimately leads you to their product site....chantix. its the same tactic employed by affiliate marketers.

the site tells you to "Ask your doctor about medications and other stop-smoking aids that might be right for you" and to "Learn more about a prescription treatment option"

"The campaign isn’t designed to circumvent FDA rules", Pfizer spokeswoman Sally Beatty told the WSJ. “My Time to Quit is designed to encourage people who are thinking about quitting to speak to their health-care provider about the benefits of quitting smoking and available treatment options,”
 
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I know it's illegal for doctors to take official "kickbacks" from companies - there are serious ethical issues involved. Companies, of course, try still - "training conferences" on cruise ships, lunch for the whole office, etc.

But most pharmacists I've been to always go out of their way to give you the generic if they can, and in fact have done it after the fact (to my happiness) and let me know when I picked it up.
 

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I know it's illegal for doctors to take official "kickbacks" from companies - there are serious ethical issues involved. Companies, of course, try still - "training conferences" on cruise ships, lunch for the whole office, etc.

Problem is, pharmaceutical companies can't tell who has prescribed what (doctor/patient confidentiality.) Bribes only really work when you can see that the person you have bribed is actually doing what you bribed them for.
 

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Problem is, pharmaceutical companies can't tell who has prescribed what (doctor/patient confidentiality.) Bribes only really work when you can see that the person you have bribed is actually doing what you bribed them for.

Logically, you're correct. But I think the attitude in regards to bribing doctors is sort of like: "ultra-focused advertising." They can't be SURE, but they think it has some sort of effect, so they keep trying.
 

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Logically, you're correct. But I think the attitude in regards to bribing doctors is sort of like: "ultra-focused advertising." They can't be SURE, but they think it has some sort of effect, so they keep trying.

Actually there has been some research, but it doesn't look very effective. (There were only slight changes to prescribing patterns. I guess with expensive drugs, this could be worth their while.)
 
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