rcalvy1, I agree wholeheartedly. And not just a little safer, but by a lot I suspect. In reality I just want to know what I'm doing with my body, and if there is a reason to eventually stop vaping. You have to admit, unlimited nicotine consumption without any health repercussion seems a little too good to be true. I think we all have suspected that at one time or another.
Does anybody know if inhaling instead of ingesting food , flavor ingredients causes harm?
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Have the caffeine drinkers suspected that too?
Because I'll admit nothing of the sort unless they do too.
That was more just a turn of phrase, literally admitting it, but I suppose whether or not you actually do is of no consequence. You either have or have not have that doubt.
And yes, I believe caffiene drinkers probably have had that thought at some point.
And yes, I believe caffiene drinkers probably have had that thought at some point.
Wouldn't it be Prudent for anyone with any logic whatsoever to assume Moderation in all things relating to health beats excess any time?
Who are these mysterious somebodies? The reason long term studies were done concerning second hand smoke is because of the supposed harm it did to the actual smokers. In vaping they cannot make such a case. What would long term studies look for? Everything or anything in particular? With hundreds of not thousands of juice vendors with literally tens of thousands of varying recipes for specific
flavors do we conduct long term studies on each and every variation? Then there is the hardware to
consider.
I personally would be considerate of children and older people for cultural reasons alone.
However when it comes to the legality of a adult smoking in the same space as their child
I believe the state has no business criminalizing such behavior. These types of laws are the
kind that will boot one in the buttocks 20-30 years down the road.
Remember the debate about hate crimes? Do you remember the opponents saying that
down the road it would lead to thought crime? Well they were right. The drum beats started.
http://www.newsweek.com/should-climate-change-deniers-be-prosecuted-378652
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Mike
Fair enough then...
And as a nicotine user, I have considered the potential concern...
And mostly, if not almost entirely, dismissed such concern...
Unless you have an existing condition where your doctor advises against caffeine...
There is usually little reason to worry about nicotine use...
EDIT:
I keep forgetting I am no longer a nicotine user.
But it wasn't any healthcare concerns that prompted me to stop using nicotine.
It was the corrupt health care system supported by corrupt politicians.
But that is a story for another day.
Or one could just look up the threads I've started recently.
Because the whole ugly story is there in black and white.
Crxess,
I suppose, but what context is there for moderation when it comes to vaping? There is no biological need for vaping, no historical precedent, and no long term studies. How exactly does one determine excess and moderation when there is no point of reference to go off of?
I suppose, but what context is there for moderation when it comes to vaping? There is no biological need for vaping, no historical precedent, and no long term studies. How exactly does one determine excess and moderation when there is no point of reference to go off of?
@Munk Excellent point. We all should remember that when it came to smoking
as for the smokers themselves they already had lifetime smokers,middle aged smokers
and underage smokers to start with. That was a problem in and of itself as almost 80%
of the adult population had tried smoking and 45 to 48 % did smoke. It is no big mystery
why smoking was blamed as the main villain in so many diseases. At one time there was
a 80% chance you were in the supposed risk group.
Regards
Mike
as for the smokers themselves they already had lifetime smokers,middle aged smokers
and underage smokers to start with. That was a problem in and of itself as almost 80%
of the adult population had tried smoking and 45 to 48 % did smoke. It is no big mystery
why smoking was blamed as the main villain in so many diseases. At one time there was
a 80% chance you were in the supposed risk group.
Regards
Mike
Sorry, I tend to forget I look at things through a Long life of varying exposures.(62yrs) My life and experiences have been all over the Map, from laborer to Manufacturing to Business ownership. My Lifestyle has also been reflective of such changes.
Taking a Que from my life as a Smoker, I feel Less is Better when Vaping.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Vaping.........maybe to much. I probably Vape as much as 20ml some days, though I am starting to rethink and modify my habit to reduce daily intake.
**Now, Even though I Vape rather heavily at times, I have concerns of to much intake in areas of Nicotine as well as Flavoring.
To address those Concerns, I DIY my own e-liquids. I have Dropped Nicotine to 1%-3% and even on Low consumption equipment, I no longer increase the Nicotine.
As for Flavorings, I avoid any Coloring if possible as well as minimal exposure to Diketones<still a minimal amount>. I have Reduced my Flavorings and even the highest % used is about 1/2 that of any Premium e-liquids.
Premium - There is a trick word. Basically, a High % of Flavoring in the mix.
Study some better Recipe sites and you will consistently see 30%-40% Flavoring, while DIY Rule of thumb has steadfastly been 20% max combined flavoring.
Mine is average 7%-16% total Flavoring with, 1 rarely vaped, exception.
Everyone is different and to err on the side of caution is wise for All.
Why wait until one is having trouble drawing a breath to decide Chain Vaping high VG may be causing the INDIVIDUAL Distress?
Why wait until one feels like their heart is jumping out of their Chest to decide, maybe to much Nic.
"There is no biological need for vaping, no historical precedent, and no long term studies."
As Stated, I will agree..................However, there are Studies on Nicotine, a driving Factor for ex-smokers to Vape.
There Are studies on Genetic conditioning - Predisposition to Nicotine Addiction.
A Cellular level change that effects some much more so than others.
As a 45+ year Smoker that failed Miserably, many times, to quit Smoking - I am fairly Certain I will be seeking some form of Nicotine for the rest of my existence. It Does, in my case, play a role in my mental health and the Physical health of those around me.
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CASAA has paid for studies.
National Vapers Club has paid for studies.
Crowd funding has paid for Dr. Farsalinos studies.
So really, for the most part, vapers have paid for studies.
What is SFATA up to these days?
They are funded by vendors for the most part.
I can't remember if they've done any studies.
But they are funding lobbying efforts, which may or may not be more important.
I don't know, I'm no expert.
I just read a study out of Harvard that found drinking 2 sodas a day increases your risk of heart disease by 30%. I can't find any similar studies about vaping but after smoking for 45 years I have seen a clear and pronounced improvement in my health after I quit smoking and started vaping. I DIY so I know whats in my juice. I only use TFA flavors that are diketone and acetoin free and I vape at 10 watts or less so it takes me a week to consume as much juice as high power vapers consume in a day. when I start to see cloud chasers dropping like fly's from vaping then I will be concerned. until then I will enjoy the good taste and better health vaping has given me
My SIL felt like a million bucks when she went in for her yearly mammogram and found out she had a spot.........which turned out to be triple negative breast cancer, one of the really bad kinds. It had already spread to 1/2 her lymph nodes on that side as well.
Diabetes is typically asymptomatic until people develop serious complications... a study just came out showing that nearly 30 percent of Americans who have diabetes don’t realize it....and 2/3rds of undiagnosed diabetics had seen a health care provider at least twice in the past year...
Sorry, can't go with what you are saying.
I was thinking more on the terms of things that are on the outside... food water natural chemicals that can cause issues...
internal things as you mentioned are pretty much genetic abborations that are hidden well...
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