doesn't live up to the hype......

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Gauntlgrym

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Possibly don't buy so much all at once? From the sound of it you bought a lot right off the bat and I wouldn't recommend that for anyone. I don't care if you have a million to blow. Normally 2-3 or 1 sample pack should be enough when testing the water with new vendors.

right...i bought 2...wish i would have only bought one

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I think this is where it all started to go down hill. Caution others against what exactly? Buying a ton of juice from a vendor

yup, buying a ton of juice from a vendor that is HIGHLY coveted, and gets nothing but good reviews.

or not understanding the science of steeping?

there you go, just assuming that i know nothing of steeping just because i'm new here....OR because i don't like a juice that you do.
you know that one song "blame it on the alchohol??
5. Jamie Foxx - Blame It (On the Alcohol) (feat T-pain) - INTUITION - YouTube
i think i need to make a song called "blame it on the noob that don't know about steeping".... seems to be what everyone thinks around here.
oh, you don't like HHV?" (or a juice i like) "you must not steep!" "stupid noob."

But if you can't understand that some juices have to go under a chemical change called steeping:
v. steeped, steep·ing, steeps
v.tr.
1. To soak in liquid in order to cleanse, soften, or extract a given property from.
2. To infuse or subject thoroughly to. ** this one would be closest to most juices you order**
3. To make thoroughly wet; saturate.
v.intr.
To undergo a soaking in liquid.
n.
1.
a. The act or process of steeping.
b. The state of being steeped.
2. A liquid, bath, or solution in which something is steeped.
 
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just my opinion.....but i think 30 days in nonsense. i think this is something that advocates of HHV(and other vendors) say in order to defend a juice they like.
why do i think this? because every vendor i order from(that makes to order) i always email them directly, and ask how long i should steep. well heather herself (or at least an employee that answers questions for the website) told me 2-3 weeks should be great.

Hey,

I have had this experience too. A lot of vendors, and this is not specific to HHV, will tell you what they need to tell you to not turn you off. What I mean is, why in the hell would a vendor sell you a liquid and say, "most people agree, this liquid tastes best after 3 months?" Man, I've had a liquid that was nasty for 7 months only to get good around the 8-9th month mark--that'd be a hard sell.

Another thing should be taken into consideration: what delivery device are the vendors using to vape their own juice? If vaping with a genny, RDA/RBA, 510/901/306 atty, cartomizer, ViVi, Clearo, Nano, etc., all of that will really influence how the flavor tastes--some devices will make the flavor taste better at different stages.

I don't know if that is a quote or not, but did she say "should"?

Just so you know, I take no qualms with your situation and I actually applaud you for standing your ground (but there's no real threat here). Just know that getting the best out of the liquid that you purchased is kooky, not a science. I disagree with vendors about their juice all the time. For instance, most vendors don't sell juice that they personally believe is nasty; but oh, I've had too many that were. It would seem that we will never be totally in line with what they believe about their juice.
 
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Grym. Calm down. Breathe, brother, relax. No one is calling you out. No one is antagonizing you. No one is trying to call you a "stupid noob".

We understand what you're saying. We get it, friend. This forum isn't about calling out noobs, or antagonizing new users.

BUT...

You ARE new HERE.

ECF (well, it used to be) is a mature, calm, peaceful place for vapers to congregate and share information. SOMETIMES, someone will come along and say something that may rub you the wrong way. You can either do one of two things: ignore them (you have absolutely NOTHING to prove to anyone here), or bicker back and forth and watch a well-meaning thread get derailed.

GThompson is a nice guy. Short, but polite. Maybe you mistook his brevity as sarcasm. It's really hard to "tell" what the other person "sounds" like because there is no way for us to pick up vocal intonation using text.

There is no need to prove yourself "not" a noob. No need to prove yourself to anyone or anybody.

I've learned, after nearly 15 years of dealing with online forums, that there's really two ways of dealing with this: ignore them, move on, and you're done. Or you can bicker back and forth and watch a thread get derailed.

Er'body just needs to relax, calm down, and take a breather. Vape that e-cig, friends, and let's all enjoy our time here.



right...i bought 2...wish i would have only bought one

Your exact quote of:



yup, buying a ton of juice from a vendor that is HIGHLY coveted, and gets nothing but good reviews.



there you go, just assuming that i know nothing of steeping just because i'm new here....OR because i don't like a juice that you do.
you know that one song "blame it on the alchohol??
5. Jamie Foxx - Blame It (On the Alcohol) (feat T-pain) - INTUITION - YouTube
i think i need to make a song called "blame it on the noob that don't know about steeping".... seems to be what everyone thinks around here.
oh, you don't like HHV?" (or a juice i like) "you must not steep!" "stupid noob."
 

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strictly a tobacco guy myself, and i find that i actually like the "synthetic" stuff better then all the NET or "natural" flavorings. I love a nice DK Tab (personal favorite one right now is Mr. Vape's version) or a good 555 (if mellowed properly, or somehow mixed without that "bubble gummy" taste that some 555's have). a few ry4's from a couple vendors sometimes do it for me, but not if they're overly sweet. i think finding a good all day vape and/or a few favorite juices you can't live without may be the most challenging part of the whole vaping world, especially if you're a tobacco guy. i've been at this for over a year, and i'm WAY past the point of just vaping to replace my smoking habit-it's a hobby for me, and satisfies me on so many more levels then smoking ever did. aside from getting my nic fix in a better, less offensive, and of course (in my opinion) healthier way, it's opened a whole new world for me. i love everything about it-the gizmos, the tinkering, the options... juice is hard though, man.

hey thanks :) you like salvatore??

anyways, i'm a tobacco guy myself. i'm vaping in order to not smoke, so for me some type of tobacco flavor is a must. even if it's subtle.
as for what i tried from HHV:
Dark horse
Dragon's fire
H. tobacco
Huntsman
Legend
Oompa
Pirate's Booty
Shadow

i'n case you r curious my favs from Halo are:
Tribecca
Prime 15
Longhong

and my favs from copper creek are:
Twisted tobacco
voo's brew
voo doo
 

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You can get mad all you want. No where in my post did I call you a noob. You tend to add tags to yourself more so than others are.

I was merely stating that your remark about steeping was not necessarily correct and that maybe you should look into more the facts of steeping to possibly learn that not everything you get is going to be user friendly and ready to use right out of the box. Sometimes you have to be patient and build your jungle gym so to speak in order to use it to the fullest.

As Rocket said, take a chill pill, vape some juice you have that you do like and be over it. This isn't the place to wage war on your fellow vapors. This is a place to enjoy each other's company, possibly ask help from users who know more than us and share great stories and tips on the one thing we love, vaping.
 

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I can agree while still supporting HHV. If you need to steep a juice for 30 days it belongs in the trash.

I thought this too when I first started vaping. Then, I realized I was wrong. It's like cooking, you have to cook items for a certain amount of time at a specified temperature or they don't come out right. Juice is no different. Just like cheese gets better with age, as does wine, and many other products, age can make a huge difference in something, depending on the ingredients used.

Patience Grasshopper...
 

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Vapetrik Dorky Stud is one of the best tobaccos out there. Much better than anything I've tried from HHV and only slightly less addictive than Boba's Bounty.

See, I could not stand dorky stud. But I absolutely love dragons fire. This just goes to show how different people's tastes are

the point.....is that i felt like i wasted money on HHV. i heard nothing but great things, and saw how coveted they were on this forum.
so, i'm simply trying to put in my 2 cents, to possibly caution other new buyers.
i was soooooo sure that HHV was gonna be great, i bought 2 sample packs. maybe if i saw a thread like this. i would have used more caution, and only bought 1 and saved some money.



for you, and all that seem to be making the assumption that i don't know about steeping. i waited 2 weeks and 5 or 6 days. i doubt 1 day is gonna be a game changer.

also, mentioned that copper creek was one of my favs, and they mix to order as well.
No need to "warn" people. Everyone needs to figure out what they like and what they dont like on their own.


I guess I didn't see the previous notes about steeping HHV for 30 days.
If this is so, then they should put a note in with the order to let newcomers know.
I didn't know and almost tossed them. Now, I'll hold on to them for 30 days first.
TY.

Tossed? Threw away? Noooo. You can always give what you don't like to me! Lol or trade them in the classies.




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This whole thread lost me, was it supposed to be a review? If so it was a really bad example of one. At no point did the op actually review the juices in question, instead it just all came off as a bash. Taste is personal, when I take a review in consideration, I look for similaritys with other juices, just in case I have tried them and will have an idea of this juice's taste. I want to know what device it was vaped in, that will have a big impact on it's flavor. The Op's first post never mentioned that the juices were steeped and if so for how long (very important with NETS IMHO). Hell the standard "Throat Hit, Vapor Production, Flavor", would of been nice. Instead the very first Post came of as a whiny bash post of a very highly regarded juice maker. Follow up posts were just attempts to defend your "expert" opinion. At no time was a proper review attempted. If you don't like something, great, if you were so disgusted by something that You felt the the need to come on here and bash it (this thread in no way fits the precepts of a review) be prepared for the backlash. Bashing a highly regarded product coupled with a low post count will always set peoples "Trolldar" off. Again, I think you should of probably rectified the situation by doing at least the minimum of reviews and left it alone. Instead you tried to defend your stance with more insults and whiny retorts as well calling out other well respected members who attempted to help you out. You just joined the pantheon of folks with less then useless opinions that will just be out right ignored unless I need a good laugh.
 

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This whole thread lost me, was it supposed to be a review?

no

If so it was a really bad example of one. At no point did the op actually review the juices in question, instead it just all came off as a bash. Taste is personal, when I take a review in consideration, I look for similaritys with other juices, just in case I have tried them and will have an idea of this juice's taste. I want to know what device it was vaped in, that will have a big impact on it's flavor. The Op's first post never mentioned that the juices were steeped and if so for how long (very important with NETS IMHO).

sorry, when i talk about a juice i just assumed that people would think i wasn't a total idiot, and i steeped them for a proper amount of time. as i said before "blame it on the steep" song :p

Hell the standard "Throat Hit, Vapor Production, Flavor", would of been nice. Instead the very first Post came of as a whiny bash post of a very highly regarded juice maker.

you are entitled to your opinion. i was just trying to warn some people, and mabe cut down on the hype a bit. your post comes off as a whiney/bashy defense of a ejuice maker you like *shrug* to each his own i guess.

Follow up posts were just attempts to defend your "expert" opinion.

most of my follow up posts were in defense of my thread, not my opinion. since it got derailed.

At no time was a proper review attempted.

well, not a review, so.......

If you don't like something, great, if you were so disgusted by something that You felt the the need to come on here and bash it (this thread in no way fits the precepts of a review) be prepared for the backlash. Bashing a highly regarded product coupled with a low post count will always set peoples "Trolldar" off.

i never bashed it. in fact multiple times i said it was "pretty good" or "ok" or "not bad" i guess you don't and/or can't read.... OR are very defensive of HHV. me saying something doesn't live up to the hype, is not me bashing it. i never said anything bad about it.
i just said it was over hyped...do you really consider that a bash???

Again, I think you should of probably rectified the situation by doing at least the minimum of reviews and left it alone. Instead you tried to defend your stance with more insults and whiny retorts as well calling out other well respected members who attempted to help you out.

whiny!?!?!...jesus....pot meet kettle.

You just joined the pantheon of folks with less then useless opinions that will just be out right ignored unless I need a good laugh.

hah, i get a laugh because this last stament just proved to me you are a forum elitist.
no high post count = useless opinion. lol

***btw GTHOMPSON. sorry for the misunderstanding. after what others said, and you remaining civil throughout this....i realize i might have over-reacted a bit.***
 
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Gauntlgrym, there was a time when I went through a similar thing that you have going on here--I just didn't quite have the fight that you have in you. That could also be part of the problem though. I went back through and read your follow-up comments after the initial post and it seems to me that you--and this is just an observation--were expecting resistance from this thread or from your membership status, and anything that could be construed as resistance triggered your defense mechanisms. Man, I get it though. I remember when I was first on this forum, my heart would start racing as soon as someone said anything remotely challenging to my position--but that's the nature of forums, and I got over it quickly. It generally only gets touchy when people break from a meeting of the minds and start butting heads.

To be honest, if you hadn't previously seen anything negative about HHV, I would say that you were not swamped with hype, but maybe just sold on it. It happens. There are plenty negative reviews, threads, posts, videos, etc., about any and every vendor (as long as enough people have tried them), though there may be weighted to one side. The truth is that many people feel like you and don't "get it" with HHV. And that's fine. The hell with who steeps and who doesn't. PBsuardo (a man who has been watched by virtually EVERY vaper) made a video about HHV while reviewing Legend (Gandalf), and he was practically gagging on the "perfume!" taste of it. HA! And that was during a time when I used to rave about how HHV's tobaccos didn't need to steep. Go figure.

Yes, there will be people that defend HHV, Halo, BWB, Copper Creek, Dekang or any other vendors. And that's okay. Hell, have you read some of the no-holds-barred ecig forums? Now that is some flat-out assault going on in some of those places. :facepalm:

One time I was seriously ganged up on (for real) and called a troll for saying one ill thing of a vendor in a love-thread about that vendor (I was asking for it, LOL). That thread got so bad that it was not only closed, but deleted. I made my own thread after that to see how people felt about the general topic of one vendor vs. another (no names were mentioned). So this isn't the same situation as you find yourself in, but I want you to read one of the responses from a beloved ECF member who no longer posts (much to my dismay--I miss Ohai).

It's always the Sharks and the Jets, where ever you go- this kind of petty drama is just human nature. Everybody wants to start a rumble.

I could tell you hair raising stories about the grisly cross forum/facebook/twitter battles fought and died for between fans of certain gluten-free recipe bloggers/authors over Amazon reviews, with the authors themselves egging their rabid defenders on. I've seen some truly hateful stuff, ranging from disgusting name calling to actual death wishes on people's children. And what these people are so passionate about are blogs and cookbooks about flour substitutes. For muffins.

I had the misfortune to post a (legitimate) somewhat negative review of one of these fine "ladies'" cookbooks for which I paid far too much money, and was subsequently swooped down upon by a pack of really cranky carb-deprived blog minions questioning everything from the freshness of my baking powder, to my sanity, to my ability to read at all. Someone may have even questioned the very species of my parentage. And it's not like I ground her into the floor like a cigarette ...., either, I gave her a 3, and still I got nasty mail for weeks from total strangers.

Everybody needs to feel like they belong to something bigger than themselves. Even loners have heroes they'll defend to the death. Daily life can become drab and lonely, and there's no better cure for boredom than a good old fashioned feud. Unless you read, or play some sort of sport, or have some other kind of interesting hobby you could indulge in until the urge to make an ... out of yourself on the internet passes, that is.

Ohai
 

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I can remember when (grab a seat, boy) ECF was gentle, kind, and almost hassle-free. Them'se was the good ol' days. I came from a dark, dank, and hollow place, the World of Warcraft and Spacebattles forums. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy" than in those places (not counting 4chan).

To me, ECF was a breath of fresh air. In a can. A la Spaceballs. Most people were mellow, you got answers fairly quickly. Now, with the influx of neauveu vapers, we get a whole host of new personalities. Most are antisocial or self-defensive.

I hate to say this, because that fellow Steam Turbine seems to be creating threads left and right in a "Z" formation, and s/he's new, and if this is what we get to deal with in the future... /facepalm.

Que Madonna: "This used to be my playground..."
 

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I thought this too when I first started vaping. Then, I realized I was wrong. It's like cooking, you have to cook items for a certain amount of time at a specified temperature or they don't come out right. Juice is no different. Just like cheese gets better with age, as does wine, and many other products, age can make a huge difference in something, depending on the ingredients used.

Patience Grasshopper...
Yeah, I'm always willing to change my mind. I'm letting Boba's Bounty run for 30 days right now as I can't stomach it out of the bottle. I'll actually be pleased to be proven wrong.
 
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