This whole thread seems kinda funny to me. Most people have either personal or practical reasons for the solution they choose.
I'm a 510 person myself. And do not like cartomizers. But at the same time I have an Eluma kit, which I like, and use (it's basically a DSE901).
I'll probably try everything in my days as a vaporer. But the debate about "what is truly the best PV" is sorta like debating who the greatest football player was in all history. Payton? Butkis? Elway? Singletary?
Every one of those players had strong and weak points- like every PV solution.
Strange. It doesn't even seem important enough to debate.
The most important issue, from my standpoint, is are you tobacco free? THAT is the question. Whatever works. Cool. Whatever you like... cool.
These threads seem... useless. Unless they are pointing out a problem with a vendor that effects people in a real tangible way.
Is a bad carto from time to time, or cheapy carto qualified?- considering you can get all kinds of stuff, from hundreds of vendors which may or may not be better?
This whole thread seems kinda funny to me. Most people have either personal or practical reasons for the solution they choose.
I'm a 510 person myself. And do not like cartomizers. But at the same time I have an Eluma kit, which I like, and use (it's basically a DSE901).
I'll probably try everything in my days as a vaporer. But the debate about "what is truly the best PV" is sorta like debating who the greatest football player was in all history. Payton? Butkis? Elway? Singletary?
Every one of those players had strong and weak points- like every PV solution.
Strange. It doesn't even seem important enough to debate.
The most important issue, from my standpoint, is are you tobacco free? THAT is the question. Whatever works. Cool. Whatever you like... cool.
These threads seem... useless. Unless they are pointing out a problem with a vendor that effects people in a real tangible way.
Is a bad carto from time to time, or cheapy carto qualified?- considering you can get all kinds of stuff, from hundreds of vendors which may or may not be better?

That's freakin priceless!![]()
There is one thing about V4L that you will notice... at some point... you will come back lol.
EDIT: V4L isn't a normal vapor shop... its not something you can walk out on... its a cult... and we will be waiting for your return brother...
You will be back![]()

oh you can walk out ....and don't count on people who left being back...I'd never give them another dime...
I found better/cheaper products.....definitely better juice and customer service...![]()
I'll probably try everything in my days as a vaporer. But the debate about "what is truly the best PV" is sorta like debating who the greatest football player was in all history. Payton? Butkis? Elway? Singletary?
Every one of those players had strong and weak points- like every PV solution.
-deer in the headlights look-
Hmm... Are you the deer? Or the headlights?
Or am I one of them?
Oh the possibilities![]()
oh you can walk out ....and don't count on people who left being back...I'd never give them another dime...
I found better/cheaper products.....definitely better juice and customer service...![]()

This is a universal law: You have used the term "never". Therefor you will use V4L again.
It's a predictable principle. "Never" always translates as "Someday"
Do not say never. It always results in "someday".
Well, I still think you're being a bit overly harsh on them, although I don't feel any supplier/business should be above criticism. I've had 5 trouble free orders so far (although a couple of cartomizers were not so good out of 50+) so I don't have any real complaints.
And not sure how my chrome battery can be "plasticky"!
Still interested in your opinion though. What suppliers would you recommend as an alternative? (just 2 or 3 of what you consider to be the best.)
It's subjective.
perhaps it may have to do with the one and only order I placed with them that they got wrong....true...I also believe that good CS shouldn't take 2 weeks to fix their screw up either...nor require a half dozen or so emails to various addresses, 2 phone calls to CS, and finally a phone call to the owner of the company to fix...
what I mean by plasticy...is the lightness of the battery and the cheap feel of the button compared to say a 510 which just has a more substantial "feel" to it...it's hard to explain...![]()
as far as my personal vendor preference ...well it is a personal thing...but I've had no issues and nothing but spectacular CS from RMV, cignot, nhaler, vaporbomb, halo, vapornine, and ikenvape
I agree. I would be put off by this too. However it hasn't been my experience which is why I ordered from them more than once.
Lightness of the battery is good imo (I like that), but I know what you mean about the button. The button on my old M401s were rubber and just seemed to work better.
Cool. I actually just placed my first order with vaporbomb. And I'm trying Cigeasy as well.
I also recommend Litecig and Truesmoker to people since I've had good experience with them as well.
perhaps it may have to do with the one and only order I placed with them that they got wrong....true...I also believe that good CS shouldn't take 2 weeks to fix their screw up either...nor require a half dozen or so emails to various addresses, 2 phone calls to CS, and finally a phone call to the owner of the company to fix...
what I mean by plasticy...is the lightness of the battery and the cheap feel of the button compared to say a 510 which just has a more substantial "feel" to it...it's hard to explain...
as far as my personal vendor preference ...well it is a personal thing...but I've had no issues and nothing but spectacular CS from RMV, cignot, nhaler, vaporbomb, halo, vapornine, and ikenvape