Don't believe all you read

[wv2win]

I think jammin has as valid a post as any. I don't know if there is an organized attempt to get negative posts on ecf. But there is definitely an organized propaganda machine on the web to degrade the value and saftey of e cigs. This is a serious threat to big tobacco and they will respond with what they can.

It's actually not big tobacco that is promoting a campaign to discredit vaping. There long time product is dieing a slow death and they have much bigger issues than vaping. The campaign is largely funded by Big Pharm. They fund all the groups (ASH, ALA, AHA, etc) that are vehement against vaping as well as strongly influence the FDA. They have a billion dollar failed NRT business to protect and vaping is the main threat to that business.

 

[hawkfire1]

Jamminloud, I applaud your restraint in responding to hawkfire1's post which was completely out of line.

On your original post, I and many others of us agree with your point. It's fine to make a post questioning an assumption or asking for other's opinions/experience but to start a thread with a title something like: Vaping is dangerous to your health makes me immediately believe the OP has an agenda or is trying to scare new people to the forum. You can make a post questioning a belief without a title that screams: WARNING.

explain to me where my post is out of line please?

 

[Tracker II]

having an agenda is how humans operate. The loudest voice falls on the most ears.

a fu manchu is now mandatory in this thread. get growing!

Man who live in glass house should not throw big battery mods.

 

[haft2doit]

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom." -Thomas Paine 1776

Very true quote! I think that about sums up the unease towards vaping.

Someone get jammin his moustache!

 

[haft2doit]

Tracker you earned yours as well.

 

[brittanyNI]

Seems to me that, given the huge taxes on cigarettes, government would have more to lose from people actually skipping the analogs than big tobacco would. Heck, if I were in the big tobacco business, I'd be working out ways to make superior e-cigs and capitalize on that market. I'd work with existing name recognition of my popular brands and make Marlboro, Virginia Slims and Newport branded e-cigs.

 

[haft2doit]

Thanks for that wv2win. Does sound more likely.

@brittany I think that is another reason the FDA is doing what it is. There is pressure from big companies and to sure up tax revenue. I don't think you'll see cig brands on e cigs. The tobacco companies would just start a new brand. I think by the time they have to do something like that, the cig brand would be toxic to consumers. Who knows though it's all speculation.

 

[robert shohet]

now children if us vapers start fighting then the fda will win and say e cigs make us crazy and we need to be stopped by any means neccesary u kno what they say about opinions dont ya that applies here everyone group hug and its ok it was an understandable post

 

[Katiecat]

I was actually thinking something along the lines of the OP last night during my bout of insomnia, lol. When it comes to new members, how can you correctly spot the trolls? I've seen deleted posts recently that I'm assuming the moderaters deemed to be bridge-dwellers. A lot of new members don't know all the hot buttons, and a lot of us newbs discover them over time as the old-timers make us bend over for a spanking, y'know? I don't doubt at all that someone new to vaping would buy an extremely expensive "cheap" kit, and then come to these boards to sing its praises. To the people who've been around for a while, that screams troll. The same can be said about the people who buy those overpriced kits and end up hating them. This is an e-cig forum, so naturally this would be the first place they would go to bash e-cigs. And to comment on the big-tobacco or big-pharm theory: I don't think they are stupid enough to hire people to create accounts and bash e-cigs. I can assure you if they were smart they would hire people to join the groups and become "one of us." Long time members with thousands of posts have a lot more credibility than hit-and-run posts. I know that's completely a conspiracey theory way of looking at it, but it's true. People will listen to someone with thousands of posts, and roll their eyes at anyone with less than 10.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Just a reminder that it's the Internet folks .. you're going to have misinformation, half truths and what not because that's what some people like to do .. it's like saying wikipedia is the Gospel ..

There will always be a faction of the population that enjoys stirring the pot, so to speak .. I find that many of them live in their parents basement at 45, subsisting off bags of Nacho Doritos and Mountain Dew .. they are not smart enough to invent viruses, so between bouts of "World of Warcraft" they troll .. it's the nature of the beast ..

 

[oldsoldier]

Katie, the moderator team is pretty proficient in rooting out people with false agendas. A lot of the posts you assume were deleted for trolling are repeat offenders for spamming, shilling or other wise breaking forum rules. We don't have an agenda to weed out folks that have negative experiences, because we know that vaping is not for everyone, and that people do indeed react differently. Sometimes these folks are able to alter their vaping experience and move forward with the help of input from forum members.

As long as people follow the forum rules and treat each other with respect there is room for all different opinions here.

 

[Boodle]

They walk among us. PR firms representing celebrities pay posters .15/post to refute negatives about their clients while heaping praise and adoration on the star. They pay 'influencers' with high post counts serious money. Maybe I'm paranoid but it appears that tactic is seeping into ECF. Maybe I'm too cynical. Hope so.

 

[Katiecat]

They walk among us. PR firms representing celebrities pay posters .15/post to refute negatives about their clients while heaping praise and adoration on the star. They pay 'influencers' with high post counts serious money. Maybe I'm paranoid but it appears that tactic is seeping into ECF. Maybe I'm too cynical. Hope so.

Is that a fact, or an educated guess? I don't doubt it's true, it's just weird to read it as an actual fact. If it's true, then I'm ...... off. I defended Britney Spears to the death, and I haven't seen a dime for it! I'm not a fan of hers, but it REALLY botherd me how the media and general public was treating this poor woman who was, in her own way, crying out for help.

 

[Randyrtx]

I may catch alot of grief for this but here goes. I for one am very skeptical when I see a single first post slamming the industry with headers like "ecig made me sick" or "ecig no good, going back to smoking" etc..etc....There are other industries out there that have a bunch to lose if vapeing continues to grow. I would not put it past them to fight back. Headers such as these come up on Google searches and similar engines. Propaganda is an ancient war tactic.

"If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true." -Judge Judy

I think it does more damage to our cause to immediately jump on any questionable post and make accusations. If such a post does find it's way into search engines, it would be better that followup posts provide positive feedback, rather than assumptions and accusations. The two examples you posted are valid complaints from new users. It's rather easy at first to get "sick" from too much nicotine (nicotine gum can do the same thing), and there are unfortunately many products out there that are total crap.

The moderators here do an excellent job of monitoring and banning obvious shills and plants. If you think a post is questionable, report it.

 

[unsure]

Don't believe all you read.

So what your saying is that Prince in Nigeria really doesn't need my help. OMG!!

 

[Chopper71]

Just a reminder that it's the Internet folks .. you're going to have misinformation, half truths and what not because that's what some people like to do .. it's like saying wikipedia is the Gospel ..

There will always be a faction of the population that enjoys stirring the pot, so to speak .. I find that many of them live in their parents basement at 45, subsisting off bags of Nacho Doritos and Mountain Dew .. they are not smart enough to invent viruses, so between bouts of "World of Warcraft" they troll .. it's the nature of the beast ..

Well said....though it brought tears to my eye's cause I craked up laughing at the Dorito's and Mt.Dew part tooooooo funny

 

[mlinky]

Don't believe all you read.

So what your saying is that Prince in Nigeria really doesn't need my help. OMG!!

You are corresponding with MY Prince, dearest one?

 

[wv2win]

explain to me where my post is out of line please?

hawkfire1erhaps you should adjust your nic level so that you can chill and enjoy the vape with everyone else.To use words such as ignorant and stupid when the OP was just giving his own opinion.There is no need to blast anyone on here about his/her opinion.ECF is here to help not to degrade someone.

I believe chopper22980 did a nice job of calling you out, as was needed. I'll leave it at that since you seem unable to figure it out on your own.

 

[oldsoldier]

Ok time for a quick intermission and words from your sponsors...

There is no need to call anyone out or make assumptions of intelligence, lack of intelligence, or base credibility on post count. Attack the topic not the posters.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

 

[hubseven]

It always important to separate opinion from fact. I have no problems with opinions that are different than mine. But if someone wants to change my opinion I will listen but need facts to do so. Knowledge comes from replacing opinions with facts. I am a skeptic of all things but facts change what I believe. 500 years ago people believed that the earth was the center of the universe, opinion, now to believe that would be flying in the face of hard facts supported by data.