Don't blame China.

[winson9988]

it's a shame we chinese do not trust the products here and we go to Hong Kong to buy baby milk. Even Walmart and Carrefour is selling some fake products.

Don't blame chinese people because they are smart,hard working and live under huge pressure.

you have to blame Chinese government as the officials only interested in money and women, they care nothing about their job and responsibility!

 

[msrfrog]

nice to see they finally lost that transverse leaf spring rear. And I thought the word in car resale value was MOPAR?

Transverse leafspring ,now that's modern technology .

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[msrfrog]

it's a shame we chinese do not trust the products here and we go to Hong Kong to buy baby milk. Even Walmart and Carrefour is selling some fake products.

Don't blame chinese people because they are smart,hard working and live under huge pressure.

you have to blame Chinese government as the officials only interested in money and women, they care nothing about their job and responsibility!

Not just the Chinese . you can say that about any government official.

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[Dusif]

I have noticed here and elsewhere that one associates cheap and poor quality products with " Made In China". It's not actually true. Manufacturers in China are working with North American retailers to mass produce items according to the retailers specifications. It is the retailer who , in pursuit of exorbitant profits, want to pay the least possible per unit. Blame the retailer, not China. They are more than capable of making high quality items. "The russian" rba is proof of that. As well as many other things.

Keep in mind that china is spitting out pretty much 100,000 times more products than any other country on the planet... For every piece of <beep!> you notice theres 100 great items that just works as intended and gets 0 attention from you... But people like to talk about whats bad and not whats great... Gossip magasines are proof of that.. But go look at various items you use every day and dont know much about... Odds are you will find a MIC stamp...


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[Dampmaskin]

Well, my question had nothing to do with what physician you would want to open your chest and replace a heart valve.

My question was about an artificial heart valve itself ... Given the choice ... Would you want a Chinese made artificial heart valve or an American made heart valve installed in your coronary system?


How about an electronic heart pacemaker installed in your chest ... Chinese or American pacemaker?

be honest

If the American pacemaker was better than the Chinese pacemaker, I would choose the American pacemaker.

If the Chinese pacemaker was better than the American pacemaker, I would choose the Chinese pacemaker.

Pretty simple, really.

Unless I am also allowed to buy German. Then it suddenly becomes 50% more complicated.

 

[horton]

Keep in mind that china is spitting out pretty much 100,000 times more products than any other country on the planet... For every piece of <beep!> you notice theres 100 great items that just works as intended and gets 0 attention from you... But people like to talk about whats bad and not whats great... Gossip magasines are proof of that.. But go look at various items you use every day and dont know much about... Odds are you will find a MIC stamp...


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Ain't that the truth. Just took 5 min to look around the house and it is really surprising how many items are made in China. From electronics to kitchen utensils. It's always easy to be negative and it gets more attention -- I know there is some slick expression -- can't think of it due to all the lead in my environment.....

 

[rasmith1959]

Well, my question had nothing to do with what physician you would want to open your chest and replace a heart valve.

My question was about an artificial heart valve itself ... Given the choice ... Would you want a Chinese made artificial heart valve or an American made heart valve installed in your coronary system?


How about an electronic heart pacemaker installed in your chest ... Chinese or American pacemaker?

be honest

It wouldn't matter to me where the pacemaker was made, as long as it worked reliably for a long time is all that would be important.

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[Completely Average]

nice to see they finally lost that transverse leaf spring rear. And I thought the word in car resale value was MOPAR?

The word Dodge means to quickly avoid.

I don't think the second least reliable car brand sold in America has the highest resale value. If it does, that speaks volumes about Dodge owners.

 

[inanitydefined]

The word Dodge means to quickly avoid.

I don't think the second least reliable car brand sold in America has the highest resale value. If it does, that speaks volumes about Dodge owners.

This is a Dodge


This is a Mopar


The first one is a piece of garbage make by a company so bad it managed to ruin Mercedes Benz. The second is a piece of art that holds its value like few other American made cars.
If I want cars as investments, I'll own Mopars, old Mercedes, Jaguars and Porsches. If I want a car to drive I'll own a Lexus.

 

[Dusif]

This is a Dodge
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This is a Mopar
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The first one is a piece of garbage make by a company so bad it managed to ruin Mercedes Benz. The second is a piece of art that holds its value like few other American made cars.
If I want cars as investments, I'll own Mopars, old Mercedes, Jaguars and Porsches. If I want a car to drive I'll own a Lexus.

Hey hey hey go easy on the neon... I drive one of those every day


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[Equilibrium]

Easy there Dodge haters!
I drive a 2005 Dodge 2500 Cummings Diesel truck. Bought it new in 05 and you couldn't give me a Chevy or Ford Diesel to replace it. I plan on seeing just how many miles that sucker will take before it falls apart. It's been a great truck! And it's a 9000 lb vehicle that gets 21 mpg sitting in stop and go traffic. Can't beat it and wouldn't trade it.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

The issue of nearly everything being made in another country is because it is more profitable for corporations to manufacture in another country. Apparently, until Americans are willing to work for pennies an hour, give up workplace safety and clean air, it'll stay that way. There's almost nothing left to buy that was made here in America, and lecturing all of us average Joe's for not buying American isn't going to solve that issue. Us average joes can't find all american made products anymore, let alone buy them. It goes far beyond vape gear. In fact, I'd say that part of the reason people do choose to buy clones from China is because of the lack of skilled workers here to make enough product to satisfy the demand here. We lack skilled workers because those jobs have been going overseas for generations, and they've been going overseas because we can not compete with the wages there. Look at the living conditions in those countries. That's what corporations are telling us that our living conditions should be. I don't know why we're still protecting the profits these guys make by doing this.

 

[denali_41]

not just the made in china is junk !! there is junk made in every country in the world, good ol US of A is included too !!

 

[Barbara21]

I don't have an issue with original designs made in China but I do have issue with blatant theft of copywrite/patented designs. I own Innoken and other Chinese made mods and peripherals but I would not own a Caravela/Kick/DNA/Stingray/Kayfun/etc clones on a bet.Using someone else's designs is bad enough but using the logos is plain fraud. I currently have mods ranging from a Megalodon to a couple Hana mods, over 70 devices in all but none are clones.
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I agree that using another company's logo is fraud (intent to deceive) but copying a design falls into a hazy area for me - heck, there are only so many ways to make a battery tube.

 

[guambred]

Well my brand new Ford Explorer inspired the statement! ... I loved that Truck but my God, I spent my first four months of ownership at the Ford dealer ... and as I remember, so did my mother back in 1991 when she purchased a brand new Ford Thunderbird. The funny thing is, I remember bragging to my friend about my mom's brand new red car (kids ), and my friend is the one who said "Oh, didn't you know Ford means fix or repair daily? " He didn't lie, that T-bird was a constant headache to mom for the entire 8 years that she owned it.

My 2008 sport trac is in the shop far more often than I would like as compared to my Toyota, and I am fairly handy with a wrench.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Don't blame China.

I don't blame China. I blame those dam smug Portuguese. They are all like "Look at us, sitting on the sun drench balcony of Europe! We're awesome with awesome tans and a great view of the ocean! We created the first global empire!" Damn arrogant Portuguese. I hate them.

 

[Cloud Junky]

I have noticed here and elsewhere that one associates cheap and poor quality products with " Made In China". It's not actually true. Manufacturers in China are working with North American retailers to mass produce items according to the retailers specifications. It is the retailer who , in pursuit of exorbitant profits, want to pay the least possible per unit. Blame the retailer, not China. They are more than capable of making high quality items. "The russian" rba is proof of that. As well as many other things.

The reason behind the stats are because so many items come from China, some a great some are not so great. It is a theory overall, just because a product comes from the U.S. does not mean it is good quality and just because an item comes from China does not mean it is a bad quality item, It is the buyers choice to figure out if an item is good or bad.

 

[icemanistheking]

I agree that using another company's logo is fraud (intent to deceive) but copying a design falls into a hazy area for me - heck, there are only so many ways to make a battery tube.

I agree, and this seems to be a common pro-clone argument, but most of your clones that aren't also counterfeits are your Smoktechs, your Kamrys (K100=Sentinel clone, for example), etc. I'd wager a huge majority of the clones are counterfeits, and most of the time people are talking about owning or buying clones, they are also talking about buying counterfeits.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I agree, and this seems to be a common pro-clone argument, but most of your clones that aren't also counterfeits are your Smoktechs, your Kamrys (K100=Sentinel clone, for example), etc. I'd wager a huge majority of the clones are counterfeits, and most of the time people are talking about owning or buying clones, they are also talking about buying counterfeits.

By American cultural standards, yes. But not by Chinese cultural standards. We can argue about who's culture is in the right, but really, when debating your own culture, are you going to let someone from another culture claim their superiority over yours? I'm a mix of both of these cultures. I've seen how both think of things. I see the merits of both, and the cons of both. You aren't wrong when looking at it from here, in the US. Over there though, they aren't wrong either.

 

[horton]

I agree, and this seems to be a common pro-clone argument, but most of your clones that aren't also counterfeits are your Smoktechs, your Kamrys (K100=Sentinel clone, for example), etc. I'd wager a huge majority of the clones are counterfeits, and most of the time people are talking about owning or buying clones, they are also talking about buying counterfeits.

How will we ever be able to know for certain? That's what is confusing to me.