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VapieDan

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I have noticed here and elsewhere that one associates cheap and poor quality products with " Made In China". It's not actually true. Manufacturers in China are working with North American retailers to mass produce items according to the retailers specifications. It is the retailer who , in pursuit of exorbitant profits, want to pay the least possible per unit. Blame the retailer, not China. They are more than capable of making high quality items. "The russian" rba is proof of that. As well as many other things.

A good example of this is the Spire APV. Excellent fit and finish.
 

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I agree that using another company's logo is fraud (intent to deceive) but copying a design falls into a hazy area for me - heck, there are only so many ways to make a battery tube.

I totally disagree with this statement ... The clones manufactured in China, whether it bears a copied logo or not, are marketed, and SOLD AS CLONES by China, so there is no intent to deceive on the part of the manufacturer of these clones.

Are you speaking of US vendors who intend to deceive maybe? Because I know those exist ...

China has no reason to attempt to deceive to anyone, most especially since there is a such a high demand specifically for clones.
 

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Modern e-cigs were INVENTED by a Chinese pharmicist looking to save his own life after watching his dad die of smoking-related illness. Plus, Innokin, Smoktech, and KangerTech, to name a few, are Chinese companies that put out decent, if not good-quality vaping devices.

If you're talking about Chinese knockoffs or clones of American- or European-made devices, juice, and/or parts, you have a point that Made in China means crap. Otherwise, don't diss the legit Chinese companies.

That's not true. Please do further research. That Chinese pharmacist simply copied!
 

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please please...let us not get upset over this. cant we all agree on one point?

Antarctic-ans suck. let us unite there.


evil penguins.

I don't quite live in Antartica but I do get a fair bit of weather from there...:(.

I have taken your message to the little blue penquin colony down the road and they are considering extradition or failing that invasion.
 

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That's not true. Please do further research. That Chinese pharmacist simply copied!

The device patented by Herbert A. Gilbert (which was never manufactured) is nothing like the e-cigarette invented in China. The latter is not a copy.

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The first one is a piece of garbage make by a company so bad it managed to ruin Mercedes Benz. The second is a piece of art that holds its value like few other American made cars.
If I want cars as investments, I'll own Mopars, old Mercedes, Jaguars and Porsches. If I want a car to drive I'll own a Lexus.

Okeedokke...... If you say so...
 
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That's not true. Please do further research. That Chinese pharmacist simply copied!

Perhaps you should do a bit of research.

The first electronic cigarette patent (Note: It was never put into production, nor even had a working prototype made)

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The Ecig invented by Hon Lik.

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Sorry, but I'm not seeing anything that suggests Hon Lik copied the Gilbert design.
 

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That's not true. Please do further research. That Chinese pharmacist simply copied!

With your definition of copied, every innovation that was remotely inspired by anyone's else's work is a copy. You're essentially saying that almost every product we use is just another copy, regardless of how incomplete the original design was, or the fact that it was never made.
 

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Consumers are to blame. Most are too cheap and can't or won't save for quality products...

Or how about some consumers actually have their priorities straight, and realize that if they are going to drop hundreds of dollars on something, that their money would be better spent on something like, oh I don't know, THEIR HOME ... how about that? :blink:

I'm not saving a dime for a metal tube ... I will save up to have my hardwood floors refinished, or to have my deck rebuilt, or to replace the storm windows in my basement though. #adultpriorities :facepalm:
 

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Or how about some consumers actually have their priorities straight, and realize that if they are going to drop hundreds of dollars on something, that their money would be better spent on something like, oh I don't know, THEIR HOME ... how about that? :blink:

I'm not saving a dime for a metal tube ... I will save up to have my hardwood floors refinished, or to have my deck rebuilt, or to replace the storm windows in my basement though. #adultpriorities :facepalm:

How much did a carton of cigarettes cost? Cheaper not to vape or smoke...
 

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How much did a carton of cigarettes cost? Cheaper not to vape or smoke...

Regardless of how much a carton of cigarettes cost (and I bought them for $27 a carton at the Indian Reservation btw) I have never saved a dime so that I could buy cigarettes ... so why would I now save any money so that I can buy a mod? ... and to please who?

The same $27 that I spent on a carton of cigarettes, is the same $27 that I now spend on a battery compartment ... as well I should. And quite frankly its not about which one is cheaper for me, that is not the point. The point is that I don't have a single, solitary reason to "save up" for my vape gear.

Honestly, the fact that what anyone is paying, and/or saving for the vape gear of their choice is even a concern to you, says a lot more about you, then it says about anyone you are questioning. ... How is this even a thought in your mind? And what do you gain by even considering, and discussing it?
 

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Regardless of how much a carton of cigarettes cost (and I bought them for $27 a carton at the Indian Reservation btw) I have never saved a dime so that I could buy cigarettes ... so why would I now save any money so that I can buy a mod? ... and to please who?

The same $27 that I spent on a carton of cigarettes, is the same $27 that I now spend on a battery compartment ... as well I should. And quite frankly its not about which one is cheaper for me, that is not the point. The point is that I don't have a single, solitary reason to "save up" for my vape gear.

Honestly, the fact that what anyone is paying, and/or saving for the vape gear of their choice is even a concern to you, says a lot more about you, then it says about anyone you are questioning. ... How is this even a thought in your mind? And what do you gain by even considering, and discussing it?

My comment was in response to the original premise of the thread. China isn't to blame. Consumers drive the market. Most are too cheap or unwilling to wait to pay for quality, so will buy disposable, poorly made things.
I don't care what people buy, or don't buy or why they buy them. I do know most seem to price shop, rather than shop for quality.
Some of us don't live paycheck to paycheck, so our choice of things doesn't interfere with "adult priorities"...
 

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Given the choice ... Would you want a Chinese made artificial heart valve or an American made heart valve installed in your coronary system?
If they are manufactured to the same specifications, does it matter?

How about an electronic heart pacemaker installed in your chest ... Chinese or American pacemaker?
If they are manufactured to the same specifications, does it matter?

It doesn’t matter what the item is, a pacemaker, a Rubik’s Cube, or an RBA; items are manufactured to the specifications given by whoever is commissioning the manufacturing. If the manufacturer takes shortcuts (lead paint on toys, thin walls, skimping on solder-work, etc.) an inferior product will result. This is irrelevant to where the item is being made. It all comes down to the specifications, and sticking to (and occasionally improving) them.

The International Business Times has a great article on manufacturing in China and how it differs from in the US.
 

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Question for you folks ....

Lets say you needed to have a heart valve replaced with an artificial valve. The surgeon performs open-heart surgery and does the delicate replacement of the valve in order to save your life.

Given the choice, would you select a valve made in China, or one made in the US?

Neither, I would want one made in Germany ;)
 

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This is getting a little silly. Want to know where the Chief of Cardiology at our local yet nationally recognized magnet hospital came from? Harvard Medical School and Vanderbilt University Medical Center by way of Shanghai Medical University. He was made in China.

I think the smart play would be to get whatever part this guy says is best.
 
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