your Mom's just sorry to see you back on nicotine ... try to get down to zero if you can.
good luck
dont know who to believe :(
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your Mom's just sorry to see you back on nicotine ... try to get down to zero if you can.
good luck
It's more likely the absence of cigarettes causing increased depression, than the vaping.
Why do you keep wanting to believe the naysayers, when you have no other bad effects? It's like you're trying to give yourself permission to go back to smoking or something. And yeah, a lot of people do similar things, finding every reason in the book -- 99.99% illusions -- to justify going back to smoking. It's called rationalization, and people do it all the time to justify going back to their favorite addiction.
Do what YOU want to do. You're an adult or you wouldn't be here. You don't need anyone's permission to do what you want, whether that's smoking or vaping. The fact that you have a disorder in your brain chemistry doesn't give anyone the right to make your decisions for you.
Andria
PS: there are THOUSANDS more chemicals in cigarette smoke, than in vapor. Ask your shrink about THOSE. I bet he has no idea -- just like he has no clue about vaping. And really... you're an adult; do you not know how to tell your mom to mind her own?
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Ok I'm just going to post this ...layman's version, some meds can be affected by nicotine adversely some aren't depending and even then it's minimal to the risk smoking would cause.
Interactions of nicotine and drugs used in the treatment of mental ... - PubMed - NCBI
if anything in regards to depression it seems that nicotine would have a positive affect on the neurotransmitters increasing those helping depression.
Interactions of nicotine and drugs used in the treatment of mental ... - PubMed - NCBI
if anything in regards to depression it seems that nicotine would have a positive affect on the neurotransmitters increasing those helping depression.
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If you are under the care of a psychiatrist consider yourself lucky. To many people with mental illness don't get qualified medical care. The relationship between smoking, medications and schizophrenia has been studied carefully for years. Vaping nicotine is a fairly new phenomenon.
Basically, listen to your psychiatrist. Your doctor knows you, your condition and your meds best. Don't rely on the internet for quack medical advice.
Basically, listen to your psychiatrist. Your doctor knows you, your condition and your meds best. Don't rely on the internet for quack medical advice.
I agree. If it was anyone else, who was not already taking meds for some disorder in their brain chemistry, I'd recommend WTA, because of the MAOIs -- they help my depression a LOT. But it might not be advisable when already taking medicine that meddles with brain chemistry -- though there are MAOIs in tobacco smoke. It's their absence that seems to bring on or worsen depression, when one is used to them from years of smoking.
You might ask your shrink about that, Dally, though from his response to vaping in general, I wouldn't hold my breath for any kind of intelligent response on this either.
Andria
To me, the best advice has been "ask your pharmacist". His job is to know how drugs interact
I agree; I didn't see that one, sorry, but pharmacists do know a GREAT deal more about the drugs themselves than the doctors generally do -- doctors know which drugs have what effect, but maybe not so much about how they might interact with other substances of all kinds.
Andria
It takes a minimum of 12 years of education and training after getting a high school diploma to be a psychiatrist. You are free to choose another doctor if you like, but there aren't enough psychiatrists to go around and switching may take some time.
I could write about this subject for pages and pages.
Many people with manageable depressive tendencies (i.e. don't take meds) use Nicotine to help them get through the day. Unless folk vape large amounts of liquid (or high strength), there's a good chance they have cut down their nicotine intake.
Sadly, everyone is different and some people drop their nic only to need to take it back up. Others do just fine. Some folk vape 10ml, other only 1ml.
If you can't live without Nicotine or struggle... I guess you need to make some choices. If those choices mean vaping instead of smoking but putting up with some 'issues', I can only wish you luck.
Most doctors should understand the therapeutic benefits of Nicotine. All doctors know smoking is bad for your health. Difficult situation. Vaping would seem an excellent *possibility/alternative*.
Many people with manageable depressive tendencies (i.e. don't take meds) use Nicotine to help them get through the day. Unless folk vape large amounts of liquid (or high strength), there's a good chance they have cut down their nicotine intake.
Sadly, everyone is different and some people drop their nic only to need to take it back up. Others do just fine. Some folk vape 10ml, other only 1ml.
If you can't live without Nicotine or struggle... I guess you need to make some choices. If those choices mean vaping instead of smoking but putting up with some 'issues', I can only wish you luck.
Most doctors should understand the therapeutic benefits of Nicotine. All doctors know smoking is bad for your health. Difficult situation. Vaping would seem an excellent *possibility/alternative*.
I agree; I didn't see that one, sorry, but pharmacists do know a GREAT deal more about the drugs themselves than the doctors generally do -- doctors know which drugs have what effect, but maybe not so much about how they might interact with other substances of all kinds.
Andria
I posted it on page 2. I hope that op sees it and makes a quick trip to the pharmacy or calls them.
I would add...
Just because a Doctor has 12 years of education and training...it doesn't make him an expert in all fields of medicine....nor non-susceptible to mistakes, lapses in judgement or bias.
Hard lesson learned learned after my wife almost died after being mis-treated (in all ways) by an MD in an ER for over 8 Hrs.
As someone else said:
Ask your pharmacist.
Then get a second opinion.
Just because a person posts on an internet forum doesn't make them an expert on anything.
Just because a person posts on an internet forum doesn't make them an expert on anything.
I never claimed to be an expert. But like Andria said above Dr's know what medicines to prescirbe to treat symptoms, pharmacists know more about the pharmacology and side effects.
A psychiatrist knows a lot more about the effects of the drugs they prescribe and their interactions than a pharmacist. They also evaluate the effect of drugs prescribed by any of the patient's other doctors. Psychiatrists see their patients 20 minutes or more at a time at regular intervals as needed. They evaluate drug effects as part of this consultation and know how to read the answers and signs a patient provides. A pharmacist sees a customer in a drug store for a couple of minutes. The education and training of psychiatrists and pharmacists are on entirely different levels. There is a good reason for this. That's why doctors can prescribe drugs and pharmacists can't.
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Doctors use Statistics and information provided to recommend Drugs
Pharmacist are on at least that same information level as well as having advanced and first alert information on drug reactions.
Trust your doctor to recommend the right Drugs to treat you, but trust your pharmacist to know if there is any conflict.
Doctors use Statistics and information provided to recommend Drugs
Pharmacist are on at least that same information level as well as having advanced and first alert information on drug reactions.
Trust your doctor to recommend the right Drugs to treat you, but trust your pharmacist to know if there is any conflict.
If you were my son with schizophrenia I would be beside myself and worried about anything you put in your mouth. Mom's tend to be that way but we also have to realize our kids are growing up. Pls let her in on some of these discussions and check out the casa studies. We don't get benefits from anything we are afraid to attempt to try.
Good point. I think there's a real tendency with people who have some type of major brain chemical issue, to treat them like children, or as if they're not "all there," and that is just wrong -- just having a psychological disorder doesn't rob you of your rights, or your humanity, or your ability to make choices for yourself. I realize that one of the bad things about some types of schizophrenia is a tendency to delusional thinking, hallucinations, etc, but it sounds like the OP is on good meds and is well-controlled -- so his mom really needs to back-off, to educate herself (or BE educated!), and stop driving him crazy and possibly making his condition worse with stress. Stress isn't good for anyone at any time, and I think it can only hurt someone who already has issues.
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