I wouldn't worry if I were you. Chances are they're cutting off individual companies one by one and they may not have cut yours off yet. If you have concerns you can email the company's customer support.
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Dow chemical refusing to supply Propylene Glycol to e-cigarette industry
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I wouldn't worry if I were you. Chances are they're cutting off individual companies one by one and they may not have cut yours off yet. If you have concerns you can email the company's customer support.
Excerpt from that article. I think I will go with the disclaimer route. I want to go with the disclaimer. I need to go with the disclaimer. I want to be NICE to them.
MIDLAND, Mich. -- Michigan environmental regulators said Thursday that they reached a long-sought deal with Dow Chemical Co. to clean up to 1,400 residential properties in Midland, home of its corporate headquarters and a plant that polluted the area with dioxin for much of the past century.[
Well I've always been a fighter, old fart that I am now. but will never give up. I've always been of the mind that where there is a will there is a way. With the amount of very smart vapors involved by hook or crook we will find that way.
Has anybody queried DOW as to their reason for discontinuing to supply the e cig industry? I would tend to believe that once we find out why, there might be some course of action that the industry might be able to take to show DOW the error of their ways..
I sent a request to DOW yesterday to confirm or deny the practice and what their rationale is. If I don't get a written response I'll call them direct. Every time a company changes their practices that can affect our industry, it is our duty to confront them and find out why. They could be making decisions on ill-advised information, (scaremongers).
In all likelihood, they do business with a pharmaceutical company from whom they received a thinly-veiled threat (e.g. "We really hope you stop selling to those e-cig people, otherwise we might have to consider taking our highly lucrative contract elsewhere.")
It's called damage reduction, nothing new here. Large corporations do this on a day to day basis.
Some even hire full time lawyers to find potential problems that might arise in the future because of affiliations that company may have with a particular person, product, chemical, or otherwise outside influence that could put their reputation or company at risk or in the negative spotlight.
Do they truly believe it's harmful, no! They need to plug their behinds though, if something bad were to happen or if the general public's "viewpoint" were the shift then people might say well "such and such comapny" uses it and they claim it safe, that's not very good for them. vaping is in it's growing pain years, it's the focus of every politician in the country right now and elections are just around the corner. Uusually you'll either get supporters or absolute haters, but every single one of them has an opinion about it, no doubt about that!
JMarca you are correct,
In the industry its called, "risk management". They weigh the potential risk and how severe it could be and develop mitigation to reduce the risk. It will be interesting to see if they respond. If not I'll escalate it accordingly. I don't think they want to get into a pissing contest and CASAA might be able to assist.
In the industry its called, "risk management". They weigh the potential risk and how severe it could be and develop mitigation to reduce the risk. It will be interesting to see if they respond. If not I'll escalate it accordingly. I don't think they want to get into a pissing contest and CASAA might be able to assist.
Uh, does this mean they'll quit selling PG to pharmaceuticals for their inhalers and such?
Where do the hospitals get their pg for their misting systems?
Where do the hospitals get their pg for their misting systems? Choochogranny,
That would depend to the vetting process DOW performs on their customers. Time will tell, as this process works its way through. Subscribe to this thread and I will post regular updates.
That would depend to the vetting process DOW performs on their customers. Time will tell, as this process works its way through. Subscribe to this thread and I will post regular updates.
Shgilman, thought the FDA has already approved pg for inhalation back some time ago, but not vg nor any of the flavorings.
Found this in the internet this morning. We need to think how to respond to these statements.
E-Cigarettes and How They Work - The Dow Chemical Company
E-Cigarettes and How They Work - The Dow Chemical Company
Shgilman, thought the FDA has already approved pg for inhalation back some time ago, but not vg nor any of the flavorings.
VG is approved and has been studied extensively:
The Truth about Vegetable Glycerine |
Even the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined that VG/glycerol meets all of their own criteria to be considered completely safe for humans. Several of the largest pharmaceutical regulating organizations, as well as the pharmaceutical corporations themselves, have labeled VG as harmless.
Toxicologic evaluation of humectants added to ... [Inhal Toxicol. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI
Addition of the tested humectants to cigarettes, singly or in combination, had no meaningful effect on the site, occurrence, or severity of respiratory-tract changes or on the measured indices of pulmonary function. It was concluded that the addition of glycerin and propylene glycol to cigarettes does not significantly affect the biological activity of inhaled cigarette smoke in this rat model.
Haven't figured out what their rationale is for stopping. I'll try to find out. But it might take some time. Keep sending me studies and articles as you run across them. They might come in handy...I will be talking to Julie sometime this week. Times haven't been set yet. She's really busy. But this is one of the subject we are going to discuss.
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From the Dow statement:
Most e-cigarettes consist of the following: (Summarized from American Journal of Public Health, 2010, World Health Organization, 2013).
A cartridge that aids in attracting and absorbing water molecules from air such as propylene glycol and nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical in any form/dose and in excessive amounts can be lethal.
A tube through which the smoker inhales like cigarette smoke and the nicotine (and other substances) is absorbed into the lungs.
A battery powered heating element from which the solution is drawn, causing the vaporization of nicotine and other substances.
What?? I don't even know how to translate that (the parts in bold) into something that makes sense. Did a child write this?And then there's the extensive elaboration on the FDA's extremely flawed 2009 study. Dow obviously doesn't understand e-cigarettes enough to even discuss them. No wonder they won't sell to vapor manufacturers. They don't even seem to understand that propylene glycol is not water, from the looks of it.
From the Dow statement:
Most e-cigarettes consist of the following: (Summarized from American Journal of Public Health, 2010, World Health Organization, 2013).
A cartridge that aids in attracting and absorbing water molecules from air such as propylene glycol and nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical in any form/dose and in excessive amounts can be lethal.
A tube through which the smoker inhales like cigarette smoke and the nicotine (and other substances) is absorbed into the lungs.
A battery powered heating element from which the solution is drawn, causing the vaporization of nicotine and other substances.
And then there's the extensive elaboration on the FDA's extremely flawed 2009 study. Dow obviously doesn't understand e-cigarettes enough to even discuss them. No wonder they won't sell to vapor manufacturers. They don't even seem to understand that propylene glycol is not water, from the looks of it.
Probably written by PR, rather than scientists. Or perhaps cut/pasted from bad translations?
From the Dow statement:
Most e-cigarettes consist of the following: (Summarized from American Journal of Public Health, 2010, World Health Organization, 2013).
A cartridge that aids in attracting and absorbing water molecules from air such as propylene glycol and nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical in any form/dose and in excessive amounts can be lethal.
A tube through which the smoker inhales like cigarette smoke and the nicotine (and other substances) is absorbed into the lungs.
A battery powered heating element from which the solution is drawn, causing the vaporization of nicotine and other substances.
And then there's the extensive elaboration on the FDA's extremely flawed 2009 study. Dow obviously doesn't understand e-cigarettes enough to even discuss them. No wonder they won't sell to vapor manufacturers. They don't even seem to understand that propylene glycol is not water, from the looks of it.
Here's a wild guess. The cartridge (like in their partners' cigalikes) which 'filters' lethal nicotine are safer than clearomizers, which don't.
I think I guessed right. The 'new spin': cigalikes over clearos....
(from the legislation news forum)
http ://www.journalnow.com/business/business_news/local/big-tobacco-makers-want-fda-to-ban-vapor-e-cigs/article_77b131f5-540d-5f02-927c-733bac751529.html
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