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ok here's the thing (I didn't read the whole hting, but was struck by one issue- I may be wrong, as I said, I didn't read the hwole hting, and am not sure how the different elements were administered)-
He gave ingredients like 4-Hydroxy-2, 5-dmethyl-3(2H)-furanone (FEMA 3174, CoE 536) to rats- but the thing is that he gave them to the rats in their liquid form, not in a vaporized form, which can and does change the chemical makeup of certain elements.
We as Vaporers need to know whether these elements are safe AFTER being vaporized
Fed in a diet- not given through vaporization.
Thanks for posting htis- always good to have more info on what we're taking in
He gave ingredients like 4-Hydroxy-2, 5-dmethyl-3(2H)-furanone (FEMA 3174, CoE 536) to rats- but the thing is that he gave them to the rats in their liquid form, not in a vaporized form, which can and does change the chemical makeup of certain elements.
We as Vaporers need to know whether these elements are safe AFTER being vaporized
Fed in a diet- not given through vaporization.
Thanks for posting htis- always good to have more info on what we're taking in
Interesting reading, though I was a little puzzled by the Carbon Monoxide section where it states
I was under the impression that no devices on the market used piezoelectric vapourizers, all using the cheaper heating coil atomizers instead
I was under the impression that no devices on the market used piezoelectric vapourizers, all using the cheaper heating coil atomizers instead
pi·e·zo·e·lec·tric·i·ty
(pī-ē'zō-ĭ-lěk-trĭs'ĭ-tē, -ē'lěk-, pē-ā'zō-) Pronunciation Key
n. The generation of electricity or of electric polarity in dielectric crystals subjected to mechanical stress, or the generation of stress in such crystals subjected to an applied voltage. source: piezoelectric definition | Dictionary.com
The vaporizer we use works very similarly to the heating element of a hair straightener. Electricity passes through a ceramic medium creating mechanical "wave energy." This "wave energy" passes through the filament causing it to vibrate rapidly and generate heat. This heat is then absorbed within and projected through the ceramic element and the wire wool surrounding it, thereby heating the contents of the wire wool and the liquid around it, causing vapor to be produced.
It sounds complex, but in essence it's pretty simple and comes out to be the atomizer that we know of. This method of heating is quite energy efficient and allows for a more accurate control of heat with minimized burning.
(pī-ē'zō-ĭ-lěk-trĭs'ĭ-tē, -ē'lěk-, pē-ā'zō-) Pronunciation Key n. The generation of electricity or of electric polarity in dielectric crystals subjected to mechanical stress, or the generation of stress in such crystals subjected to an applied voltage. source: piezoelectric definition | Dictionary.com
The vaporizer we use works very similarly to the heating element of a hair straightener. Electricity passes through a ceramic medium creating mechanical "wave energy." This "wave energy" passes through the filament causing it to vibrate rapidly and generate heat. This heat is then absorbed within and projected through the ceramic element and the wire wool surrounding it, thereby heating the contents of the wire wool and the liquid around it, causing vapor to be produced.
It sounds complex, but in essence it's pretty simple and comes out to be the atomizer that we know of. This method of heating is quite energy efficient and allows for a more accurate control of heat with minimized burning.
Naz, I dont even think he tested it in the rats himself. he was referring to a study in made 1989 but i think you have a point about it being in tested in vaporized form. i read the whole paper trying to find the part about the fiber in the carts but alas no such part. he does analyse every ingredient that is a part of the vapour so perhaps it didnt register but we all know that sometimes the fibers can melt/burn or what-ever they do, so im hyper-interested as to their contents.
My guess is this is where the styrene is coming from. This report shows very low levels of styrene, but what would the levels be if the cartridge floss was melting/burning?
Wikipedia: Styrene
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yeah, perhaps you are right. but that wiki write up also mentions that in naturally occurs in some plants and other foods so it could present as a result of any one of the ingredients. that's one thing that always bothered me. what exactly is the fiber made from?
E-smoking can't get any more justified as an alternative to tobacco cigarettes than this. It's all there, even the studies cited in the germ-killing vapor thread. This report says what Naz has long wanted to say: Not only is e-smoking (a Ruyan product) safer than smoking a tobacco cigarette, but it is SAFE period! I'm sure this report was completed in time for the mid-November WHO conference on e-smoking. Ruyan will likely be the only company with any kind of serious clinical information to consider. Here's hoping ...
Came across this earlier - not sure if it's already been posted on the forum(sorry couldn't link for some reason:
Comprehensive Safety Tests Published on Ruyan(R) Smoking Alternatives
Tests Conducted in New Zealand and Canada Find Ruyan E-cigarettes Safe; Results Apply Only to Ruyan Products
Last update: 12:42 p.m. EDT Oct. 28, 2008
MINNEAPOLIS, Oct 28, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Ruyan America, Inc., announced today the publication of a report that tested the safety of its electronic smoking alternatives, specifically the nicotine cartridges that produce the smoke-like vapor that users find satisfies their desire for tobacco. The report summary states that the test results confirm that the Ruyan(R) E-cigarette is a safe alternative to smoking, very safe relative to cigarettes and safe in absolute terms on all measurements that were applied. The summary also notes that the report findings refer only and specifically to Ruyan products.
The tests were conducted by Dr. Murray Laugesen of Health New Zealand, Ltd, who also authored the report, and they were performed by seven leading government, university and commercial laboratories in New Zealand and Canada. Ruyan funded the tests and the report, but had no role in the design of the tests or any input with respect to the findings in the report. No completed tests were withheld from the report, which can be viewed in its entirety at http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf.
Alexander Chong, CEO of Ruyan America, Inc., commented, "We are pleased to have Dr. Laugesen publish these results, validating the safety of our groundbreaking products and this relatively new product category. But, as the summary states, these results apply only to Ruyan and its products."
Chong went on to note how important these tests are expected to be to distributors, retailers and consumers of the products. "Given how critical ingredients like flavorings and scents are to the overall safety profile of the product, we believe that it's very important for distributors, retailers and consumers to demand this kind of information from anyone claiming the right to market or sell similar products."
About the Products
The Ruyan V-8 E-cigarette is a sophisticated electronic device with patents granted in China and Europe and Patents Pending in the US. The device atomizes purified, liquid nicotine and produces a vapor that, when inhaled, satisfies a smoker's craving for tobacco. The vapor contains none of the harmful chemicals commonly found in traditional cigarette smoke and none of those chemicals considered poisonous or carcinogenic. When and if the vapor is expelled, it does not contain any of the harmful chemicals found in second hand smoke. Cartridges for the Ruyan E-cigarette are available in regular and menthol flavors. The Ruyan V-8 was named the most innovative new product at the 2008 Tobacco Plus Expo.
The Ruyan Vegas E-cigar comes in two varieties, the Classic, which contains 16 mg of nicotine, and the Freestyle, which is nicotine free. Both E-cigars produce a thick, flavorful vapor that satisfies a user's tobacco cravings. The Ruyan Vegas E-cigar was named the most marketable new product at the 2008 Tobacco Plus Expo.
Ruyan smoking alternatives do not produce tobacco smoke or smoke of any kind and, as such, do not violate smoking bans or restrictions. Users have successfully satisfied tobacco urges in all states and in all places where smoking is otherwise restricted.
Anyway, it seems to be an article I found on a website (marke****ch.com) directly linking the Laugesen Ruyan safety report and certainly proves another positive read and further justification for all us converts!
Comprehensive Safety Tests Published on Ruyan(R) Smoking Alternatives
Tests Conducted in New Zealand and Canada Find Ruyan E-cigarettes Safe; Results Apply Only to Ruyan Products
Last update: 12:42 p.m. EDT Oct. 28, 2008
MINNEAPOLIS, Oct 28, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Ruyan America, Inc., announced today the publication of a report that tested the safety of its electronic smoking alternatives, specifically the nicotine cartridges that produce the smoke-like vapor that users find satisfies their desire for tobacco. The report summary states that the test results confirm that the Ruyan(R) E-cigarette is a safe alternative to smoking, very safe relative to cigarettes and safe in absolute terms on all measurements that were applied. The summary also notes that the report findings refer only and specifically to Ruyan products.
The tests were conducted by Dr. Murray Laugesen of Health New Zealand, Ltd, who also authored the report, and they were performed by seven leading government, university and commercial laboratories in New Zealand and Canada. Ruyan funded the tests and the report, but had no role in the design of the tests or any input with respect to the findings in the report. No completed tests were withheld from the report, which can be viewed in its entirety at http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf.
Alexander Chong, CEO of Ruyan America, Inc., commented, "We are pleased to have Dr. Laugesen publish these results, validating the safety of our groundbreaking products and this relatively new product category. But, as the summary states, these results apply only to Ruyan and its products."
Chong went on to note how important these tests are expected to be to distributors, retailers and consumers of the products. "Given how critical ingredients like flavorings and scents are to the overall safety profile of the product, we believe that it's very important for distributors, retailers and consumers to demand this kind of information from anyone claiming the right to market or sell similar products."
About the Products
The Ruyan V-8 E-cigarette is a sophisticated electronic device with patents granted in China and Europe and Patents Pending in the US. The device atomizes purified, liquid nicotine and produces a vapor that, when inhaled, satisfies a smoker's craving for tobacco. The vapor contains none of the harmful chemicals commonly found in traditional cigarette smoke and none of those chemicals considered poisonous or carcinogenic. When and if the vapor is expelled, it does not contain any of the harmful chemicals found in second hand smoke. Cartridges for the Ruyan E-cigarette are available in regular and menthol flavors. The Ruyan V-8 was named the most innovative new product at the 2008 Tobacco Plus Expo.
The Ruyan Vegas E-cigar comes in two varieties, the Classic, which contains 16 mg of nicotine, and the Freestyle, which is nicotine free. Both E-cigars produce a thick, flavorful vapor that satisfies a user's tobacco cravings. The Ruyan Vegas E-cigar was named the most marketable new product at the 2008 Tobacco Plus Expo.
Ruyan smoking alternatives do not produce tobacco smoke or smoke of any kind and, as such, do not violate smoking bans or restrictions. Users have successfully satisfied tobacco urges in all states and in all places where smoking is otherwise restricted.
Anyway, it seems to be an article I found on a website (marke****ch.com) directly linking the Laugesen Ruyan safety report and certainly proves another positive read and further justification for all us converts!
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This is strange, every time I try and type in the link or even the name marke****ch, it seems to automatically edit part of the word with ****!
This is the reason I couldn't link to the site!! 8-o
If that's the case, (and again, I haven't read hte whole thing), then that more than satisfies as the actual ingredeints coming out in the vapor are really what we have to worry about- that, and like you said, the burning fiber.- I'll have to check the article a bit more closely to see if this is hte case- If so, like TB said, I think we can all rest assured now that it isn't hte great unknown anymore and we can relax a bit
Hmmmmmmmm- Ruyan trying to bully other competitors out of the marketplace by snuggling up with the WHO & in essence demanding other companies run expensive tests before they have the "Right" to distribute their products?
I dunno naz, i guess only if you're toking ruyan products. or if you can deduce that the exact ingredients in your carts match those from ruyan. it should be the case if everyone ripped them off properly, but then we know that chinese factories are no strangers to cutting corners.
Bingo, i would be doing it too if i just spent a wad and it must have been a wad. still they probably already made it back from selling $5 carts to folks who buy off infomercials.
you got de-railed by the forum police. ****s are a no-no. flanges, minges, dicks and rogers are a-ok.
here's the link
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I have a very basic question after the report: Are Janty cartridges made by Ruyan?
Are any other liquids or cartridges branded by anyone else made by Ruyan?
Ruyan has the patents; now Ruyan has the clinical trial. When e-smoking comes before regulators, it could be only Ruyan that gets a pass. I've not looked at Ruyan cartridge prices in the U.S., but Janty's are $1 apiece. That's extremely reasonable. If the contents are of proven safety, we know where to go.
Yes, Naz, everything in that trial applies exclusively to Ruyan. That's only fair. They paid for the seed; they profit from the harvest.
Are any other liquids or cartridges branded by anyone else made by Ruyan?
Ruyan has the patents; now Ruyan has the clinical trial. When e-smoking comes before regulators, it could be only Ruyan that gets a pass. I've not looked at Ruyan cartridge prices in the U.S., but Janty's are $1 apiece. That's extremely reasonable. If the contents are of proven safety, we know where to go.
Yes, Naz, everything in that trial applies exclusively to Ruyan. That's only fair. They paid for the seed; they profit from the harvest.
The only hting is htough that they may be biting off their noses to spite hteir faces- by strongarming smaller manufacturers out of the game by causing the WHO to demand smaller companies run expensive tests, Ruyan is basically making it harder and harder for more andm ore people to try esmoking- thus cutting out a great many potential customers. Ruyan will keep their prices high because htere won't be any real competition, and htose that can compete will also keep their prices high due to testing costs, and hte fact that there is no real incentive to lower prices because htere will be no competition.
The same hting happened in the automobile industry, and prices remained high- Several ingenious inventions came on the market which lowered costs, extended fuel etc, and a couple of folks were able to build innexpensive autos, but htey were strongarmed out of the game, and thus hte public was forced to keep paying more and more.
I dunno- just seems like Ruyan is pushing for regulations that will make it impossible for smaller companies- Pillbox just ran into a pill of crap from regulators, and now he's goign to be forced to revamp- but it's goign to get a lot harder when the giants start tryign to momopolize the industry.
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