Dr. Whelan Speaks Out - Washington Times

[Two-A-T]

What in the world is this about? It's posted under the comments on this story on the digg site...

If diggers are wondering why this item is popular, ...

<SNIP for space>

...different companies.

While this person's comments on Digg may or may not have any legitimate concerns, let it be on record that the owner of this board or any other for that matter had NOTHING to do with my support for this thread, the post which we were "Digging" or anything related! I am an activist in this arena because I USE ecigs, I HAVE been able to completely quit using tobacco products because of them and I do NOT want the FDA's (or anyone else's) FALSE, Alarmist or intentionally limited information reports to take them away from me! It's THAT simple! Do I profit in any way from ecigs? Yes... I do have a few affiliate links to a few suppliers! But, that is only because I want to support the suppliers!! I would act EXACTLY the same even if I did not have any affiliate links (notice I have posted NONE on the digg.com site and have not posted any on this forum!).

As for this forum's owner taking steps to protect income generated by this forum and/or ecig sales... ALL BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT AND OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THEIR BUSINESS IF THEY WANT TO REMAIN IN BUSINESS!! This is nothing new and it is not in any way wrong! If the owner profits from any of this, I say GOOD! He created this forum for the use of anyone and everyone. If he profits from that, there is no wrong in it! If he is protecting any suppliers he may or may not have agreements with, nothing wrong with that either so long as nothing unethical or illegal is done (which I have yet to see since joining this site)! It's called BUSINESS and you need to GET OVER IT!

If this person would like to challenge any of MY claims, my contact information is PUBLIC here in this thread (myspace, facebook. twitter) and my IM screen names are in my profile! BRING IT! Otherwise, watch your "blanket" statements that include me because they border on slanderous and could be legally actionable!

EDIT:

OH.. and as far as us "rallying" to increase the "Diggs"... this is NO different than ANY other group of people who are passionate about a cause that they support! YES we are asking others to "Digg" this article (and others too!!). You expect us to just roll over and play dead while our ecigs are taken away?? Would YOU do it if you stood to lose something you believed in (your religion maybe... or your right to vote... or your ability do ANYTHING you feel you should be able to???)?? I doubt it! So, if we, all being supporters of this cause, suggest, recommend, ask, beg anyone else to help us, THIS IS NORMAL!! Groups do it EVERY DAY!! You making such a big deal about it only makes YOU look like an idiot!

 

[Reillj]

Well said, you magnificent .......!

 

[Vocalek]

Did you know that you can give any article and/or any comment either a Digg (the green thumbs up icon) or a negative Digg (the red thumbs down icon)?

When a comment gets a few negative votes, it can be "buried". However, it might be better to respond. What do you folks think?

There are folks on here who know a lot more about Digg than I do...what helps, what doesn't.

 

[Two-A-T]

Well said, you magnificent .......!

<stepping down off stump... for now...>


Thanks.. not that you can easily tell but it kinda ...... me off!!

 

[Straykat]

You can give that post a thumbs down? heeh!

My response: "The links were put there there to share information and they tend to be places I frequent, well, quite frequently to be honest. Folks can't help if theyre enthusiastic and passionate about whats happening. They're eager to share and so am I. Please share the road."




MOLON LABE!!!

 

[Reillj]

<stepping down off stump... for now...>


Thanks.. not that you can easily tell but it kinda ...... me off!!

Understandably, the commenter joined Digg on Aug. 7 (today) and decided to lie to people. Talk about a hidden agenda...

 

[Vocalek]

OH.. and as far as us "rallying" to increase the "Diggs"... this is NO different than ANY other group of people who are passionate about a cause that they support! YES we are asking others to "Digg" this article (and others too!!). You expect us to just roll over and play dead while our ecigs are taken away?? Would YOU do it if you stood to lose something you believed in (your religion maybe... or your right to vote... or your ability do ANYTHING you feel you should be able to???)?? I doubt it! So, if we, all being supporters of this cause, suggest, recommend, ask, beg anyone else to help us, THIS IS NORMAL!! Groups do it EVERY DAY!! You making such a big deal about it only makes YOU look like an idiot!

I'll add my two cents. I do not market any product. I am a customer. Lots of people in the forum are just customers. I am passionate about this because I have been waiting 20 years for a product to come along that would replace enough nicotine for me to be able to function normally and not feel the need to light up a tobacco cigarette.

I am passionate about this issue because for me it truly is a matter of life and death. As many others have stated in here, if the product becomes totally unavailable, it is very likely that we will have to learn all over again to smoke tobacco (yuck!).

And before anyone jumps in with drivel about how I should learn to live without nicotine, I tried that. Withdrawal symptoms are supposed to last 2-4 weeks. I waited SIX MONTHS for my brain to start working again. I asked the doctor to prescribe something. There was nothing she could do. Whatever it is that I have is treatable by nicotine. I just don't want to choke up my lungs with smoke. And if my use of nicotine is not hurting you, why do you begrudge me being able to reason, remember, read, write, drive a car? Don't you find those things important?

8-o

 

[quititllc]

This article has made me so happy I could just about cry! A victory for e-cigarettes in the news media! Everyone PLEASE share this with EVERY person who has approached you saying "you know those contain antifreeze!"

I am spamming this to everyone I know on facebook.

 

[OutWest]

So refreshing to see a reasonable voice out there! Article dugg

Total diggs currently at 531

 

[Moonbeat]

While this person's comments on Digg may or may not have any legitimate concerns, let it be on record that the owner of this board or any other for that matter had NOTHING to do with my support for this thread, the post which we were "Digging" or anything related! I am an activist in this arena because I USE ecigs, I HAVE been able to completely quit using tobacco products because of them and I do NOT want the FDA's (or anyone else's) FALSE, Alarmist or intentionally limited information reports to take them away from me! It's THAT simple! Do I profit in any way from ecigs? Yes... I do have a few affiliate links to a few suppliers! But, that is only because I want to support the suppliers!! I would act EXACTLY the same even if I did not have any affiliate links (notice I have posted NONE on the digg.com site and have not posted any on this forum!).

As for this forum's owner taking steps to protect income generated by this forum and/or ecig sales... ALL BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT AND OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THEIR BUSINESS IF THEY WANT TO REMAIN IN BUSINESS!! This is nothing new and it is not in any way wrong! If the owner profits from any of this, I say GOOD! He created this forum for the use of anyone and everyone. If he profits from that, there is no wrong in it! If he is protecting any suppliers he may or may not have agreements with, nothing wrong with that either so long as nothing unethical or illegal is done (which I have yet to see since joining this site)! It's called BUSINESS and you need to GET OVER IT!

If this person would like to challenge any of MY claims, my contact information is PUBLIC here in this thread (myspace, facebook. twitter) and my IM screen names are in my profile! BRING IT! Otherwise, watch your "blanket" statements that include me because they border on slanderous and could be legally actionable!

EDIT:

OH.. and as far as us "rallying" to increase the "Diggs"... this is NO different than ANY other group of people who are passionate about a cause that they support! YES we are asking others to "Digg" this article (and others too!!). You expect us to just roll over and play dead while our ecigs are taken away?? Would YOU do it if you stood to lose something you believed in (your religion maybe... or your right to vote... or your ability do ANYTHING you feel you should be able to???)?? I doubt it! So, if we, all being supporters of this cause, suggest, recommend, ask, beg anyone else to help us, THIS IS NORMAL!! Groups do it EVERY DAY!! You making such a big deal about it only makes YOU look like an idiot!

Well Two, if anyone digs (ha ha, get it..digs, diggs?!..ok nm) up this thread from there it sure is nice to see a good reply to that post. It irratated the crap outta me when I read it.

 

[brandeeashlynn]

Maybe we could submit this article to the jugde in the SE case?

 

[DC2]

This guy HATES smokers, and this is how he reacted to the report today.

Oh no, can it be?>"DaMulta is quiting Cigarette Tobacco" - Page 17 - techPowerUp! Forums

I responded back don't know if I helped get the message 100% right or not....

Tell them you're too busy trying to save your life.
And tell that first guy that he's an ***hole.

 

[surbitonPete]

I have been waiting for a comment from tropical bob....curious to hear what he thinks.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Maybe we could submit this article to the jugde in the SE case?

Brenda--I am sure Judge Leon read it. Problem is Judge Leon is bound by the law and the only option left for him by SE and NJOY is to defer to the very agency charged with regulating these products, which is the FDA. The manufactuers really misread what they were doing or just did not care.

Sun

 

[Straykat]

If it hasn't been mentioned before, the American Council on Science and Health (ACSH / Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan) has a number of articles related to tobacco:

• A Bogus "Anti-Cigarette" Bill (New York Post)
• House Lights Up FDA Regulation (Washington Times)
• What Hurts Smokers and Helps Cigarette Companies? (Washington Times)

It may be a good idea to follow up on the ACSH website from time to time and keep an eye out for upcoming interviews/articles by Dr. Whelan (and ACSH members') on outlets like MSNC, FOX news, and CNN as seen here:

Their site is at: www acsh org
(I can't post links )




MOLON LABE!!!

 

[Caesarea]

Welcome to American Council on Science and Health

Here you go - another half dozen posts and you'll be able to post links.

Best,



C.

 

[Mister]

And before anyone jumps in with drivel about how I should learn to live without nicotine, I tried that. Withdrawal symptoms are supposed to last 2-4 weeks. I waited SIX MONTHS for my brain to start working again. I asked the doctor to prescribe something. There was nothing she could do. Whatever it is that I have is treatable by nicotine. I just don't want to choke up my lungs with smoke. And if my use of nicotine is not hurting you, why do you begrudge me being able to reason, remember, read, write, drive a car? Don't you find those things important?

I'd like to endorse this note BIG TIME.

I only found this site about 10 days ago. I haven't started vaping yet but expect my first supplies to arrive today and I'm very excited to receive them. I'm a 39 year smoker and like many others here I've tried every previous approach to quitting. My best attempt was 23 months cold turkey about five years ago. My withdrawal symptoms never lessened after the first couple of weeks. My wife and my doctor both endorsed my deliberate decision to start smoking again after 23 months.

I read hundreds of posts on this site before deciding what to purchase. THANK YOU to all the people posting here! I'm now fully aware that although many people have found it easy to quit this way some had to work at it. I'm prepared to work at it if necessary. I do believe from the wonderful information in the many helpful posts on these forums that I'll be permanently quitting smoking today. And that's something I'd previously given up thinking was even possible.

Regarding your post Volacek, one of the things I came across during my voracious recent reading was in a 2007 report from the Royal College of Physicians in the UK (my attempts to post a URL have failed due to being a newbie here, hopefully the following info is enough to provide a search result to the report): rcplondon.ac.uk bbc2aedc-87f7-4117-9ada-d7cdb21d9291.pdf.

A quote from section 4.7 of that report (other parts of the report reinforce this conclusion): "Some smokers may never fully overcome their addiction, or even ever be able to quit all nicotine use."
Reading that report marked the first time I haven't felt like a failure because of my inability to quite smoking.

BTW, I joined digg.com as DocDraco. A big thanks to TrueSmoker there for identifying "herlittlepwny". I'm new here but I'm not new to online forums and I can sometimes smell a rat. Thanks for identifying the rodent there!

 

[DuneBuggy]

Actually, I wasnt surprised that a right leaning paper published it.
Must be the whole "logic and reason" thing versus snap judgement based off emotion.
So it is a ideological issue to some extent IMO.
I would expect a paper like the NY Times to carry water for the goverment.Especially considering all of "their people" are calling all the shots.
I must say that I was pleasantly surprised that the "All things considered" on NPR was as balanced as it was concerning E Cigs. Too bad no one listens to Govt funded radio much....

Not to dash cold water... it is a good article, but my heart sank when I saw who wrote it. We can hope most people won't notice, though.

ACSH is all about funding, via petrochemicals and Big Pharma. Whelan has lobbied extensively on behalf of chemical companies. And the Washington Times, aka the Moonie Times, has a lousy reputation and leans so far to the right it's falling over. The tobacco industry is no fan of hers; this is because she has insisted that many cancers probably caused by environmental chemical exposure are, in her view, caused by tobacco use.

This begins to look like a left/right fight, when it should not be, when in fact there are many "nanny state" righties (think Orrin Hatch). I'm about as lefty as it gets and ACSH's and Whelan's reputation will likely be brought up in any discussions of this. Sorry... flame on. I'm glad to see the article, just not the byline and its considerable baggage.

 

[Tugger]

This is NOT a government versus the people issue. The FDA listens to what the medical community tells them. The medical community has taken a fundamentalist approach to the tobacco issue for a long time, and the government is merely taking their lead. If the medical community acknowledges the public health benefits of e-cigarettes, the FDA will follow their lead.

All this talk of Obama and the democrats being responsible for this is absurd, they listen to the best advice of the medical community and take their cues, just as the republicans often do when they are in charge. We don't want politicians to create public health policy based on their own emotions, and they generally don't. The medical/public health community are the ones we need to convince.

 

[tannerk]

What in the world is this about? It's posted under the comments on this story on the digg site...

....If diggers are wondering why this item is popular, you should know that there is a concerted effort by e-cig forum members to digg this story so it gets publicity....

....Consequently a lot of the old forum members who built that place up and made it what it was have left, disgusted. you will find them hanging out now at vapersforum.com....

Guys, please see it for what it is. What would you do as a party interested in driving traffic to vapersforum?

Enough said.