E-Cig safety confirmed by Medical Study!

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I think they measured puffs of vapour with a volume of 35 and 50ml, not the amount of eliquid used. That's the volume of vapour you would draw into your mouth per puff before inhaling.
Ah, I think youre right. Good deduction!

I did some googling as a result of your post and found that volume of measure of the puff size is indeed done and 35 ml does appear to be a common standard used. how are puffs measured 35ml - Google Search=
 
It is a pity that no test for exhaled nicotine was done. A figure of 98% not exhaled is quoted for smoking and they suggest would be similar for vaping. Certainly there would be less release of nicotine into the air from the device itself than from a cigarette. That's an important pont.
 

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Great find - this is good news...but it is also tinged with some trepidation....I'm not going to rain on the parade, but this is still a New Zeland Health study.....what happened to the "credibility" of the last New Zeland study?

If my crystal ball weren't broken, I'd say that the issues the FDA had with the original NZH study will come to haunt us.

i've found the US authorities do no recognize studies done in other countries
this is true for medical and natural health alternative product claims and like to be true for everything else too

imo, an official study in the US is what needs to be done before anything will be considered
 

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The important point to take away (and quote) is:

The toxicants are at levels below those deemed acceptable by the US Public Health Service and OSHA.

Yeah, but they're part of the government, too.
I remember when former surgeon general blatantly declared that second hand smoke was just as toxic as smoking itself, and that no level was safe. The American Lung Association asked, "HUH?! Where'd he get THAT data?!" The SG didn't show any sources for this claim and resigned.

However, the time period between the fictional claim was enough for multiple states to pass, "Clean air," laws that booted smokers out of bars, resturants, and other venues.

OSHA recently claims that CO2 is a pollutant. We mammals had better all hold our breath, I guess.

Of course, CO2-loving plants and trees might have an issue with this.
(The biggest producer of CO2 is the oceans, BTW)
 
Yeah, but they're part of the government, too.
I remember when former surgeon general blatantly declared that second hand smoke was just as toxic as smoking itself, and that no level was safe. The American Lung Association asked, "HUH?! Where'd he get THAT data?!" The SG didn't show any sources for this claim and resigned.

However, the time period between the fictional claim was enough for multiple states to pass, "Clean air," laws that booted smokers out of bars, resturants, and other venues.

OSHA recently claims that CO2 is a pollutant. We mammals had better all hold our breath, I guess.

Of course, CO2-loving plants and trees might have an issue with this.
(The biggest producer of CO2 is the oceans, BTW)

That's another debate! I think CO2 is part of a natural cycle. Good way to raise taxes though ;)
 
I think they measured puffs of vapour with a volume of 35 and 50ml, not the amount of eliquid used. That's the volume of vapour you would draw into your mouth per puff before inhaling.

Aww, just leave it to Kate to find the pertinent info! Now it makes sense!

Thanks Kate!



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NZ heath has a really crappy looking website. It looks phony...someone needs to hook them up for free so the links look more credible. lol

The report doesn't read well either. Some poor logic in places. And just a bit like a commercial.

First paragraph on p11 discusses why a short puff did not produce as much nicotine (or PG) as one would expect when compared to a longer puff. The reason of course is that the cil needs time to heat up. But they don't seem to realise this and theorise some other things.

If I could copy and paste from the pdf I'd give some more examples. Let's just hope that the figures are more or less correct.
 
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That's another debate! I think CO2 is part of a natural cycle. Good way to raise taxes though ;)

The issue isn't simply CO2 in the atmosphere it's the concentration. The problem is that the carbon we're talking about when discussing climate change is carbon that had been sequestered deep in the earth in the form of oil and coal. This carbon which had been removed from the natural cycle is now being returned with some very real consequnces.

It took the earth a few billion years to develope an atmostphere that could support animial life much of that by sequestering excess carbon.

We've spent the last 100 years or so hitting the environment with a double whammy deforestation and oceanic polution reducing the amount of plant life able to remove carbon from the atmosphere combined with the further release of formerly sequestered carbon by combusting fossil fuels.

Unfortunantly we've probably already passed the tipping point especially considering the complete lack of political will to take the issue seriously aggravated by psudoscientific nonsense of the deniers.

We lost 38 years thanks to the shortsightedness of Reagan Bush Clinton and Bush again.

There is a consensus on the problem the only questions at this point is the timeframe, intensity and whether we can do anything to address it.

On the subject of the post while this study might not be sufficient to satisfy the FDA it could still be used to influence legislators to write special provisions into the legislation that would prevent the FDA from taking action to ban the device or treat it as a NRT. Hopefully the ECA is getting this information to it's lobbyists.
 

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Well... I attended a meeting of Obama people last night. (Y'know, this being Chicago and stuff.) There was a guy who is in touch with lobbyists from DC talking. I button-holed him and told him about a lot of folks being ...... at the FDA for their rash actions concerning this issue. I had to show him the offending E-cig and 'splane' it to him. He liked it and said he would pass the gripe along.
Of course I educated him on the merits of the Air-car too. (Another pet project.) That's the car that runs on compressed-air.

Zero Pollution Motors - Air Car :thumb:

They all talk about lowering our dependency on foreign oil, yet nobody is talking about these. :confused:
 

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Keep in mind the FDA will turn a blind eye to these studies. They (the gov't), does not want millions of people to stop smoking or drinking. Can you imagine the loss of revenue? They just want to stop this potential threat. If they made e-cigs legal, then they will need to figure out how to tax them like cigarettes to maintain their revenue.
 

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Keep in mind the FDA will turn a blind eye to these studies. They (the gov't), does not want millions of people to stop smoking or drinking. Can you imagine the loss of revenue? They just want to stop this potential threat. If they made e-cigs legal, then they will need to figure out how to tax them like cigarettes to maintain their revenue.

Having a Tax on e-cigarette is the only way that the Gov will allow e-cigs to be !!!!!!

I am worried about evil :evil: Phillip Morris.


But Good Read...I hope we can have a least 2 or 3 more studies like that.
 

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Of course I educated him on the merits of the Air-car too. (Another pet project.) That's the car that runs on compressed-air.

Zero Pollution Motors - Air Car :thumb:

They all talk about lowering our dependency on foreign oil, yet nobody is talking about these. :confused:

Have they gotten these from prototype to manufacturing yet? I remember seeing some special on Discovery on these a year or 2 ago. I never thought I'd see one past that - thought it was only a concept.
 
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