E-Cig special on CSPAN tonight
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All the pols just catering and feeding at the trough of Big tobacco and Big Food. "Facts" and information are arbitrary. ...... into a fan is more productive.
In Switzerland you can:
- Smoke
- Smoke pot (personal use)
- Have sex with 16 years girls
- Clean your dirty money
You can't:
- Buy e-liquid with Nicotine
Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating, because if any slightest concerns about the safety of any ingredient in the liquid, it is about the various flavorings, and absolutely none about the nicotine.
In Switzerland you can't:
- Buy e-liquid with Nicotine
Can you buy nicotine in the USA and have it shipped to you? If so, then you could DIY! Lots and lots of recipes on this site.
Hi Susan, thanks for concern, I order it from germany (closer) without problems
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What I'm talking about is that they are completely linear in their thinking. They will not allow anything outside the box to deter them from their agenda.
I was wondering yesterday what their understanding / reasoning is for 3000 kids (a day) starting to smoke? Can't be advertising. So if not that, then what would it be (to them)?
Why don't you google that Jman? Good idea. According to ALA, here are those reasons:
So, still claiming advertising, even though it is as forbidden as it has ever been. And as one who smokes now, I would say I rarely, if ever see an ad for smoking nowadays. Kinda barely remember when advertising was plentiful for smoking, but doesn't seem like it was anytime in this millennium.
Parents are smokers - would still make sense, yet given huge rates of decline (over past 30 years), it obviously can't be mostly attributed to that.
Peer pressure, IMO, is stated incorrectly. IMO, it works similar to how it works for adults. You see / know someone that is popular / successful doing it, and are curious to try it yourself. Then combination of "not so bad/kinda like it" and very mild encouragement from friends (that do) would be extent of that pressure. I don't ever recall being overtly pressured, or encouraged, by a peer to do anything that I never previously did or wanted to try. At same time, I think version of peer pressure I'm conveying is highly prevalent. And works for so many things (many of which are societal norms).
Smoking as way of rebelling - makes sense on its own, but not in context of anti-advertising messages (prevalent in past 20 years). Other than to thumb one's nose at the anti message and discover truth for themselves. Realize they (ANTZ) have been over hyping negatives and that it isn't as bad as they say.
Thinking everyone else is smoking - doesn't make sense on surface (as not everyone else is smoking), but does relate to point I made about (actual) peer pressure, where many who are successful / popular are doing things, and therefore "so should I," or at least try it to say I have, and to discover truth for own self.
Anyway, they are still using the "advertising targets teenagers" notion with regards to smoking, and yet I think that ship sailed a long time ago (decades ago). On ALA site, they note 2006 research and fact that many smokers (in the past) were targeted. Hence, my point that nothing current could really be the culprit and yet, it still makes the list. Find me an ad in past 3 years advertising smoking in America. I'm going to claim it doesn't exist or is for sure not in an area that is targeting minors.
I guess, I bring all this up because it definitely relates to the eCig marketing tangent. And lends support to the idea that they are simply making the claim up as google search on "cigarette advertisement" will bring up a whole lot of anti propaganda and as I said, zero on any current advertisements.
IMO, it makes for good counterpoint to their assertions. If 3000+ kids a day are starting to smoke, and there are zero ads around (showing someone smoking a particular brand), then advertising is clearly not the reason why people start.
Why don't you google that Jman? Good idea. According to ALA, here are those reasons:
So, still claiming advertising, even though it is as forbidden as it has ever been. And as one who smokes now, I would say I rarely, if ever see an ad for smoking nowadays. Kinda barely remember when advertising was plentiful for smoking, but doesn't seem like it was anytime in this millennium.
Parents are smokers - would still make sense, yet given huge rates of decline (over past 30 years), it obviously can't be mostly attributed to that.
Peer pressure, IMO, is stated incorrectly. IMO, it works similar to how it works for adults. You see / know someone that is popular / successful doing it, and are curious to try it yourself. Then combination of "not so bad/kinda like it" and very mild encouragement from friends (that do) would be extent of that pressure. I don't ever recall being overtly pressured, or encouraged, by a peer to do anything that I never previously did or wanted to try. At same time, I think version of peer pressure I'm conveying is highly prevalent. And works for so many things (many of which are societal norms).
Smoking as way of rebelling - makes sense on its own, but not in context of anti-advertising messages (prevalent in past 20 years). Other than to thumb one's nose at the anti message and discover truth for themselves. Realize they (ANTZ) have been over hyping negatives and that it isn't as bad as they say.
Thinking everyone else is smoking - doesn't make sense on surface (as not everyone else is smoking), but does relate to point I made about (actual) peer pressure, where many who are successful / popular are doing things, and therefore "so should I," or at least try it to say I have, and to discover truth for own self.
Anyway, they are still using the "advertising targets teenagers" notion with regards to smoking, and yet I think that ship sailed a long time ago (decades ago). On ALA site, they note 2006 research and fact that many smokers (in the past) were targeted. Hence, my point that nothing current could really be the culprit and yet, it still makes the list. Find me an ad in past 3 years advertising smoking in America. I'm going to claim it doesn't exist or is for sure not in an area that is targeting minors.
I guess, I bring all this up because it definitely relates to the eCig marketing tangent. And lends support to the idea that they are simply making the claim up as google search on "cigarette advertisement" will bring up a whole lot of anti propaganda and as I said, zero on any current advertisements.
IMO, it makes for good counterpoint to their assertions. If 3000+ kids a day are starting to smoke, and there are zero ads around (showing someone smoking a particular brand), then advertising is clearly not the reason why people start.
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Flavors are marketed to children..... hmmmmm. Who do they market flavored vodka too? Flavored cigars? Flavored condoms? Oh yeah.... those are already making them money. Nevermind.... Vape on! 
And then there is Schnapps? I've seen peppermint, grape, butterscotch and others. Is that marketed towards kids? Anyone that doesn't like flavors must not have taste buds.
I started smoking at 19 because my parents never smoked and abhorred it, I was rebellious, nicotine used to give me a high (at least the first one of the day did), and because Sonny Crockett on Miami Vice (Don Johnson) smoked unfiltered Lucky Strike's and made it look so damn cool on TV!
Been vaping for 3 weeks without analogs and am starting to get my taste buddies back!
A friend asked me about vaping for her cousin (16 years old next month). She said that he wanted to get one of the "vape pens" that they sell at the mall here now for him. My advice was that she shouldn't just get one for him, but that if he already smoked cigarettes and wanted to quit he and his mom could talk about it. But most importantly, I said, you can't tell him no.. because then he'll have one a week later.
It's amazing how the media latches onto subjects and won't let them go to the point that they begin to inspire people sitting at home watching story after story on them. Shootings, bullying, e cigs. How many kids under 18 would even know about e cigs if they weren't on every news broadcast, in commercials for what's coming up later in the news, articles in magazines and on and on? The media perpetuates what it pretends to want to "stop" It's disgusting.. Beyond all of that kids are gonna do what they're gonna do.. Not selling to those under 18 hasn't stopped middle and high school aged kids from getting cigarettes what's to make anyone think it will stop them obtaining vape gear? Making certain things illegal have probably made them more readily available, and most definitely more attractive to those looking to rebel, what would be different about vaping and it's flavors?
Stupid media and the government that uses them.
I think their argument is that e-cig companies are trying to get children hooked on nicotine by using advertising.
They're claiming the e-cig companies are no better than the tobacco companies of the past.
They're on their high horse by claiming that outlawing tobacco ads, that glorify smoking, is one of the main reasons smoking tobacco has decreased. There is some truth to that but I think it's a combination of things such as better science showing the real harm that smoking causes and a general trend toward healthier lifestyles.
The difference is, the way I see it, e-cigs are much less harmful than combustible tobacco so it's unfair to compare the two.
Been vaping for 3 weeks without analogs and am starting to get my taste buddies back!
Mine have been back for awhile now. I find that I don't need highly spiced foods now in order to taste them. Plus my juice actually has flavor now.
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If you Google "Congressional hearings on e-cigs" you will find videos and articles, most of which are highly biased against e-cigs.
Edit: here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PALpDeWUe84
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Honestly I think it's the anti-tobacco ads. I wouldn't even think about smoking if I didn't see an ad everyday.
They won't want to admit it but the kids are likely going. If 'the man' don't want me to do it there must be something to it.
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