E cigarette flavoring and heart disease

[gpjoe]

Just saw this - not sure if it has already been posted:

Study suggests e-cigarette flavorings may pose heart risk

Article reports that laboratory tests on "cells that normally line healthy human blood vessels" using six different e cigarette flavorings concluded that "vaping and some flavorings, even without nicotine, triggered blood vessel dysfunction that can increase the risk of heart disease..."

Apparently they found that cinnamon and menthol flavors were the "most toxic".

 

[sonicbomb]

A BBC documentary I saw (I cannot remember the name) indicated that some epithelial cell damage was noted specifically with menthol flavorings. I'm not a scientist or a doctor and I have no access to the research data that may or may not have resulted in this article. I think it is quite possible that certain flavorings do cause some cell damage.
However, vaping should be considered as a harm reduction method, not harm-free. If an increase in the risk of heart disease is the price to pay compared to the unholy rain of health risks associated with smoking, then so be it.

 

[B2L]

Dr Farsalinos to the rescue, from his article...

“Both these conclusions are simply wrong and constitute epidemiological malpractice and misinformation.”

E-cigarette use increases the risk of stroke and heart attack: conclusions that constitute epidemiological malpractice

 

[sonicbomb]

Thank you sir

 

[stratus.vaping]

Likely another tobacco industry funded transparent falsification, thanks for the Farsalinos link - the Drs name is rather apt I think.

 

[B2L]

After having some coffee it seems the article I linked was in response to a different study (which I believe doesn’t really change the conclusion), here’s another more pertinent (to this particular “study”) article...

Evaluation of the cytotoxic potential of e-cigarette vapor on cultured cardiac cells: a new study

 

[stratus.vaping]

Many thanks, very useful.

 

[Coyote628]

Vaping is the bane of.......the tobacco industry. Or so they want us to think. I actually doubt vaping has made that much of a dent in their profits worldwide. But you can be sure that somebody high up in BT wants to make sure it doesnt.

 

[B2L]

Vaping is the bane of.......the tobacco industry. Or so they want us to think. I actually doubt vaping has made that much of a dent in their profits worldwide. But you can be sure that somebody high up in BT wants to make sure it doesnt.

The vaping market is estimated here at $22.6 billion and growing...

Vaping - the rise in five charts

I know that not 100% of users are former smokers but am willing to bet that a sizable chunk of those dollars were formerly spent on cigarettes. I don’t know about where you are from but around here $22.6 billion is nothing to sneeze at.

The tobacco industry, and the governments who rely on those taxes and MSA payments not to mention big pharma and their nicotine replacement products, are scared and rightfully so.

 

[Coyote628]

Well, it IS tobacco planting season here in Kentucky and tobacco IS being planted. Indications that tobacco isnt going away any time soon. And until nicotine is successfully extracted from other nicotine containing plants or a cheaper method of making nicotine in the lab becomes available, i guess we all need tobacco to be grown.

 

[Coyote628]

And another thought on flavors. I dont see the fruit flavored cigars, which are still quite popular with the younger crowd, going away yet. Tell me again how flavored vape is being targeted to kids.

 

[B2L]

Well, it IS tobacco planting season here in Kentucky and tobacco IS being planted. Indications that tobacco isnt going away any time soon. And until nicotine is successfully extracted from other nicotine containing plants or a cheaper method of making nicotine in the lab becomes available, i guess we all need tobacco to be grown.

If you meant tobacco farmers when you said tobacco industry, yeah they will be just fine.

 

[B2L]

And another thought on flavors. I dont see the fruit flavored cigars, which are still quite popular with the younger crowd, going away yet. Tell me again how flavored vape is being targeted to kids.

Gotta have flavored cigars to go with your flavored vodka

 

[vapdivrr]

I know alot of these studies are bogus , but inhaling vapor has to do something to your lungs, I mean there's no way it can be 100 percent safe. Granted it's way way way safer then smoking, but there has to be some negative effects.....whether there's truth to this particular study, I have no clue, but if and when there is positive proof of something negative vapor is doing to us, I surely wont be surprised.

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[B2L]

I know alot of these studies are bogus , but inhaling vapor has to do something to your lungs, I mean there's no way it can be 100 percent safe. Granted it's way way way safer then smoking, but there has to be some negative effects.....whether there's truth to this particular study, I have no clue, but if and when there is positive proof of something negative vapor is doing to us, I surely wont be surprised.

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True, but neither is leaving your house, driving, taking mass transportation etc, etc, etc. Life is a terminal condition. I don’t have any doubts that there is some effect but I also don’t have any doubt that it is exponentially safer than smoking.

 

[Eskie]

Without access to the actual article including materials and methods to know just what they did, any conclusions are merely speculation. Hardly new when medical news is published based on a quick review and maybe a quote from the medical article's authors, but may or may not be accurate. I'd wait for the opportunity to read the original article before drawing any conclusions or begin comparing it to any work already published that may or may not be pertinent to the supposed conclusions.

 

[kross8]

Without access to the actual article including materials and methods to know just what they did, any conclusions are merely speculation. Hardly new when medical news is published based on a quick review and maybe a quote from the medical article's authors, but may or may not be accurate. I'd wait for the opportunity to read the original article before drawing any conclusions or begin comparing it to any work already published that may or may not be pertinent to the supposed conclusions.

I take all of these "studies" with less than a grain of salt because I want all of the data included in the article using modern gear/flavors. Until then.. It's just some 23 year old journalists trying to make rent selling shock &awe propaganda

Ps I don't ever blame big tobacco for these articles..they want INTO the vape industry..no reason for them to shoot themselves in the foot

 

[kross8]

Shock &awe news stories are no different than any national inquire type media...the story doesn't have to be true because the whole game plan is to generate enough eyeballs to hit the page in order to sell advertising. You the reader are the product.

 

[gpjoe]

I know alot of these studies are bogus , but inhaling vapor has to do something to your lungs, I mean there's no way it can be 100 percent safe. Granted it's way way way safer then smoking, but there has to be some negative effects.....whether there's truth to this particular study, I have no clue, but if and when there is positive proof of something negative vapor is doing to us, I surely wont be surprised.

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Pretty sure that most here will agree that the best thing for your lungs is just breathing. Inhaling anything other than ambient air can be detrimental, though e cigarette vapor still feels far less harmful than smoking.

 

[kross8]

Fwiw I have had 3 lung tests and x-ray. When I came out squeeky clean on the first one I was sent to another facility as we believed the first one had faulty equipment.. I came out squeeky clean there too..so as my practice I did another set 2 years later with another doctor..about 6 weeks ago) Squeeky clean again..he thinks I'm lying about my history 2 packs a day 35 years. Now I vape a lot.. At the gym 4-5 times a week.. Walk 3-6-9 miles per day and try to squeeze in 5 miles on my bicycle