Not only that, but the $22.6 billion spent on vaping is likely a substitute for several times that amount not spent on traditional tobacco products. Lets's face it, once someone gets settled in with it, vaping costs less than smoking. If one can avoid shinyitis and does DIY, the costs are so low as to be practically negligible -- at least one, and possibly closer to two orders of magnitude lower than buying cigs.
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No doubt tons safer, but the analogy of leaving your house and all that I disagree with. You can say that to every bad habit in the world. You cant or shouldn't eat everything in site because you can easily die from breaking normal air or getting hit by a truck. You shouldn't excessively drink because you can easily die from mass transit......I personally dont think like that, I at least try and do things as safe as possible.
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Same here....when I started vaping 8 years ago I couldnt breath in the morning, I wheezed and coughed and when I got sick, forget about it. It took weeks for my chest to clear up. My last xray was clear and the doctor said he would of never known I smoked 1.5 pad for 30 years
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Cinnamon and Menthol were the flavors that CBS named in their report about ecig harm. We've all known about those being detrimental to health for a while now. I understand that vaping isn't as healthy as not vaping, but for me it's a benign activity compared to my old smoking habit. Vaping for me is a form of substitute satisfaction that took me off the smokes and removed my desire to smoke. That's a good thing.
I liken vaping vs smoking as being a winner. I don't walk around often in the downtown area of town and don't get the bus fume pollution that affects those who spend 8 hours a day in that environment. Living in the suburbs can be healthier than living in a high vehicle exhaust area. I live about 10 miles South of Ga Power's plant Scherer. Years ago when they burned coal to generate power I could sometimes see tiny black dots on my vehicle. They've since switched years ago to natural gas for the boilers that generate steam and the emissions are well within the EPA accepted levels.
Vaping is still the safest way to enjoy nicotine without going the Nicorette route.
I liken vaping vs smoking as being a winner. I don't walk around often in the downtown area of town and don't get the bus fume pollution that affects those who spend 8 hours a day in that environment. Living in the suburbs can be healthier than living in a high vehicle exhaust area. I live about 10 miles South of Ga Power's plant Scherer. Years ago when they burned coal to generate power I could sometimes see tiny black dots on my vehicle. They've since switched years ago to natural gas for the boilers that generate steam and the emissions are well within the EPA accepted levels.
Vaping is still the safest way to enjoy nicotine without going the Nicorette route.
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I'm suspicious that we may actually be healing our lungs rather than "less harming"
I never had a cough or wheezing or anything.. My husband had all of that, he quit smoking finally this January and now he is sooooo much better. He has an inhaler that barely gets used now.
I recalled Oliver mentioning those two flavors as being possibly harmful years ago, he avoided them himself. Did a search and it was from a thread after a BBC show. Some quotes.
@Oliver
"I'm personally more concerned about cinnamon and menthol than I am about diacetyl. "
"Menthol itself. It's probably not a good idea long term, despite being one of the pharmacopoeia's safe inhalants. I found it didn't react well with me personally, so have been following the studies.
On cinnamon - it's cinnamaldehyde that's the specific troublesome ingredient. "
More detail in the thread (it's quite long but informative).
E-Cigarettes, Miracle or Menace? BBC Horizon...
Bottom line from @Robino1
"Life is a risk.
I chose to live my life in a way that makes me happy.
Damn those who want to regulate how I live my life when it does not IMPACT anyone, other than myself, negatively."
It really is amazing! I was just hoping to quit smokes and not get worse, I never thought I would actually heal.....now my wife hasn't seen as much of a turnaround, so perhaps it's an individual thing or she's a little slower in recovering
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Taken from the above link by Dr Farsalinos...
''Characteristically, even the worst performing e-liquids in our study (produced by using tobacco leaves to extract flavor) were 3 times less harmful compared to cigarette smoke.''
Can anybody supply the link to that study by Dr Farsalinos? I can't find it. Thanks in advance.
I certainly didn’t mean to imply that you/we/anyone should not take into account the consequences of our actions. Life is a series of calculated risks, do your research, weigh the risk vs reward and go with whatever amount of risk you are comfortable with. My only point was that the only way to be truly 100% safe is... well, there is no way to be 100% safe.
Real news ---->>>>vaping is winning and there are so many new pod system available that are better And cheaper than what big tobacco offers.
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What's funny for me. I actually tried vaping just so I could say it didn't work..yeah I loved my cigs...always lead me to deep thought or concentration. Granted the 1st mod set up only lasted me 1 day so the next day I had to find something with more horsepower lol...kangertech something...after a few days I was like "holy crap,this might actually work" 24mg and making myself chain vape to stick with it. I am so glad! Money saved ... Health improvements. And no bad smelling clothes/car.
If a person can afford a simple regulated mod and tank that can take drop in coils they can easily grow from there wasting very little money and experiment with the dif settings
Thanks yeah there's a link there about NET juices but it wouldn't appear to be the one the good Doctor was referring to.
Nicotine Levels and Presence of Selected Tobacco-Derived Toxins in Tobacco Flavoured Electronic Cigarette Refill Liquids
BP is more powerful, with roughly half a trillion dollars in sales in the US, making it about five times as big as BT. Moreover, BP doesn't have the reputation of "pure evil" that BT does in the general public's eyes, so politicians are less averse to interacting with a BP lobbyist than one from BT.
However, the impact that a switch to vaping has on BP is much harder to judge. We can count the number of vapers who used to be smokers, multiply that by the average of 1 pack a day, and come up with a pretty decent estimate of how much revenue BT is missing due to vaping. It's far more difficult (perhaps bordering on impossible) to count the number of people who've avoided tobacco-related illnesses by switching to vaping in order to estimate how much revenue BP might be missing out on.
If vaping continues to grow and doesn’t stagnant the impact on BP will be significant. Not just from loss of smoking cessation products but loss of other drugs as well. Blood pressure, respiratory, cardiovascular, cancer treatments will also have to be added to the equation. Hospital and rehab services will be affected eventually too. Of course those numbers will be somewhat dependant on the long term effects of vaping should they arise. More difficult to measure but the effect will be noticable on the bottom line.
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