e-cigs hysteria now hitting Ontario, Canada

[bombastinator]

Weird little USA/Canada factoid set.

this is stuff I don’t pay a lot of attention to normally. I don’t know what level this info matters to or is known to Canadians, but I though it was interesting so I thought I’d post it.

 

[iVapeDIY]

You know, you'd think you would be bolding the part where it says that this is CAUSED BY THC PRODUCTS, rather than what you did, that furthers the lie that this is from nicotine-vaping. Strange.

To date, 15%-20% cannot be explained by THC, CBD or synthetic CBD/THC. Even if half of the 15%-20% lied, the remining 8%-10% are troubling. I suspect a large portion of the nicotine-only VAPI cases are severe allergic reactions to sodium benzoate, preservative used for extended shelf life of nic salts in cartridges. IMHO, best to avoid pre-filled pods and cartridges.

And I am willing to bet many of us started smoking as a teen.

Not telling Btw, Happy Thanksgiving to all canucks!
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[Punk In Drublic]

To date, 15%-20% cannot be explained by THC, CBD or synthetic CBD/THC. Even if half of the 15%-20% lied, the remining 8%-10% are troubling. I suspect a large portion of the nicotine-only VAPI cases are severe allergic reactions to sodium benzoate, preservative used for extended shelf life of nic salts in cartridges. IMHO, best to avoid pre-filled pods and cartridges.

Not telling Btw, Happy Thanksgiving to all canucks!
If you guys have deeper discount codes, please post

The probability of up to 20% (out of the 1000+ cases) nicotine only users getting sick at the same time, across the US, from just vaping typical e-juice is near impossible. In fact, I would say it is impossible. Something triggered the illness. Either the patients are lying, the CDC hasn’t got a damn clue and is not giving us the full details, or a bit of both.

The majority of Canadian vape retailers will be having a holiday sale. The above graphic is from Dashvapes. Eligible items are - ejuice, DIY flavours and bases and some accessories like drop in coils for sub tanks. Rarely is hardware eligible.

 

[AttyPops]

I had to look it up.
Canadian Thanksgiving: 6 reasons why it's different from the US holiday. - CNN

 

[bombastinator]

To date, 15%-20% cannot be explained by THC, CBD or synthetic CBD/THC. Even if half of the 15%-20% lied, the remining 8%-10% are troubling. I suspect a large portion of the nicotine-only VAPI cases are severe allergic reactions to sodium benzoate, preservative used for extended shelf life of nic salts in cartridges. IMHO, best to avoid pre-filled pods and cartridges.

Not telling Btw, Happy Thanksgiving to all canucks!
If you guys have deeper discount codes, please post

What is the error factor on that 8-10% though? Sometimes people just get sick. Sometimes they get sick from other things. “Linked” is a vague term. Coincidence is not causality. I’m not saying you’re necessarily totally wrong, but attempting to lump the two groups together was clearly stupid. They are different markets for different materials. They have different levels of oversight and they use different ingredients. The ONLY thing they have in common is the devices used are very similar. Not more than very occasionally identical. Just very similar. That’s all, and the devices therefore could only even be considered in instances where they were sufficiently similar in the first place.

There are a few places to look for device based issues. Silica wicks and lack of temperature control both come to mind, but they are doubtful. The fact remains that the relative percentages are vastly different. There I don’t know how many times more people who use open system nic vapes than people who use THC stuff. 10 times more? Probably a lot more than that since the estimate of users is 22 million. That assumes 2.2million users of black market unregulated THC vapes. The number of victims meanwhile for that group is ten times SMALLER. 1/10th of 1/10th is 1/100th. 1% on the small end. On the big end let’s call it 20% of victims never had contact with THC vapes instead of the somewhere between 8-16%. 1/5th of 1/10th is 2%. So absolute frickin probably way over generous max of 2% with a decent possibility of it being well under 1%.

So what is the error range? They’re usually above that.

 

[iVapeDIY]

I’m not saying you’re necessarily totally wrong, but attempting to lump the two groups together was clearly stupid.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Emotional outbursts won't increase an argument's credibility.

A lab in Cincinnati is testing hundreds of vaping products, seeking links to lung disease

The lab is testing the cartridges​

This data point (unless proven otherwise) indicates 100% of cases involve cartridges. Until CDC reveals more, that is the data we have.

 

[iVapeDIY]

The probability of up to 20% (out of the 1000+ cases) nicotine only users getting sick at the same time, across the US, from just vaping typical e-juice is near impossible. In fact, I would say it is impossible. Something triggered the illness. Either the patients are lying, the CDC hasn’t got a damn clue and is not giving us the full details, or a bit of both.

Inflammation and lipoid pnuemonia (sulfactant accumulation) are key indicators so far; the former usually associated with allergic or toxic reactions.

Scientists chase cause of mysterious vaping illness as death toll rises

There are reasons to be sceptical of those results, says Kevin Davidson, a pulmonologist at WakeMed, a hospital system based in Raleigh, North Carolina. He says that Larsen looked for signs of disease that would be apparent only if someone had inhaled a large amount of oil all at once, not small amounts over time.

The scientists traced the build-up to the breakdown of pulmonary surfactant, a lipid-rich compound produced by the lungs. Kheradmand says this suggests that vaping damages cells that line airways and help to maintain surfactant levels.

Steven Rowe, a pulmonologist at the University of Alabama, Birmingham, hopes to test suspected culprits using ferrets, to learn how vaping affects ion transport in human lung cells. And Quan Lu, a lung biologist at the Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, is planning an experiment to look at what genes are switched on or off in lung cells taken from vapers. He hopes to get tissue samples from those who have become ill.

But Kheradmand cautions against hoping for quick answers: her initial mouse study took three and a half years to complete.

“Science will win at some point,” says Albert Rizzo, chief medical officer at the American Lung Association in Chicago, Illinois. “But I don’t think it’s going to be as soon as people would like.”​

In anycase, we won't get more definitive research for another 3-4 years.

 

[AttyPops]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Emotional outbursts won't increase an argument's credibility.

A lab in Cincinnati is testing hundreds of vaping products, seeking links to lung disease

The lab is testing the cartridges​

This data point (unless proven otherwise) indicates 100% of cases involve cartridges. Until CDC reveals more, that is the data we have.

I'm not sure I read it the same way....IDK that it's 100% carts.

 

[bombastinator]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Emotional outbursts won't increase an argument's credibility.

tsk, tsk. Attempting to discount an argument based on accusations of emotionality are equally bad. facts remain facts. How about “disengenuous” and “scientifically flawed”. Those are equally accurate.

A lab in Cincinnati is testing hundreds of vaping products, seeking links to lung disease

The lab is testing the cartridges​

This data point (unless proven otherwise) indicates 100% of cases involve cartridges. Until CDC reveals more, that is the data we have.

 

[NavyNut]

Two new cases in new-Brunswick.

 

[bombastinator]

Two new cases in new-Brunswick.

Got deets?

 

[mmsjs5]

?....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/vaping-illness-health-new-brunswick-1.5317710

 

[bombastinator]

?....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/vaping-illness-health-new-brunswick-1.5317710

Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks

So there are almost none, with no known persitent injury, no names, ages, or any details at all. It’s only “probable linkage” which could mean anything.

 

[iVapeDIY]

The Canadian Vaping Association responds to BC's first potential vaping-related illness

The CVA welcomes Health Minister Dix's proposal to review the regulations to address youth uptake, limit the concentration of nicotine, and restrict the sales of vaping products to adult-only environments. The recent ban on advertising on city property in Richmond, B.C. demonstrates a step in the right direction in developing a prescriptive plan to address youth uptake and youth access to these products.

The increase in youth uptake of nicotine e-liquid has occurred since big tobacco vape brands, such as Juul and Vype, entered into non-age restricted retail locations, including gas stations and convenience stores in mid-2018.

Health agencies clearly described in their media reports on September 19, 2019 that youth uptake among 16 to 19 year olds climbed 74 per cent from 2017 to 2018. This data undoubtedly demonstrates that flavours, which have been around for well over a decade, are not the contributing factor to youth uptake but that youth access to vape products through non-adult verified retail locations are the true driver for this issue. In fact, the sale of flavours in Canada is limited by the labeling laws under the Tobacco and Vaping Product Act, enacted in May 2018.

"We have been calling on all federal, provincial and territorial governments to ban the sale of nicotine e-liquid vape products and all visible vape product marketing outside of adult-only access environments immediately. Limiting the sale of flavoured e-liquid vape products to age restricted retail environments, which are regulated and inspected by tobacco enforcement, is something we believe in strongly and has been a key message in our recommendations to Health Canada for addressing youth uptake," added Tempest.

The CVA has also called on the Federal Government to add the following restrictions into regulation to provide further protections, with the specific intent of addressing youth uptake:

1. Display and promotion in retail environments should be restricted to age of majority retail stores
2. National and brand specific advertising should be banned
3. Mandating e-commerce and online sales must be delivered via an age verification platform, such as the one currently available through Canada Post

At Federal level, ...

Health Canada considers allowing e-cigarette companies to promote harm-reduction benefits

The proposed promotional statements include “Switching completely from smoking to e-cigarettes will reduce harms to your health,” and “If you are a smoker, switching completely to vaping is a much less harmful option.”​

 

[iVapeDIY]

Ontario Is Banning Vaping Ads After Multiple Deaths Have Been Linked In The U.S.

The ban will not only include convenience stores, but gas stations as well, and it isn't stopping there. The City of Toronto will be enforcing a new bylaw in April 2020, which will require stores to apply for a license in order to be able to sell vaping products, according to CTV News.

Toronto's license fee to sell vaping products will be $645, with an annual renewal fee of $315. Hamilton and London already have bylaws that enforce fees to clerks who sell vapes. There are more than 1,400 known retailers in Toronto who sell these products, according to CTV News.

Vaping ads will still be allowed in specialty stores, such as cannabis retail stores, where customers must be at least 19 years of age to enter, according to a news release.​

More links ...

• Ontario to ban vaping ads at convenience stores, gas stations
• Ontario to ban vaping ads in convenience stores and gas stations
• https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vaping-ads-1.5334889

 

[bombastinator]

Ontario Is Banning Vaping Ads After Multiple Deaths Have Been Linked In The U.S.

The ban will not only include convenience stores, but gas stations as well, and it isn't stopping there. The City of Toronto will be enforcing a new bylaw in April 2020, which will require stores to apply for a license in order to be able to sell vaping products, according to CTV News.

Toronto's license fee to sell vaping products will be $645, with an annual renewal fee of $315. Hamilton and London already have bylaws that enforce fees to clerks who sell vapes. There are more than 1,400 known retailers in Toronto who sell these products, according to CTV News.

Vaping ads will still be allowed in specialty stores, such as cannabis retail stores, where customers must be at least 19 years of age to enter, according to a news release.​

More links ...

• Ontario to ban vaping ads at convenience stores, gas stations
• Ontario to ban vaping ads in convenience stores and gas stations
• https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vaping-ads-1.5334889

Sounds from the description to be the same as my state already has had for some time, more or less. No FDA deeming though Canada May have something different.