e-cigs more harmful than good?

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Ez Duzit

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I don't really care what you think, first thing i did was google propylene glycol dangers and found a numerous amount of articles. Which in turn worried me a bit. Anyone with some real positive feedback would be nice.
I googled that exact phrase, "propylene glycol dangers". If you read the whole article, NOTHING comes up that is damning. In my opinion, you are full of crap.
First you say you can't get enough nicotine to satisfy your cravings, then you ask if someone will teach you how to dilute your e-juice. If you can't get enough nicotine, why would you possibly want to dilute it?
You said everything was fine for the first 4 weeks of vaping, but all of a sudden, you can't get enough nic?

Your posts are written in just such a way to stir things up.
This sounds to much like a level, and my ........ detector is beeping and flashing like crazy.

There are to many inconsistencies with your story to be believable. You want info? Stop being a lazy sloth and start reading. Use the advanced search function. All the info you want is somewhere in this forum, but don't expect everyone else to find it for you. You have not made a good first impression.
 
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I googled that exact phrase, "propylene glycol dangers". NOTHING comes up that is damning. In my opinion, you are full of crap.
First you say you can't get enough nicotine to satisfy your cravings, then you ask if someone will teach you how to dilute your e-juice. If you can't get enough nicotine, why would you possibly want to dilute it?
You said everything was fine for the first 4 weeks of vaping, but all of a sudden, you can't get enough nic?

Your posts are written in just such a way to stir things up.
This sounds to much like a level, and my ........ detector is beeping and flashing like crazy.

There are to many inconsistencies with your story to be believable. You want info? Stop being a lazy sloth and start reading. Use the advanced search function. All the info you want is somewhere in this forum, but don't expect everyone else to find it for you. You have not made a good first impression.

Do not put your insecurities onto me, if you think im lying about my experiences, so be it. www(DOT)health-report(DOT)co(DOT)uk/ethylene_glycol_propylene_glycol(DOT)html

This post was not intended to stop being using e-cigs. I am a supporter of e-cigs, i just simply wanted to ask a few questions which i thought this forum was for.

I'm asking how to dilute nicotine. 1. because it enlarges my supply of e-juice 2. i feel that my recreational nicotine use is getting out of hand and should slow down like the other user has told me he has done. 3. because i keep hearing about cutting e-juice and im damn curious.

What is your problem man? I probably should have not used the title that i did, but damn you really have some insecurities in yourself. I mean why do I have to talk or post in a way that YOU personally have to believe me? Why should I do that just for you!? I mean i've got answers out of other people already who do believe my e-cig venture. Why cant you just accept something for what it is?

Just say no to crystal .....
 

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bOOgyman;

I'm just curious...and this is a little off topic--how do you know its nicotine you're craving. I mean, I've smoked a ton of cigarettes in 38-40 years...it wasn't until recently I even know it was supposed to be nicotine I was addicted to.

Well at first I was addicted to being/looking cool so i picked up a cigarette and puffed away when I was 13. I got pretty sick after. As time went on i started getting irritated when i did not smoke and eventually became an addict to cigs like everyone else. I know i'm addicted to nicotine when i first chewed nicotine gum when i was a kid. It felt just how i felt smoking a cig, body wise. mentally, it was some what boring and depressing. Now that i've tried e-cigs and did not have to smoke a cig for 4 weeks straight (unless i was drunk with friends who all smoked on the weekends) i am now positive it was nicotine i've been craving all those years. plus when i grew up as a kid we were more educated on the contents of cigs and drugs compared to you when you were growing up while it was sophisticated and fasionable. (i'm assuming you're over 40 yrs old, correct me if i'm wrong) sorry for the long response. zzz
 

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.......mit, boogywhatever... if you're a week over 15 your parents should be ashamed.
I'm actually 23 years old year of the tiger 1986 of july. Yeah smoking at an early age is pretty shameful, although i had easy access to them in the household. Btw don't talk about my parents or family as if you know who they are. If anyone should be shameful it should be guys like you who misinform and mislead people in your beliefs.
 

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I'm actually 23 years old year of the tiger 1986 of july. Yeah smoking at an early age is pretty shameful, although i had easy access to them in the household. Btw don't talk about my parents or family as if you know who they are. If anyone should be shameful it should be guys like you who misinform and mislead people in your beliefs.

You must have terrible ADD to form a sentence such as "I'm actually 23 years old year of the tiger 1986 of july."

1: who cares if its the year of the tiger.
2: My point was you're acting so immature that if you were above 15 your parents should be ashamed for raising you horribly
3: I can talk about who I want, how I want.
4: How did I mislead or Misinform? I stated no beliefs or actual information in my post.
5: I didn't actually talk about your parents; I merely made a generalised statement about you. :rolleyes:
 

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sigh.

simple answer.

visit the supporting suppliers section, order from one of them.

next, go to the DIY section and read all the hundreds of posts about "diluting ejuice" there.

next, search for "propylene" in this forum and see what you find.

next, don't associate ethylene glycol and the internet with propylene glycol and pv's. big difference in ethylene glycol and propylene glycol.

also, be concerned with teh 4000 chemicals in real cigs, not propylene glycol, since PG is also in real cigs.

next...
 

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Yo b00gy, did you ever get those 100 kits you wanted in your first post?

Nah I decided not to since i would have a flood of calls asking for replacement parts from friends/associates. Joyetech's rep told me parts last usually 3-6 weeks. Plus i was quoated at like 20 dollars per starter kit for a 100. i wouldnt have made that much $ unless i sold everything from e-juices, parts etc...

Like i said earlier, i'm a supporter of e-cigs and i see e-cigs as something revolutionary. I wish I had more money to invest though.
 

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after reading this entire thread i'm convinced of a few things


boogey is trying to get help

and most of you people replying are pathetic looking for an opportunity to bash someone who may be misinformed

boogey - there is a chance you crave something in cigs/vapor other than the nic itself

for me i can vape 0 nicotine and get the same sensation of vaping 11-18mg (although i cut my stuff down dramatically since im weening myself off)

alot of it is placebo

i smoked 1.5 packs a day for over 6 years, i'm 24 - born july 1985 (go cancer)

it used to take me a while to smoke a cig, now i can clear a newport from light to filter in about 2 puffs

vaping is far more addicting to me than smoking - and im sure its the habit of repetition not the nicotine content

i can offer you this advice, try not to smoke unless needed and add a bit of caffeine to your diet to increase heartrate and brain stimulation (it works similarly to nicotine and can help via placebo)

dont ever smoke your liquid again unless you want a painful death

i use blu btw, form the site not the mall, and i love it :p

also if you want to cut your nicotine in any way its a simple procedure

1ml of 18 mg juice + 1ml of vg/pg = 2mls of 9mg juice

if you add non nic liquid equal to the original the content is dropped by half (standardized effect)

let me know if u need any other help


the rest of you...

shame on you for jumping on eachothers bandwagons because someone was misunderstood... reread this whole thread - boogey was quite civil in defending himself - most of you don't seem to understand what civil is


i'm a complete @$$hole - and even i can understand these things

godbless
 

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You must have terrible ADD to form a sentence such as "I'm actually 23 years old year of the tiger 1986 of july."

1: who cares if its the year of the tiger.
2: My point was you're acting so immature that if you were above 15 your parents should be ashamed for raising you horribly
3: I can talk about who I want, how I want.
4: How did I mislead or Misinform? I stated no beliefs or actual information in my post.
5: I didn't actually talk about your parents; I merely made a generalised statement about you. :rolleyes:

You're arrogant and childish. You make accusations with no factual information. You are what I call a "donkey". I dont want to argue with you, waste of time. Btw I can also "talk about who I want, how I want" as well. I start off respectful though untill i'm disrespected, obviously you can't comprehend that though.
 

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sigh.

simple answer.

visit the supporting suppliers section, order from one of them.

next, go to the DIY section and read all the hundreds of posts about "diluting ejuice" there.

next, search for "propylene" in this forum and see what you find.

next, don't associate ethylene glycol and the internet with propylene glycol and pv's. big difference in ethylene glycol and propylene glycol.

also, be concerned with teh 4000 chemicals in real cigs, not propylene glycol, since PG is also in real cigs.

next...

Finally, Thank you! You're probably one of the handful of people on this forum who is actually doing something to make this online community a more positive productive website.
 

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after reading this entire thread i'm convinced of a few things


boogey is trying to get help

and most of you people replying are pathetic looking for an opportunity to bash someone who may be misinformed

boogey - there is a chance you crave something in cigs/vapor other than the nic itself

for me i can vape 0 nicotine and get the same sensation of vaping 11-18mg (although i cut my stuff down dramatically since im weening myself off)

alot of it is placebo

i smoked 1.5 packs a day for over 6 years, i'm 24 - born july 1985 (go cancer)

it used to take me a while to smoke a cig, now i can clear a newport from light to filter in about 2 puffs

vaping is far more addicting to me than smoking - and im sure its the habit of repetition not the nicotine content

i can offer you this advice, try not to smoke unless needed and add a bit of caffeine to your diet to increase heartrate and brain stimulation (it works similarly to nicotine and can help via placebo)

dont ever smoke your liquid again unless you want a painful death

i use blu btw, form the site not the mall, and i love it :p

also if you want to cut your nicotine in any way its a simple procedure

1ml of 18 mg juice + 1ml of vg/pg = 2mls of 9mg juice

if you add non nic liquid equal to the original the content is dropped by half (standardized effect)

let me know if u need any other help


the rest of you...

shame on you for jumping on eachothers bandwagons because someone was misunderstood... reread this whole thread - boogey was quite civil in defending himself - most of you don't seem to understand what civil is


i'm a complete @$$hole - and even i can understand these things

godbless

Wow, I really appreciate the raw information you have given me. You're 100% on point of how I feel withdraw wise. It could be a partial placebo affect. I remember smoking my first 100 yesterday in weeks and within seconds it was almost out. I was like wtfff.. haha. Anyways, I will try the caffeine method and see how that pans out. I will also look for VG to dilute my nicotine with. I appreciate all the advice and information from everyone. Thank you.

PS: Can't wait for my package to get here so i can go back to vaping with my new flavors. Good night
 

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sigh.

simple answer.

visit the supporting suppliers section, order from one of them.

next, go to the DIY section and read all the hundreds of posts about "diluting ejuice" there.

next, search for "propylene" in this forum and see what you find.

next, don't associate ethylene glycol and the internet with propylene glycol and pv's. big difference in ethylene glycol and propylene glycol.

also, be concerned with teh 4000 chemicals in real cigs, not propylene glycol, since PG is also in real cigs.

next...

Flitz did you get a PM or something saying how slim and gorgeous you are so you did this? ;)
 

Kurt

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Boogy-

Ok, my apologies for perhaps misreading your OP. I am more inclined now to believe you are for real, and not trolling. Try to realize, however, that we are a generally helpful group, but also a jittery group. For probably most of us our only hope of finally becoming smoke-free is under considerable threat from the powers that be. There are many well-funded and vested interests trying to shut this whole industry down in the US. this is an open forum, but this whole culture is very uncertain of its future, and we are constantly anticipating another crazy and stupid attack. We have certainly had trolls here, and possibly worse, trying to divide and scare us. So when we are suspicious initially because things are stated in what we perceive is a strange manner, and details do not go along with patterns of the majority here, try not to think of it as attacking you, but rather simply security. Fact: many people pay attention to this board for malevolent reasons. Indeed, you should HOPE that we would be suspicious of strangers that come across initially as trouble, regardless of your actual intentions, which I now think are innocent. But this doesn't detract from the discomfort you likely felt. there are a lot of similar boards out there, although few better than ECF, and you could have just said f-you and gone off elsewhere to get info...but you didn't, and you offered information, and were polite and very civil...and some of us could cut back on the nic and try not to be so cranky. Suspicious is fine, but being insulting is not.

So welcome! :) Read, search, learn, ask when its confusing, help others when you can, but realize you are being watched, and not just by us, and not always for the same reasons or the same ends. people here can be pretty jumpy, largely because of where they are psychologically and physically. Vaping does not replace all of smoking, and there is more chemical and physical addiction to analogs than just nicotine. Most of us are extremely happy to have either quit or rapidly reduce our tobacco habit, but we also find ourselves in a very new, very different, very wonderful, and very threatened place, and we are therefore a very protective bunch. There will always be the vague one-liner off-the-cuff people...seems to be ubiquitous to all forums.

As for PG, I personally do not like the stuff a lot. I don't like how it makes me feel, sort of headachy and stuffy, and I know that anything the gives a response like those in the short term is likely not good for the long term, so I prefer VG only vaping. I find it to be a cleaner vape that allows more flavor in mixes, and lots of great vapor. And in general people are more likely to have negative reactions to PG than to VG.

With respect to mixing your own, which I highly recommend, not just for the great juices you can make, but it keeps you physically involved and not smoking, I would recommend Ritalee's vid

YouTube - Custom E-Liquid With Lorann Flavorings

There is also a spreadsheet available, although I don't recall the creator of it:


(Hope it attached!)

Much info here, many differing opinions, lots of tips. Immerse in it all for a bit. There is much to be found here.

Peace
Kurt
 

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Boogy-

Ok, my apologies for perhaps misreading your OP. I am more inclined now to believe you are for real, and not trolling. Try to realize, however, that we are a generally helpful group, but also a jittery group. For probably most of us our only hope of finally becoming smoke-free is under considerable threat from the powers that be. There are many well-funded and vested interests trying to shut this whole industry down in the US. this is an open forum, but this whole culture is very uncertain of its future, and we are constantly anticipating another crazy and stupid attack. We have certainly had trolls here, and possibly worse, trying to divide and scare us. So when we are suspicious initially because things are stated in what we perceive is a strange manner, and details do not go along with patterns of the majority here, try not to think of it as attacking you, but rather simply security. Fact: many people pay attention to this board for malevolent reasons. Indeed, you should HOPE that we would be suspicious of strangers that come across initially as trouble, regardless of your actual intentions, which I now think are innocent. But this doesn't detract from the discomfort you likely felt. there are a lot of similar boards out there, although few better than ECF, and you could have just said f-you and gone off elsewhere to get info...but you didn't, and you offered information, and were polite and very civil...and some of us could cut back on the nic and try not to be so cranky. Suspicious is fine, but being insulting is not.

So welcome! :) Read, search, learn, ask when its confusing, help others when you can, but realize you are being watched, and not just by us, and not always for the same reasons or the same ends. people here can be pretty jumpy, largely because of where they are psychologically and physically. Vaping does not replace all of smoking, and there is more chemical and physical addiction to analogs than just nicotine. Most of us are extremely happy to have either quit or rapidly reduce our tobacco habit, but we also find ourselves in a very new, very different, very wonderful, and very threatened place, and we are therefore a very protective bunch. There will always be the vague one-liner off-the-cuff people...seems to be ubiquitous to all forums.

As for PG, I personally do not like the stuff a lot. I don't like how it makes me feel, sort of headachy and stuffy, and I know that anything the gives a response like those in the short term is likely not good for the long term, so I prefer VG only vaping. I find it to be a cleaner vape that allows more flavor in mixes, and lots of great vapor. And in general people are more likely to have negative reactions to PG than to VG.

With respect to mixing your own, which I highly recommend, not just for the great juices you can make, but it keeps you physically involved and not smoking, I would recommend Ritalee's vid

YouTube - Custom E-Liquid With Lorann Flavorings

There is also a spreadsheet available, although I don't recall the creator of it:


(Hope it attached!)

Much info here, many differing opinions, lots of tips. Immerse in it all for a bit. There is much to be found here.

Peace
Kurt

Great info, easy to understand DIY video.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to help me out. I fully understand what you were mentioning earlier on how the FDA and other lobbyists are trying to abolish our recreational vap use. It's understandable if some of the members to felt like I was a threat, but I'm glad we've cleared things up, at least with you.

I do have one question though... I have about 150ml of 24mg e-juice coming from overseas Heaven-Gifts.com (lowest price thus far) and I believe they are all PG based. If I were obtain VG and mix it with this PG based e-juice would that ruin the batch in any way? I know i should stick with PG with PG, but VG is something I would like to implement immediately. Thanks in advance.
 

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definately use VG if you want your vapor production to visibly increase

i almost crapped myself when i first tried VG - it really made vaping more like cigs, but make sure you dont overuse it in the mix just to keep the atomizer from gunking up.

i use about nic liquid 30% PG 35% and VG 35% for an excellent vape
 
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