E-Cigs vs Health Insurance?

[Chasm]

--- I think this is worth a new thread ---

Have I got this right?

40,000 people die each year because they don't have health insurance.

440,000 people die each year from smoking related issues (11 times as many).

So instead of giving the green light to encourage switching from smoking to vaping, our great leaders are going to tax & regulate e-cigs out of existence.

Are they really willing to sentence 11 people to death while they crow about saving 1?

WTF are they thinking?

 

[CaptJay]

Because they ('the powers that be' we shall call them as this is bi-partisan and not 'just democrats' or 'only republicans') don't want people giving up smoking - despite the hyperbole about how bad it is and not letting you smoke any place that isn't outside or in a trash dump someplace. If we all gave up as they claim they want us to they'd have to tax people more in general (never a vote winner).
We, smokers, and by extension our lives, are the collateral damage in the war on keeping other voters happy.

 

[Kent C]

Chasm--- I think this is worth a new thread ---

Have I got this right?

40,000 people die each year because they don't have health insurance.

No, not because they don't have health insurance. Just that they didn't have any. Almost all get some type of healthcare though, hospitals can't refuse them.

And if only 40,000 people die without health insurance, then a heck of a lot more die WITH health insurance. It might behoove people NOT to get health insurance. lol. The logic sucks just as much as their claim does.

If you came here from another planet and only observed people drinking soda pop, you'd have to conclude the diet soda makes people fat.

440,000 people die each year from smoking related issues (11 times as many).

If you have smoked just 100 cigarettes when you were 12 and none after that, and you die at the age of 105 from any circulatory problem, respiratory problem or just say your heart gives out - your death is entered into the statistics as a 'smoking related death'.

So instead of giving the green light to encourage switching from smoking to vaping, our great leaders are going to tax & regulate e-cigs out of existence.

Are they really willing to sentence 11 people to death while they crow about saving 1?

Yes.

WTF are they thinking?

About how to control your life. Get it??

 

[shatner]

Healthcare is a huge money maker for our govenment. Why would they want you to be healthy? The sad and ....ed up truth is that they don't. Watch "Sicko" on youtube.

 

[quasimod]

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Are they really willing to sentence 11 people to death while they crow about saving 1?
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Welcome to America! I hope you enjoy your vacation, and get a chance to see some of the sights!

 

[ecitek]

Wow. BINGO, KentC.

The government is not there to protect you - the fact is that they get by doing the exact opposite because people are willing to fall under the power of good slogans, sparkly advertising and the fact that if a lie is repeated enough, it becomes the truth.

Sad.

At least you can tell the insurance companies that you are a non-smoker!

 

[Kent C]

Wow. BINGO, KentC.

The government is not there to protect you - the fact is that they get by doing the exact opposite because people are willing to fall under the power of good slogans, sparkly advertising and the fact that if a lie is repeated enough, it becomes the truth.

Sad.

At least you can tell the insurance companies that you are a non-smoker!

Sad indeed. If this crap goes through and it looks like it will, I'm tempted to tell them I'm a smoker just to see if they'll cancel my insurance because certain 'behaviors' won't be tolerated - smoking, perhaps drinking, trans fats, overweight, etc., etc. etc. because now you will be 'harming others - the People's Republic' that pay for your insurance. Doctors may be forced to snitch on their patients with fear or penalty if they don't. Doctor's staff may snitch on the Doctor. Watch Zhivago (again) and ignore the love story.

 

[quasimod]

[...]Watch Zhivago (again) and ignore the love story.

THAT is a very astute and pertinent observation, in my opinion. The problem is that the very idea that U.S. can and is sliding towards some kind of collectivist nightmare has been ridiculed so often that it has entered American consciousness as nothing more than evidence of right-wing hysteria. It is discounted out of hand.

Also, for any of you that like to read non-fiction, The Gulag Archipelago comes highly recommended as one of the most important works to document the "other" great holocaust of the 20th Century. In fact, it is now required reading in Russian high-schools. I've been on the look-out for a copy for the last couple of years without much luck, so I suppose I'll just have to order it online. ~20 million people were murdered, the least I can do is read the damned book.

 

[Kent C]

quasimod:THAT is a very astute and pertinent observation, in my opinion. The problem is that the very idea that U.S. can and is sliding towards some kind of collectivist nightmare has been ridiculed so often that it has entered American consciousness as nothing more than evidence of right-wing hysteria. It is discounted out of hand.

Ridiculed by whom? Gov't controlled media? Lapdogs don't like people messing with their masters.

Discounted out of hand by whom? College professors whose jobs rely on collectivist concepts? Union leaders? Yeah. But not the rank and file.

And the idea that a 'change' was coming in Russia was also ridiculed by some, but not for long. Also in Shanghai - the idea of change was dismissed, almost up until the day everyone had to flee. And then there's 'Peace in our Time'.

Also, for any of you that like to read non-fiction, The Gulag Archipelago comes highly recommended as one of the most important works to document the "other" great holocaust of the 20th Century. In fact, it is now required reading in Russian high-schools. I've been on the look-out for a copy for the last couple of years without much luck, so I suppose I'll just have to order it online. ~20 million people were murdered, the least I can do is read the damned book.

It is. And the Venona papers... takes away many of the shillelaghs the socialists have been using against any criticism - McCarthyism, Rosenbergs, etc.

 

[sherid]

Chasm--- I think this is worth a new thread ---

If you have smoked just 100 cigarettes when you were 12 and none after that, and you die at the age of 105 from any circulatory problem, respiratory problem or just say your heart gives out - your death is entered into the statistics as a 'smoking related death'.

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Therein lies the reason why I do not believe much if anything that anti-smokers say. Imagine smoking five packs of cigarettes when you were fifteen, never smoking again, then dying of pneumonia or a heart attack at 85 and having your death blamed on that time you smoked 5 packs of cigs at 15. What a stretch of credibility that is!!! As time goes on and every day some new disease is attributed to smoking, I believe less and less. Now, following the anti-smokers' logic, nearly anything you may die of at any age all goes back to those 100 cigarettes you smoked during the summer between sophomore and junior year of high school. The really incredible thing is that so few people actually think through this doublespeak nonsense.

 

[taz3cat]

--- I think this is worth a new thread ---

Have I got this right?

40,000 people die each year because they don't have health insurance.

440,000 people die each year from smoking related issues (11 times as many).

So instead of giving the green light to encourage switching from smoking to vaping, our great leaders are going to tax & regulate e-cigs out of existence.

Are they really willing to sentence 11 people to death while they crow about saving 1?

WTF are they thinking?

They are thinking as soon as the anti nicotine Vaccine is available they will force all the smokers to take it, It at the present time doesn't work very good and you need to use patches with or something with it but, they don't care about that either. Millions of dollars for something that barley works and probably government financed. So they can nanny us to the grave, nervous break downs, bad drug reactions and generally miserable life.

 

[me who]

Ridiculed by whom? Gov't controlled media? Lapdogs don't like people messing with their masters.

Nice post Kent

 

[Kent C]

Therein lies the reason why I do not believe much if anything that anti-smokers say. Imagine smoking five packs of cigarettes when you were fifteen, never smoking again, then dying of pneumonia or a heart attack at 85 and having your death blamed on that time you smoked 5 packs of cigs at 15. What a stretch of credibility that is!!! As time goes on and every day some new disease is attributed to smoking, I believe less and less. Now, following the anti-smokers' logic, nearly anything you may die of at any age all goes back to those 100 cigarettes you smoked during the summer between sophomore and junior year of high school. The really incredible thing is that so few people actually think through this doublespeak nonsense.

And that is not as bad as the original meta study that the EPA did on second hand smoke. - see your Mark Twain quote. They didn't have the right conclusion with the original epidemiological studies, so they just jiggered the statistical standards to get the number they needed to go to press release. One study, btw, found that there was an 'inoculative effect' - where non-smoking spouses of smokers had LESS incidences of respiratory illness. That one was thrown out by Carol Browner - EPA chief then, now the Global Warming Czar. Only 2 of the 13 studies done showed any statistical significance - and then only slight. For the others, there was no link between respiratory illness and second hand smoke.

But put them together and change a few standards and you get smoking bans, a new illness called 'smoke allergy' and little leper colonies known as "smoking designated areas", all because 'political science' was used instead of science.

 

[ecitek]

....That one was thrown out by Carol Browner - EPA chief then, now the Global Warming Czar...

GLOBAL WARMING...