E-Juice Manufacturing Safety

[patkin]

ejuice is a "prepared" product. Do you know what's in that hotdog, hamburger, pizza crust, pepperoni, chicken fried steak or chocolate cake? How many fillers, flavorings or food coloring is in any of them? How about that coffee "creamer" or salad dressing? Ever ask the food server for a list of ingredients for what's on your plate? Think they know? Step over to USA-made Loranns or Capella... find a list of what's in the flavoring? I buy Chinese flavorings and whenever I've had a question about contents due to allergies, the vendor has a list of what's in it and told me yea or nay on what I need to stay away from. Whereas, asking a vendor for ingredients in the flavorings they use made in the USA, they don't know. I got a USA-made "sucralose" sweetener that had asparatame in it and the only way I know that is from the allergic reaction I had. Just sayin... you can micro-regulate but, if its a "prepared" item, you won't know what's in it whether you're eating/drinking it or vaping it. For me, at least the Chinese give the vendor a list of ingredients. But, still, the only safe way is to make your own flavoring from raw ingredients and use them to make your own juice and that won't be 100% safe either considering pesticides.

 

[BillyTheWild]

A few have gone so far as to make vids, one guy has even visited a couple of the places. As to the why it could be a problem to give out recipes and other info to aemsa, is keep in mind, aemsa has NO official standing anywhere, they are other juice makers, nothing more. So just as you don't know if people are telling the truth on where they mix, why should mixers believe if they give their recipes over to other mixers they won't be used?

Nancy, first of all, I am not talking about AEMSA per se. I don't know how they run the organization. I am just saying "A" trade organization like that may help vapers. In term of the fear of the trade secrets being compromised, there is this fear when you join every trade organization. But it doesn't have to be so. The trade organization can hire chemists and pharmacists to analysis the e-juices to certify that, among other things, a) they don't contain any know harmful substance, b) they use ingredients that the makers claim they use, c) the facility meets sanitary standards. All these can be done w/o revealing the recipes to other members in the organization.

Ejuice is a "prepared" product. Do you know what's in that hotdog, hamburger, pizza crust, pepperoni, chicken fried steak or chocolate cake? How many fillers, flavorings or food coloring is in any of them? How about that coffee "creamer" or salad dressing?

patkin, I hear you and you have a point. But still, there is a difference. I may not know exactly what's in the food I eat, but at least I know there are procedures and policies in place to safe guide me - not 100%, but at least there are some degrees of protections. Like, a hotdog factory will be examined by the authority every so often to make sure the place is not a pigsty. Like, samples of hot dogs are required to submit for examinations, etc., etc. i don't know whether "commercial" e-juice factories in the US are already subjected to these "regulations" or not. But the individual, "home based" mixologists are not. So, this is a little more worrisome.

I am NOT advocating for government regulations ... well, we all know how that goes, a lot of times. That's why I AM advocating for a reputable trade organization to do the job. Make sense?

 

[patkin]

Nancy, first of all, I am not talking about AEMSA per se. I don't know how they run the organization. I am just saying "A" trade organization like that may help vapers. In term of the fear of the trade secrets being compromised, there is this fear when you join every trade organization. But it doesn't have to be so. The trade organization can hire chemists and pharmacists to analysis the e-juices to certify that, among other things, a) they don't contain any know harmful substance, b) they use ingredients that the makers claim they use, c) the facility meets sanitary standards. All these can be done w/o revealing the recipes to other members in the organization.

This is already done to a large extent by the FDA. All the imported and domestic injestable/consumable-product ingredients must be USDA. As for research/labs check out Aroma Ejuice in Scottsdale Arizona which, living in Arizona, I happen to be familiar with. Writeups and pictures of their lab are on the net. Also, facility inspections vary State-to-State. Wizard labs had a huge delay in deliveries when the moved to Florida. The hold up was awaiting State inspection of their lab.

 

[Racehorse]

Ejuice is a "prepared" product. Do you know what's in that hotdog, hamburger, pizza crust, pepperoni, chicken fried steak or chocolate cake?

you're talking to somebody who doesn't eat processed food for precisely these reasons. bleieve it or not, there are lots of us.

if its a "prepared" item, you won't know what's in it whether you're eating/drinking it or vaping it.

You nailed it patkin.

After seeing many photos of the Dekang laboratory, I have absolutely no qualms about vaping anything from there. Everyone is in clean suits, the entire machinery is stainless steel, the floors look like polished airplane hanger floors.......immaculate.

But there is a huge number of ECF vendors I truly trust and those are the ones I use so I don't worry much about it these days. I made my inquiries, and got the answers I wanted. If I don't get the answers I need then there are so many great vendors to choose from these days, right?

If I want a certain taste or flavor they don't carry, then I try to DIY it myself.

As for joining AEMSA, I see no downside at all. In group, a trade org can make lab testing, etc. more affordable, just as when we buy insurance we go in as a group. I like their mission statement, etc. ... what's not to like?

I also happen to believe that while competition has it's place, so does sharing and cross-pollination. I also believe that one day, ejuice vendors will regret that they did not band together ....the day will come when they need to stand united, and instead, they will all be standing alone.

Did anyone read at the site? I believe that their goals, as stated, are quite admirable. ????

 

[BillyTheWild]

I just think that the more and better a industry organization does to set standards and specifications, like certifying products and facilities, among other things, the less likely, hopefully, the gov't may want to stick its nose in it ... or least not as eagerly. I think it'll be good for all of us vapers.